New sub-forum suggestion...12/12 from seed

[idontgivenames]

this method can be done sucsessfully, and it has been. i reckon the avg yield per plant would be around an ounce though. that's pretty good. say some one has 8 female plants and get's 1/2-2/3 or 3/4 a lb. very realistic. especially if your strains are good yielders. for a personal smoker, that's usually enough to last. assuming you go another 2-3 monthes for the next harvest. in addition to drying and curing, it's an efficient way for some one who only wants enough for him/herself.

 

[Guest]

Youre kidding right....

Unless you are taking an ounce wet....

Otherwise there is no way you are getting an ounce doing 12-12 immediately....

no way... maybe some sativas might do that but not indica dominant plants...

 

[Hal]

No kidding.

I grew Nirvana Northern Lights, typically a short plant even when vegged, and grew it 12/12 as soon as the beans popped above soil. The plants grew to be 12", 16", 17", and 23" in height, shaped like a pole, with basically one big cola (for that size plant). The smallest yielder was the 12 incher....and I got just about an ounce of dried bud from her. Each of the other girls gave me at least an ounce, and largest yield was about 35 grams. It was a total of 72 days from start to finish.

It works. Yields go up considerably if done using sativa dominant plants.

 

[stikky budz]

........But on the other side of the arguement.

The last plant i grew from seed i vegged under 20/4 from "popping the surface" for 35 days..(showed sex at day 31) and flowered for 62 days = total 97 days.
f.y.i it was cross of mine,,, SSH x LU.I..... so 50/50 i guess as for sat/indy dom.

I yielded over 7 1/2 oz from that plant.... more than double anything quoted in a single 12/12 plant.
I was pretty surprised myself by its weight,,,,, "usual" yield for me for that sort of veg time is 3 - 5 oz per plant.
I'm not saying you can expect 7oz each time you veg a plant for 5 weeks and flower it for 9,,ish,,,,, but theres not many going to get nearly 90 g per plant going 12/12 from the start. ( i think the best i ever had was 1 1/2 oz )

Granted the grow took 24 more days,,, but if you were to do a 12/12 grow,,, TWICE,.,,, to get the same yield ,,, 2 x 72 = 144 days.


Thats a lot of wasted time...nearly two months. Dam,,, if you put that extra time into the normal vegging plant, you could be growing monsters.
Allow70 days for flowering and you'd still be vegging for 74 days. I wouldnt like to think what a plant vegged that long could yield... i've never vegged past 5 weeks.
Something to think about.

My hats off to that atmosphere 1 fella. If he said he could make it yield as much over the year as he could growing with a proper veg time, then im not going to argue. How the hell he did it is beyond me though. The figures just dont add up ~ for me.

just my 2c's worth as the thread progresses

 

[JackKerouac]

........But on the other side of the arguement.

The last plant i grew from seed i vegged under 20/4 from "popping the surface" for 35 days..(showed sex at day 31) and flowered for 62 days = total 97 days.

I agree, but that is the theoretical absolute minimum the plant would take from seed. Breeders only give the time in flowering, which could vary by environmental factors. This would be way more static and realistic.

Talk about the original "auto-flowering". LOL.

100th post BTW.

 

[idontgivenames]

Youre kidding right....

Unless you are taking an ounce wet....

Otherwise there is no way you are getting an ounce doing 12-12 immediately....

no way... maybe some sativas might do that but not indica dominant plants...

oh yes. clearly you've never done it.

 

[Guest]

Yes but I have grown many strains that were vegged a month and didnt yield an ounce.....lol

 

[TNTBudSticker]

theres not many going to get nearly 90 g per plant going 12/12 from the start. ( i think the best i ever had was 1 1/2 oz )

You can do 3 grows 12/12 in 5 months NOT including the time it took for the first seed to flower

(1)Seed sexed....begin to flower in 60 days..2 months time
(2)Grow another seed..sex in 25 days.. first round has 30 more days to go.2nd round has 60 days
(3)Grow another seed..sex in 25 days...first round is done and 2nd round has 30 days to go and 60 days for the 3rd round

It's all in the genetics of some fine breeders..takes looking around for those increased yeilds..... rather than a straight pole with cola bud on top,some genetics can be found and put out alot more Yields...

 

[Hal]

Hey...

Does anyone know where atmosphere 1 is? Any way we can contact him to get his expertise back in the conversation?

 

[ShroomDr]

I am in favor of a subforum.
12/12 simulates outdoors for large amount of the worlds cannabis habitat. Maybe a "experimental" sub forum, somewhere where people can test and display things like this, 6:40/12 photo period, or any other crazy ideal, that might have merit (stump remover? lmao). There are a lot of posts about 12/12 from seed, but i don't have the slightest idea how to search for them.

A subfourm would be a place for threads like, MH vs HPS, Airline vs Airstone, and many of the other questions asked.

 

[Hal]

I am in favor of a subforum.
12/12 simulates outdoors for large amount of the worlds cannabis habitat. Maybe a "experimental" sub forum, somewhere where people can test and display things like this, 6:40/12 photo period, or any other crazy ideal, that might have merit (stump remover? lmao). There are a lot of posts about 12/12 from seed, but i don't have the slightest idea how to search for them.

A subfourm would be a place for threads like, MH vs HPS, Airline vs Airstone, and many of the other questions asked.

I agree Doc. There are numerous threads, yet it is almost impossible to find them with any degree of hope. Having the 12/12 from seed be a searchable entity would allow us to learn from each others experience. I feel that is the most important tool we can have.

It would also serve as a database of all essential info for growing this method, and it would be right up front first off to help introduce this growing method to the new IC Mag members.

 

[JackKerouac]

I agree Doc. There are numerous threads, yet it is almost impossible to find them with any degree of hope. Having the 12/12 from seed be a searchable entity would allow us to learn from each others experience. I feel that is the most important tool we can have.

It would also serve as a database of all essential info for growing this method, and it would be right up front first off to help introduce this growing method to the new IC Mag members.

Hey Hal,

If you typed up some background information, like a FAQ, and the TOTAL finishing time for a few strains rather than just the flowering time, I am sure it would lend credence to the clause. i.e. good solid information that would make a good intro to a sub-forum.

PS. Have you PM'd Gypsy yet? He might not be too attentive to the cause, but some folks do indeed use this method.

JK.

 

[Hal]

JK,

You're correct...something to show, as an example, would be a good start. I only have one grow using this method under my belt, so I don't have all that much to write up. But if we could get a few other folks to chip in with some write ups, that would be heading in the right direction.

I actually PM'd both Gypsy and Dutchgrown today. Neither one has gotten back to me, but they are busy fellows, so I'm gonna give 'em another day or so. Unless, is there a trick to getting hold of these guys? Do they even accept PM's from just anybody, or do they try to reduce the amount of communications they recieve by having some special path that must be travelled to reach their mailbox?

I'm hittin the hay. Dreamland here I come.

 

[Bermyboy]

Hal, I support a sub forum.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I dont know if its because of the 12/12 from seed or not but one of my plants that I mentioned earlier in this thread turned hermie on me! It stretched like crazy (from 2" to 14" in 2 weeks) after showing as female then popped out sacks of nanners. Stress induced most likely. This 12/12 from seed thing may be pretty stressful on the plants.

 

[Hal]

Hey GrowTime,

It is possible for this growing method to result in hermies, but from what I have read, mostly back on OG, it isn't a common problem.

This is another example of how a dedicated, permanent thread or sub-forum would help...we could be recording which strains handle this method and which ones are problematic.

I don't think that exposing seedlings to 12/12 from the beginning is all that stressful to the plants...after all, it can easily happen in nature as well, if a seed just happens to sprout at the end of the natural growing season. There would be no reason for that plant to act as though there isn't any naturally occurring pollen for it to latch onto, because it would still be flowering at the same time as the other plants are flowering...it would just be a smaller plant.

Of course, there is the possibility that something else in your grow operation caused the hermies.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I think it was more a side effect of the 12/12 from seed since there are other, much more mature, plants that were shading the light to the little one, causing it to stretch so much. Thats probably the stress involved (low light) that caused the hermie.

 

[TNTBudSticker]

It stretched like crazy (from 2" to 14" in 2 weeks) after showing as female then popped out sacks of nanners. Stress induced most likely. This 12/12 from seed thing may be pretty stressful on the plants.

Maybe its the seed..lightleaks and whatnot

Plus...when doing 12/12.. your not stressing the plant and that makes more females with the lower temps,nitrogen,same lighting spot etc etc...

12/12 makes more females..So if it didnt ..alot of folks would go 24-0 --- 12/12----11/13..

But some actually start as 12/12 and get alot or most of the time...Females...

Female plants are the less stress plants,,,If you keep her enviroment unstressful...Then most likely over 80% of the time..it's female... thats a good ratio... some folks are over 80% ,,,,, it's up to 96% of the time they plant seed

Males ?? Bahhhh who needs them

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I do know my room is light tight so that wasnt it. Im pretty sure it was the lack of light to the plant more than anything else. Having said that, the two plants that I started 12/12 from seed did turn out to be females so you might be on to something there. The other 6 plants I started "normally" were about 50/50.

 

[Hal]

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