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New Experimental Organic Hydro Technique!
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DrunkenMessiah
Member
First flush comes right after sexing. If you've been following Lady L's thread you'll remember her describing what happens after you flip the switch. Plants destined to be ladies tend to just grow a lot and not show any pistils at first. It can take up to 4 weeks for serious bud development to commence. We want to time the first flush so that it comes just as the plants have finished sexing and are just starting to swell up their buds. After the flush you can let them sit in plain water for quite some time, up to 2 weeks. Remember, there are still a ton of nutrients locked up in the medium so even with RO water the plants can't really 'starve'. After the flush we add fresh water but don't fill the thing completely. You want to add just enough so that they will drink up all the water and get pretty dry within 5 days or so. This is the 'starve'. It is fairly impossible with this rig to completely deprive them of nutrients like you can with normal hydro. When we starve them we are just reducing the free-floating nutes by flushing and then depriving them of water a little. This gets us 90% the way there as far as maximum starve potential goes, we'll never be able to be quite as extreme with this as you can get in organic DWC, Bio Buckets, etc.
The dark cycle at the end isn't super-critical. Its just very important that we 'kill' the plants slowly and thoroughly. We want all the starches in the leaves and roots to get used up and swell up the buds as much as possible. This gives them a lot of pent-up energy to go and continue upping their potency as we jar them up for curing.
I think a perpetual rig would be very doable, keep at it and keep us updated.
Good luck and happy gardening!
-DM
Ipsissimus
Member
Interesting! I came up with a similar medium, but I use ebb & flow outdoors in a kiddie pool, with a fish pond (aquaponics)...tomatoes are lacking (ph too high I think), peppers are kicking ass. tried one mj plant, doing great till she turned out to be a he. I'm going to repeat this inside with some master kush x kc33 (but with GH instead of fish).
High guys 
Heres how my babies are working out
Just one week left i reckon.
Lookin good. Not the biggest buds i have grown indoors but the plant is super stacked and very happy with my first round.
Cheers again for the idea and info DM.
Heres how my babies are working out
Just one week left i reckon.
Lookin good. Not the biggest buds i have grown indoors but the plant is super stacked and very happy with my first round.
Cheers again for the idea and info DM.
Lightly feeding her.
Going to let dry out now for a week or so.
Building a new box just like this one. Then going to let rip some C99 and R.Buddah which should give me the fat buds i crave!!!
This is such an awesome way of growing that is very clean and efficient. I love it!!
Cheers me dears!XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Going to let dry out now for a week or so.
Building a new box just like this one. Then going to let rip some C99 and R.Buddah which should give me the fat buds i crave!!!
This is such an awesome way of growing that is very clean and efficient. I love it!!
Cheers me dears!XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
RipVanWeed
Member
Here's a look at how my flowers are doing.
Outdoors, had a huge disappointment today. I chopped 3 plants this morning early. Bucked and trimmed the 1st, easily the biggest colas yet for me!! These plants flowered right when I planted them outdoors, that's why they're done now.
The next 2 plants were full of caterpillars....fucking "Cabbage Loopers". they ate the heart out of the buds of both. This pair of plants had not been hit with Neem as much as the rest of the garden as they showed no signs of pest. Yesterday, I found this bud that looked like it had been blown up from within...a precursor to today's carnage.
Below is the Swiss Bliss that was spared
I knew that I should be using Neem on a regular basis, but was trying to avoid any "unnesasary spraying" (sic) Lesson learned.
Daybreak tomorrow I'm at the Depot for some Spinosad to bolster the Neem. I have 5 Jack Herer's out there, won't let the bugs get those.
Indoors, all's well. Feel like I'm at that midflower doldrums, fast bud growth done, waiting for the swell.
Super Silver Haze @ 36 days
Detail SSH
White Russian @ 36 days
Detail WR
Topped the OBBT's this am with some Earth Juice.
'Til next time,
Outdoors, had a huge disappointment today. I chopped 3 plants this morning early. Bucked and trimmed the 1st, easily the biggest colas yet for me!! These plants flowered right when I planted them outdoors, that's why they're done now.
The next 2 plants were full of caterpillars....fucking "Cabbage Loopers". they ate the heart out of the buds of both. This pair of plants had not been hit with Neem as much as the rest of the garden as they showed no signs of pest. Yesterday, I found this bud that looked like it had been blown up from within...a precursor to today's carnage.
Below is the Swiss Bliss that was spared
I knew that I should be using Neem on a regular basis, but was trying to avoid any "unnesasary spraying" (sic) Lesson learned.
Daybreak tomorrow I'm at the Depot for some Spinosad to bolster the Neem. I have 5 Jack Herer's out there, won't let the bugs get those.
Indoors, all's well. Feel like I'm at that midflower doldrums, fast bud growth done, waiting for the swell.
Super Silver Haze @ 36 days
Detail SSH
White Russian @ 36 days
Detail WR
Topped the OBBT's this am with some Earth Juice.
'Til next time,
Stonercool
Member
woah
woah
Wow. Really, what more can you say? No really, this thread is humongous, how much more can you say? I kid, I kid….
Thanks for sharing – I have to keep on this thread.
woah
Here's a look at how my flowers are doing.
Outdoors, had a huge disappointment today. I chopped 3 plants this morning early. Bucked and trimmed the 1st, easily the biggest colas yet for me!! These plants flowered right when I planted them outdoors, that's why they're done now.
The next 2 plants were full of caterpillars....fucking "Cabbage Loopers". they ate the heart out of the buds of both. This pair of plants had not been hit with Neem as much as the rest of the garden as they showed no signs of pest. Yesterday, I found this bud that looked like it had been blown up from within...a precursor to today's carnage.
Below is the Swiss Bliss that was spared
I knew that I should be using Neem on a regular basis, but was trying to avoid any "unnesasary spraying" (sic) Lesson learned.
Daybreak tomorrow I'm at the Depot for some Spinosad to bolster the Neem. I have 5 Jack Herer's out there, won't let the bugs get those.
Indoors, all's well. Feel like I'm at that midflower doldrums, fast bud growth done, waiting for the swell.
Super Silver Haze @ 36 days
Detail SSH
White Russian @ 36 days
Detail WR
Topped the OBBT's this am with some Earth Juice.
'Til next time,
Wow. Really, what more can you say? No really, this thread is humongous, how much more can you say? I kid, I kid….
Thanks for sharing – I have to keep on this thread.
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otherwhitemeat
Rip, sorry to hear about this, man.
I grow Brussels Sprouts, and Loopers LOVE them, it's like crack to them. Neem works well, but you have to reapply quite often. Have you ever heard of Dipel 150? It's Bacteria Thuringiensis Kusrtaki (BTk) Like BTi.
Anyway, I had a 'Sprout that was killed by the loopers and I applied the BtK to the others and never saw one again. Good luck in the future.
maryjanecares
Member
Never say Never?
Never say Never?
Re-wet the medium and completely refill the resivoir while being sure that the bubblers are still running (they should NEVER shut off) and allow to stew for a week with the lights off. When you come back a week later and run your hand through the medium you will notice that all of the old roots have dissapeared. After the old root-ball dies it is rapidly broken down and consumed by the voracious micro-life along with the new organic nutes you threw in.
DM...I am a bit confused...Never shut off the bubbler? Upon the starvation at the end of flower then cutting down, at the time when there is supposed to be NO water in the reservoir... why are the bubblers on in an empty reservoir? So I am assuming the starvation at the end is till you cut it down then you refill with water and keep bubbling adding in your new nutes and letting the micro-beasties eat up all the roots.
Never say Never?
Re-wet the medium and completely refill the resivoir while being sure that the bubblers are still running (they should NEVER shut off) and allow to stew for a week with the lights off. When you come back a week later and run your hand through the medium you will notice that all of the old roots have dissapeared. After the old root-ball dies it is rapidly broken down and consumed by the voracious micro-life along with the new organic nutes you threw in.
DM...I am a bit confused...Never shut off the bubbler? Upon the starvation at the end of flower then cutting down, at the time when there is supposed to be NO water in the reservoir... why are the bubblers on in an empty reservoir? So I am assuming the starvation at the end is till you cut it down then you refill with water and keep bubbling adding in your new nutes and letting the micro-beasties eat up all the roots.
M4N14C42O
New member
well well well........finally something i think i can work with lol.....
Ill just start off quick by saying i normally grow single cola SOG in 1gal pots........while this works well and i have no complaints there is one drawback........the need to constantly water these little shits every other day by hand, plus letting them drain so they don't leak everywhere.....it gets old real quick......
back on track........saying that, i think this comes as an awesome solution as i was already looking at doing a RDWC and stumbled across this JEM of information!!! Been referencing for a few days and checkin things out and here is my plan of action.....
Medium
- Fox Farm Ocean Forest and Coco Coir........im thinking a 60/40 or 50/50 mix
- Fox Farm Peace of Mind All Purpose 5-5-5 dry fert.....in place of the bio-tone
- Algamin Kelp Meal
- Chunky Perlite........and unsure if vermiculite would be necessary.......
mix that together then put in the buckets.....i plan a similar setup to RipVan Weed's.....then once all buckets are setup without plants......give the medium a slight "charge" if you will, spraying of myco-madness........then let that sit in the dark for a week before planting.........sounds firm to me but just looking for alittle input.
I feel confident in my teas im planning but just unsure if i should add anything to the medium......other than that i think i have a sound plan together.
Loving the vibe and general discussion this thread is bringing about. Keep up the banter guys im loving it!
- 42o -
Ill just start off quick by saying i normally grow single cola SOG in 1gal pots........while this works well and i have no complaints there is one drawback........the need to constantly water these little shits every other day by hand, plus letting them drain so they don't leak everywhere.....it gets old real quick......
back on track........saying that, i think this comes as an awesome solution as i was already looking at doing a RDWC and stumbled across this JEM of information!!! Been referencing for a few days and checkin things out and here is my plan of action.....
Medium
- Fox Farm Ocean Forest and Coco Coir........im thinking a 60/40 or 50/50 mix
- Fox Farm Peace of Mind All Purpose 5-5-5 dry fert.....in place of the bio-tone
- Algamin Kelp Meal
- Chunky Perlite........and unsure if vermiculite would be necessary.......
mix that together then put in the buckets.....i plan a similar setup to RipVan Weed's.....then once all buckets are setup without plants......give the medium a slight "charge" if you will, spraying of myco-madness........then let that sit in the dark for a week before planting.........sounds firm to me but just looking for alittle input.
I feel confident in my teas im planning but just unsure if i should add anything to the medium......other than that i think i have a sound plan together.
Loving the vibe and general discussion this thread is bringing about. Keep up the banter guys im loving it!
- 42o -
RipVanWeed
Member
Welcome 420,
Good Luck on your switch to Supercharged Organics.
Any specifics I can help you with let me know.
I'm currently rigging up some small,tall bioboxes, to sprout single cola plants, that will wedge inbetween my buckets.
Perhaps you could share training/pruning tips with someone who has not grown this way.
Respect,
Good Luck on your switch to Supercharged Organics.
Any specifics I can help you with let me know.
I'm currently rigging up some small,tall bioboxes, to sprout single cola plants, that will wedge inbetween my buckets.
Perhaps you could share training/pruning tips with someone who has not grown this way.
Respect,
M4N14C42O
New member
Well hello RipVanWeed!
Probably won't be much help as i grow the single cola's in pure soil but...........
I root my clones in rapid rooters.......once established they go into dixie cups filled with straight FF Ocean Forest soil.....they stay in there for 2 wks. then get t-planted to 1gal. pots of FF Ocean Forest with added FF Peace of Mind All Purpose 5-5-5 dry fert........early flower they get hit with FF Big Bloom and a good dose of GH Kool Bloom liquid fert.....then pretty much just big bloom every other water till midway then some more Kool Bloom.......then big bloom till 2wks to harvest and one more shot of Kool Bloom then flush........
But like i said i've been looking for something that i don't have to water so frequently and so time consuming.......im very picky about drainage so each 1gal pot gets to sit for atleast 5min after watering before it returns to the flower cab....
Now that that's out of the way i guess i could share my take on these OBBT's or Bio Buckets or whatever the hell lol...........heres my plan......
I run a 4ftx4ftx6ft tall cab, 2x400W HPS, and plenty of air exchange........i plan to run 9 of these OBBT's in 5gal buckets.......basically the same as you. Will be using a Sunleaves Durapump 950 gph pump......this pump has 6 outlets.....plan to T 4 of them, run one of the far buckets off its own from the pump, and have 1 extra air outlet to bubble my water/tea's.......
Will be running the medium i posted above unless pushed otherwise....
that medium will also be "charged" with a spritzing of myco madness on top each bucket before the 1 week of darkness incubation period.........lava rocks in the bottom.........i kinda like these over hydroton......personal preference. Also can't decide between the bendy air stones or the 6in straight air stones for each bucket.......still have 2 months or so before the switch-over so only time will tell which i go with.
For my flowering teas i plan to use some bat guano, FF big bloom, and EWC's if needed...........for the added salts later in flower i plan to give a one time shot of GH Kool Bloom liquid fert..........
That's the general gist of my plan but like i said, i have another 2 months or so before i make the switch so i have plenty of time to work out some fine details.............just looking on some advice as to if this sounds like a good plan or if i should tweak a few things........any input is appreciated!
- 42o -
Probably won't be much help as i grow the single cola's in pure soil but...........
I root my clones in rapid rooters.......once established they go into dixie cups filled with straight FF Ocean Forest soil.....they stay in there for 2 wks. then get t-planted to 1gal. pots of FF Ocean Forest with added FF Peace of Mind All Purpose 5-5-5 dry fert........early flower they get hit with FF Big Bloom and a good dose of GH Kool Bloom liquid fert.....then pretty much just big bloom every other water till midway then some more Kool Bloom.......then big bloom till 2wks to harvest and one more shot of Kool Bloom then flush........
But like i said i've been looking for something that i don't have to water so frequently and so time consuming.......im very picky about drainage so each 1gal pot gets to sit for atleast 5min after watering before it returns to the flower cab....
Now that that's out of the way i guess i could share my take on these OBBT's or Bio Buckets or whatever the hell lol...........heres my plan......
I run a 4ftx4ftx6ft tall cab, 2x400W HPS, and plenty of air exchange........i plan to run 9 of these OBBT's in 5gal buckets.......basically the same as you. Will be using a Sunleaves Durapump 950 gph pump......this pump has 6 outlets.....plan to T 4 of them, run one of the far buckets off its own from the pump, and have 1 extra air outlet to bubble my water/tea's.......
Will be running the medium i posted above unless pushed otherwise....
M4N14C42O said:
that medium will also be "charged" with a spritzing of myco madness on top each bucket before the 1 week of darkness incubation period.........lava rocks in the bottom.........i kinda like these over hydroton......personal preference. Also can't decide between the bendy air stones or the 6in straight air stones for each bucket.......still have 2 months or so before the switch-over so only time will tell which i go with.
For my flowering teas i plan to use some bat guano, FF big bloom, and EWC's if needed...........for the added salts later in flower i plan to give a one time shot of GH Kool Bloom liquid fert..........
That's the general gist of my plan but like i said, i have another 2 months or so before i make the switch so i have plenty of time to work out some fine details.............just looking on some advice as to if this sounds like a good plan or if i should tweak a few things........any input is appreciated!
- 42o -
420, glad to see the interest. I used various size lava rocks, and topped off with a layer of Hydroton. I used 2 big 4" airstones per bucket http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=135017
I wonder if psilocybin cubensis would grow well as a companion plant in an OBBT. Seems like a great place for fungus... I always read how clean you have to keep everything to grow it, but obviously it's not clean outside. OBBT might be the best way to make it work. I just wonder if it can grow with cannabis in the same pot without taking away from each other seriously..... Would there be any benefit to this like using other soil fungus, or would it fruit and use up too much food?
