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ogatec
its cool going back to the 1st page in this thread.. you have come along way as a grower in 2-3 short months! 
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Don Cotyle
How ya been SoEx? Unless they are a self flowering strain you'll need to go 12/12, then look for pre flowers at about 2 weeks. Nice close-up shots, to me they look like Guard Hairs not sexual parts of the plant. When you get into 12/12 you'll see the difference. MK and LS are both looking great, keep up the good work!!!!!
Don Cotyle said:
Ah, yeah, I didn't expect to be able to tell anything for sure until switching to 12/12.
Anyhow, I'm kind of still unsure on what to do. I think it's going to end up that I'll take 3 clones from the plants, top, and keep them in veg for another 3 weeks still after installing a SCROG and trying to train them in. Once that happens I can switch both the 7 seedlings and the 2 big plants into flower, and once I determine sexes I can move whatever females there are from the seedlings to the flower chamber.
But that makes me have to grow the master kush/lemon stinky for another 3 weeks when they're already fuckin' huge. They're only at 750 ppm at the moment. I need to try to slowly bring the seedlings up so that when they are ready to transplant they can handle the PPMs of the big DWC bucket.
Anyhow, I'm probably going to put up another thread in a bit asking what would be a good idea/what options I have. If I can continue using grow nutrients a few weeks into flower then maybe I could switch the big plants to flower in a week or so, then try to bring the PPM up on the seedlings over two weeks. Then, once the seedlings are a bit bigger and about where the other plants are in terms of nutrient needs, I could switch to flower and merge them. Then the master kush/lemon stinky would have a 2 week head start on the other plants and would be harvested sooner. But anyway, I'm not sure of what I'm going to do.
Thanks for still coming around, Don. Thanks for the kind words, Ogatech
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ogatec
just remember that a 250 is a small footprint light. i'm not knocking it in anyway, its a great starter light that if you wanted to uprade in the future you could still use it as a veg.
that being said if you look @ the numbers, you have plenty to flower already.
i come up with these numbers while thinking about it....
the optimal area for a 1000w bulb is around a 4x4 area, so divide that by 4 and you are looking @ a 1x1(!) area for a 250w OPTIMAL lighting. you can probibly get away with 1.5x1.5 & still be in the good range. if you try to light an area bigger than this during flowering you will still harvest well but your bud quality will decline exponentially with increasing area.
so if your trying to fit 2 large plants that could atleast double or triple in size+ all those others you will soon run out of good room.
another idea is to start flowering now, then put the seedlings in f a couplt of weeks later for a staggered harvest. that way all the plants wont require optimal lighting at the same time & you can put the seedlings around the outside of the light.(plus you can reap the rewards of all your hard work.)
that being said if you look @ the numbers, you have plenty to flower already.
i come up with these numbers while thinking about it....
the optimal area for a 1000w bulb is around a 4x4 area, so divide that by 4 and you are looking @ a 1x1(!) area for a 250w OPTIMAL lighting. you can probibly get away with 1.5x1.5 & still be in the good range. if you try to light an area bigger than this during flowering you will still harvest well but your bud quality will decline exponentially with increasing area.
so if your trying to fit 2 large plants that could atleast double or triple in size+ all those others you will soon run out of good room.
another idea is to start flowering now, then put the seedlings in f a couplt of weeks later for a staggered harvest. that way all the plants wont require optimal lighting at the same time & you can put the seedlings around the outside of the light.(plus you can reap the rewards of all your hard work.)
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ogatec
another parimeter to consider is how much "punch" or intensity you have with your light. once again with the numbers-
a 1000w light had about 36" deep of usable light. divide by 4 again for the 250w & we come up with about 9-12" deep of usable light. get your plants much bigger than this & you are wasting veg time, because only the top 9-12" of the plant will have "quality nugs". if you go much taller than this, your plants will become stretchy and the bottoms will be filled with useless popcorn.
just some variables to think about!
a 1000w light had about 36" deep of usable light. divide by 4 again for the 250w & we come up with about 9-12" deep of usable light. get your plants much bigger than this & you are wasting veg time, because only the top 9-12" of the plant will have "quality nugs". if you go much taller than this, your plants will become stretchy and the bottoms will be filled with useless popcorn.
just some variables to think about!
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ogatec said:
I can understand how you came up with those numbers but they are slightly skewd. If your gonna put a 250w in a 1x1 space thats 250w/sqf.... can you say over kill??
I have my 250w in a 2x2 space, 250/4sqf = 62.5w/sqf
With a 1000w in a 4x4 space, 1000/16sqf = 62.5w/sqf
Hope this helps to clear up some confusion for you.
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ogatec
square roots are confusing
square roots are confusing
you are correct... thank for the clarification! i didn't think about that, 250w a sqf would be a little much! so actually you could have around 2.25x2.25 foot area & still be in the optimal range.
& going back & checking the "punch" numbers are correct since we are talking about linear distances and no those darn sqaures.
square roots are confusing
you are correct... thank for the clarification! i didn't think about that, 250w a sqf would be a little much! so actually you could have around 2.25x2.25 foot area & still be in the optimal range.
& going back & checking the "punch" numbers are correct since we are talking about linear distances and no those darn sqaures.
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Phew. I got a bunch of junk done, finally.
The design for the ebb&flow system had a few things I didn't expect and I had to make two of them. The version 1 leaked quite a bit. Version 2 actually does have a few TINY drips, but only on two of them and it drips back into the bucket. I sealed it up with silicon sealant, hopefully it works.
Pictures:
I had to transplant the seedlings from their mini-dwc hell
The hardware store didn't have thinwall PVC so I had to actually take regular 1" PVc and use a hole saw bit to drill it down. I DO NOT recommend this, it was extremely stupid/dangerous. This is where the bottles screw in.
The setup. Lights are a bit bright, sorry you can't really see them well.
Version 1.0 at the top, version 2.0 bottom.
Grapefruit/Dirty Harry:
Dirty Harry/Twisted fruit
Well, anyway. That's it for now.
The damn master kush/lemon stinky plants are getting WAY too freakin' huge. They're growing like mad. I'm thinking I'm going to HAVe to take 3 cuts from each tomorrow, then put them into flower sometime in the next week or so, and install a screen for scrogging. Hopefully the seedlings start to catch up. PPM on the seedlings is @ 250 right now. There is a bit of browning from about a week ago when I added a few hydroton balls underneath the rockwool in the place I started the seedlings -- the PH shot up to 7.4 and the seedlings got a bit unhappy. But since then the ph has stabilized and the new groth seems happy.
Edit: oops, pic of the overall setup:
Edit2: and yeah, I did cover the outside of the 2l soda bottles with lightproof material after the picture.
The design for the ebb&flow system had a few things I didn't expect and I had to make two of them. The version 1 leaked quite a bit. Version 2 actually does have a few TINY drips, but only on two of them and it drips back into the bucket. I sealed it up with silicon sealant, hopefully it works.
Pictures:
I had to transplant the seedlings from their mini-dwc hell
The hardware store didn't have thinwall PVC so I had to actually take regular 1" PVc and use a hole saw bit to drill it down. I DO NOT recommend this, it was extremely stupid/dangerous. This is where the bottles screw in.
The setup. Lights are a bit bright, sorry you can't really see them well.
Version 1.0 at the top, version 2.0 bottom.
Grapefruit/Dirty Harry:
Dirty Harry/Twisted fruit
Well, anyway. That's it for now.
The damn master kush/lemon stinky plants are getting WAY too freakin' huge. They're growing like mad. I'm thinking I'm going to HAVe to take 3 cuts from each tomorrow, then put them into flower sometime in the next week or so, and install a screen for scrogging. Hopefully the seedlings start to catch up. PPM on the seedlings is @ 250 right now. There is a bit of browning from about a week ago when I added a few hydroton balls underneath the rockwool in the place I started the seedlings -- the PH shot up to 7.4 and the seedlings got a bit unhappy. But since then the ph has stabilized and the new groth seems happy.
Edit: oops, pic of the overall setup:
Edit2: and yeah, I did cover the outside of the 2l soda bottles with lightproof material after the picture.
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Eek! Damn plants under the HPS are getting too big too fast. I keep having to move the light up by 1-2 chain links a day :/ Anyway, I took some clones:
I used three different cutting techniques and took 3 clones from each into my bubble cloner.
I really need to figure out what I'm going to do with my big plants now. I took 3 cuts from each, should I put a scrog on and flip the lights to flower? Or should I top them before doing that? Hmph, dunno.
I used three different cutting techniques and took 3 clones from each into my bubble cloner.
I really need to figure out what I'm going to do with my big plants now. I took 3 cuts from each, should I put a scrog on and flip the lights to flower? Or should I top them before doing that? Hmph, dunno.
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ogatec
u would probibly flip & go cause iits really to late to scrog them now. you have to train a scrog as it grows. topping or no topping is up to you
Yay! I'm pretty sure I see two sets of pistils now on the Master Kush plant!
I tried to take some pictures but since it's really crowded in there it's hard to get a nice shot. But I'm 97% sure that I see it as two hairs emerging in a V shape from there.
I still haven't flipped to flower, I'll hopefully do so tomorrow. The seedlings are going strong too. Some pics of the ebb&flow:
I tried to take some pictures but since it's really crowded in there it's hard to get a nice shot. But I'm 97% sure that I see it as two hairs emerging in a V shape from there.
I still haven't flipped to flower, I'll hopefully do so tomorrow. The seedlings are going strong too. Some pics of the ebb&flow:
SoEx said:
"Oh, crap my gardens growing. Now what do I do...?"
From newbie to being grown out of house and home in a matter of weeks. Way to go, dude.
FreezerBoy said:"Oh, crap my gardens growing. Now what do I do...?"
From newbie to being grown out of house and home in a matter of weeks. Way to go, dude.
Haha, probably more indicative of my noobishness is the fact that I'm being overgrown
. Day 1 of flower started on 2/24. Only 8 more weeks to go hopefully, weee.
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Don Cotyle
SoEx said:Yay! I'm pretty sure I see two sets of pistils now on the Master Kush plant!
I tried to take some pictures but since it's really crowded in there it's hard to get a nice shot. But I'm 97% sure that I see it as two hairs emerging in a V shape from there.
I still haven't flipped to flower, I'll hopefully do so tomorrow. The seedlings are going strong too. Some pics of the ebb&flow:
Great job SoEx, ya look like a pro!!! Where did you find plans for that ebb&flow? about 10 years ago when I went from soil to hydro I built one of those pop bottle systems. They work pretty good, but I got tired of cleaning roots out of the pipes and went to a tubbler. They work better with clones and 12/12 from the git go, smaller root mass! Keep up the good work!Don Cotyle said:
I got the plans from eliguil's thread http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=78729
and modified it to fit my area. The seedlings are doing really well, and the scrog I put on is really helping the master kush/lemon stinky. I'm not 100% sure on what I'm going to do here, since the 250W HPS screen is already aklmost full and is a good 2" tall. I was thinking of vegging these seedlings for another month while the HPS flowers for a month, then putting the veg chamber into flower as well for a month, and by that time the plants under the HPS will be done and I can move the female plants from the floros to the HPS to grow out and be ready one month later.
Only problem I can see is transplanting from ebb&flow one month into flower causing a lot of stress to the plants or the plants not developing new roots that dip into the DWC. Also, the ebb&flow plans I am using supposedly suck for flowering due to limited rootspace. I just don't want the things to get clogged, as taking it apart is a major pain for me due to leaks. I mean it's manageable, it's just annoying.
Timing would also be important, since there's a chance the plants just simply won't be done at any given moment.
Blah, I'm just not sure. It'd be nice if I could keep these seedlings small and just veg them for two whole months before I move the females into the flower area.
Edit: Oh, and 2 lemon stinky clones rooted in the bubblecloner.
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Don Cotyle
You could let the LS and MK finish in the flowering room and train the others for yeild. If the veging plants root mass is to large by then to get them into your net pots you could always put them in net pots now before they are to large and set then in the top of of the pop bottles with the hydrotron. When ready to transplant the hydrotron will just fall away from the root mass and just drop the netpot w/root mass into the flowering station. No fuss no muss! The roots will be in the rez and just keep on keeping on!
Hey all.
Got some picture updates. Also: confirmation that the Master Kush is female. Still nothing definitive on the Lemon Stinky :/
Lemon stinky: Sex ???
The ones with pistils up top are the Master Kush. As you can see some of the seedlings have a strong, pretty coloration going.
I think I've decided what I'm going to do with the seedlings. I'm going to veg them out for a couple more weeks to get some good clone material, take clones from them all, then flower the original seedlings. Once I determine sex, I'll get rid of all the male plants and then start growing out the clones. By that point I'll hopefully only have another month of flower to wait and veg the clones with some serious training, then I can move them to the flower chamber.
I included some image of the training I've been doing. After I trained them again today (after I took the picture), all the shoots that were aiming up are back onto the screen again and will hopefully reorient themselves to the light again. The screen is filling up and there are lots of growing shoots exposed to the light. Thankfully, since the addition of the screen, I haven't had to move the light in 4 days or so.
Edit: Oh! And the clones have red on their newly formed roots because I had drawn inside the bubble cloner's bucket with sharpie and forgot to scrape it off. It transferred a bit to the stem/roots, but they seem fine and healthy despite it.
Got some picture updates. Also: confirmation that the Master Kush is female
. Still nothing definitive on the Lemon Stinky :/Lemon stinky: Sex ???
The ones with pistils up top are the Master Kush. As you can see some of the seedlings have a strong, pretty coloration going.
I think I've decided what I'm going to do with the seedlings. I'm going to veg them out for a couple more weeks to get some good clone material, take clones from them all, then flower the original seedlings. Once I determine sex, I'll get rid of all the male plants and then start growing out the clones. By that point I'll hopefully only have another month of flower to wait and veg the clones with some serious training, then I can move them to the flower chamber.
I included some image of the training I've been doing. After I trained them again today (after I took the picture), all the shoots that were aiming up are back onto the screen again and will hopefully reorient themselves to the light again. The screen is filling up and there are lots of growing shoots exposed to the light. Thankfully, since the addition of the screen, I haven't had to move the light in 4 days or so.
Edit: Oh! And the clones have red on their newly formed roots because I had drawn inside the bubble cloner's bucket with sharpie and forgot to scrape it off. It transferred a bit to the stem/roots, but they seem fine and healthy despite it.
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ogatec
dont be afraid to trim out some of that underbrush, othrwise looks very nice!
ogatec said:
I'm planning on trimming whatever remains after stretch is over. The plant is still using those leaves at the bottoms for nutrients I imagine, A few at the very bottom go brown and fall off naturally anyway.
I just really hope I have decent coverage on the screen and that each of these little growing branches turns into a nice, decent bud or starts to form some nice flowers. I'm just worried that they won't stretch/grow too much more and won't produce as much as I'd hope. But if they do stretch out and each of these tips grow I think I should get some decent coverage of the screen, hopefully.
