NEW Colorado Growers Thread

[hellfire]

http://www.maps.org/research/mdma
For anyone interested in MDMA studies

http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/ptsd/boulder Boulder one here.

The FDA/pharma would lose a shitton of money if MDMA or cannabis or both were used to treat PTSD instead of the windfall of pills they give vets every month that lines big pharma pockets.

 

[meowmeowmeow]

Being a DJ in Florida.....I've done my research on MDMA enough.
It had a release effect, but recovery time was an issue.....plus I didn't grow it myself.

I don't get ate up on weed thank Xenu.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Just so folks are aware, MDA is called Molly. When Methamphetamines are added, to increase energy and focus, it's labeled MDMA. Bottom line, it's still amphetamines... same as adderal.

Always do your research and do it in-depth and with careful analysis. Especially when searching out the more esoteric bits of information available.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just so folks are aware, MDA is called Molly. When Methamphetamines are added, to increase energy and focus, it's labeled MDMA. Bottom line, it's still amphetamines... same as adderal.

Always do your research and do it in-depth and with careful analysis. Especially when searching out the more esoteric bits of information available.

Dunno about street terminology but MDA & MDMA are actual substances. They're members of a large family of related hallucinogenic amphetamines that can be synthesized & combined with damned near anything by enterprising & unscrupulous chemists.

That's why windowpanes & microdots were so highly prized back in the day- they were pure unadulterated electricity.

 

[Corvette Doc]

I would think there are a slew of "Accepted" drugs that the VA would dole out.
Just don't grow your own seems to be the new push to me.

3 of my friends fathers were Vets that were alcoholics with Hep B and/or effected by Agent Orange servng in Vietnam.
Booze helped numbed pain, but accelerated their deaths too fast.
I'm only thankful I was there to help them deal with that shit.

I NEED to find a new way to ingest my buds. The OH- From green-dragon tea has been causing bad problems with my endocrine levels...I just got out of Park view about an hour ago. They FINALLY tested my adrenals and found that i have had a legion on one for about 6-7 years. This has been the problem that feels like it is killing me. I can't have any OH- for at least 6 months to be put on a liver donor list. But i think a lot will clear it-self if i can just find a cleaner delivery system established to my needs. I might just have to find some-one who can/will do a propane blast or something. I really don't know much along those lines and could use some help and guidance through it. Take care all.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I NEED to find a new way to ingest my buds. The OH- From green-dragon tea has been causing bad problems with my endocrine levels...I just got out of Park view about an hour ago. They FINALLY tested my adrenals and found that i have had a legion on one for about 6-7 years. This has been the problem that feels like it is killing me. I can't have any OH- for at least 6 months to be put on a liver donor list. But i think a lot will clear it-self if i can just find a cleaner delivery system established to my needs. I might just have to find some-one who can/will do a propane blast or something. I really don't know much along those lines and could use some help and guidance through it. Take care all.

so...
you are making an alcohol tincture and the alcohol is causing problems?

get a water distiller (60-100$)
evaporate off the alcohol, (most will go off in the distiller, can get the rest out on a double boiler) dilute the black tar into a small amount of fatty carrier solvent (we like avocado oil, coconut oil, and hemp oil), then fill capsules or syringes or jars with the infused oil
the distiller is not needed really, but if u make this over and over the cost of the alcohol really starts to kick in, especially if u are using the 200 proof "extract-o-hol" or a similar strengthy solvent

 

[Jhhnn]

I NEED to find a new way to ingest my buds. The OH- From green-dragon tea has been causing bad problems with my endocrine levels...I just got out of Park view about an hour ago. They FINALLY tested my adrenals and found that i have had a legion on one for about 6-7 years. This has been the problem that feels like it is killing me. I can't have any OH- for at least 6 months to be put on a liver donor list. But i think a lot will clear it-self if i can just find a cleaner delivery system established to my needs. I might just have to find some-one who can/will do a propane blast or something. I really don't know much along those lines and could use some help and guidance through it. Take care all.

You might try making canna butter-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=269402

Leave out the cinnamon unless you like the stuff.

 

[Corvette Doc]

so...
you are making an alcohol tincture and the alcohol is causing problems?

get a water distiller (60-100$)
evaporate off the alcohol, (most will go off in the distiller, can get the rest out on a double boiler) dilute the black tar into a small amount of fatty carrier solvent (we like avocado oil, coconut oil, and hemp oil), then fill capsules or syringes or jars with the infused oil
the distiller is not needed really, but if u make this over and over the cost of the alcohol really starts to kick in, especially if u are using the 200 proof "extract-o-hol" or a similar strengthy solvent

Yeah, I have been using pure ethanol/everclear to make my tea.
I bought a water distiller a ways back...The problem with it was that it gets too hot and cooks-off all the terpines, and cannabinoids. I need some-one to figure out how to turn down the heat w/o turning down the voltage to the rest of it.
Or just suck it in and take the cost of losing all the OH-. It does mean living or dying.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You might try making canna butter-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=269402

Leave out the cinnamon unless you like the stuff. [/FONT]

I have made some really good butter in the past. But the fatty acids cause another problem for me. Using 2-3 oz of lemon GSC and 2-3 oz of the Grape Ape gives some killer tastes and highs at around 9 hours of a VERY slow boil, adding water as needed. Maybe i should try some different oils (only butter and coconut oil to date).

 

[Avinash.miles]

if the water distiller is too hot use a double boiler to evap the alcohol off

 

[Seaf0ur]

I won't be renewing my red card again, the new system is really way too much, they put us in an online registration now...not cool.

>tfw you've stopped paying the shekels to be on their lists years ago

Just so folks are aware, MDA is called Molly. When Methamphetamines are added, to increase energy and focus, it's labeled MDMA. Bottom line, it's still amphetamines... same as adderal.

Always do your research and do it in-depth and with careful analysis. Especially when searching out the more esoteric bits of information available.

MDMA is a very specific thing.
"Molly" is a synthetic version that constantly changes chemically.

How secretive Chinese drugs labs outrun laws on synthetic highs

BEIJING (Caixin Online) — A new breed of Chinese chemist bent on beating the legal system is helping satisfy global demand for synthetic recreational drugs.
Working in clandestine labs across the country, these drug-making chemists are tweaking formulas to produce synthetics that get people high without breaking the law or, if illegal ingredients are indispensible for the desired effect, without getting caught. They’re managing to stay one or more steps ahead of the authorities — including police and even Supreme People’s Court justices — who’ve been working harder in recent years to control the production, export and domestic use of psychoactive substances.
Drug experts say the chemists have what it takes to adjust chemical combinations quickly and get around a new drug law or prohibition almost as soon as it takes effect. They’re also nimble exporters who sell their wares internationally through the Internet and find creative ways to ship products overseas.
Most of the psychoactive substances developed in recent years by the nation’s chemists have been or are being produced for drug users overseas, said Wei Xiaojun, general office deputy director at the China National Narcotics Control Committee (CNNCC), an anti-drug-abuse task force representing 23 central government ministries.
Orders for Chinese-made synthetics are often placed by overseas clients through the Internet, Wei said. The products are then disguised and shipped through standard postal services.
Chemists working for synthetics drugs makers can design new products quickly by combining cheap and fairly common chemicals, said a researcher who works at a government testing facility called the National Laboratory for Narcotic Drugs and asked not to be named. By breaking down a substance into its main components, the researcher said, a lab chemist can design and produce “a new generation of a product.”
A variety of synthetic drugs may share the same chemical base, “like a big tree,” the researcher said. “The trunk is the same, but it’s different because of changes on the small branches.”

 

[Popice]

Still, everybody leaving MDEA out? I just want to chime in for a second. MDMA is unbelievable as an empathetic and emotional communication drug. it opens and connects wavelengths, the serotonin of course, same areas as dmt. it makes you feel good. ya you can get fucked up but I'd assume most people are then basically overwhelmed. they can't be used to being that aware, but it feels amazing. MDA will give you a little more energy, some hallucinations should come in, the squiggle vision, not just wonderful colors. toned down, ya you'll be able to dance all night. Real doses of MDMA at that level would have most people in a puddle squirming or just rocking their head grinding their teeth out. this is still overwhelming sensations. being aware of it's actual function is something altogether different. MDEA can almost work more like a heavy indica stoning where you really just don't want to be as active, you can get introspective, and I thought it had less of a comfortable body feel, but who knows, it's not as bad as mushrooms are to me. With MDMA everything is so comfortable why would you want to do something else? because ya this is better. then there's sass. this is unprocessed safrole/sassafras sap basically more like a concentrate, dab, kinda like the consistency of wax. yes you can smoke it, yes you can smoke all of them. but with sass its not concentrated , you need a lot more and won't get the effects of further processing. Molly is a reappropriated name, Molly moonrocks, the original moonrocks in my mind, seems to be too interchanged for RCs or the idea of some designer drug powder that's not cocaine. it's really all plants. no one associates K2 with weed. MDMA doesn't need to be medical, but shouldn't be hated on and misunderstood. umm weed.

how do people do so much hydro out here with this water? I can still barely believe the pH, and it seems filtering is the biggest pain. like less expensive RO systems... im all soil, and even think some plants got hit with that calcium, and some overwatering... but wow it seems amazing out here except for that. and I assume drinking it is fine. but seriously with the pH and ppms? I've now seen and heard both Denver and aurora tap.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Odd, thought I'd done the research on that years ago. I even remember folks in the mountains of Colorado doing Molly and sitting around with no energy going "wow", while folks doing high quality MDMA acted really amped up and euphoric.

I go online and find the opposite information. Oh well, that's the mud prohibition makes out of information. When legality hits, the truth will flow. Just like cannabis.

 

[Popice]

oh you can get amped up. dosing is huge. since 200xk it seems as the internet suggests .150, around here you will have energy, a lot depends on personal... self, previous experience, the present, but it's not like amped up speed. i mean .250-.5+ you can still have crazy energy, but a lot would be aided by the social environment. it really is more socially connecting than I think most people realize. But MDMA is the strongest in this manner. the tough thing is though, the social and self part. I've realized some people just are not as active. rolling can make a phone very difficult to use, even if you don't want to use it, the question is what do you do? if something like verbalization is not as comfortable, rolling won't really make you talk more. but if someone talks a lot, it can be the best gabbing. that's why some guys that replace Es with their beer may find the group experience kinda weird, especially with the associations around it, but they do, or have. and some things are adulterated. I'm not always In reality, but I assume there's a lot out there that isn't always what it is, instead of being exactly what you want it to be. just gotta do it til ya know...

 

[hellfire]

Got a bit of CBD oil today, time to make meds

 

[meowmeowmeow]

Cut day

Cut day

OG Bobby Johnson 2. 0 from Ript Genetics
(Kosher kush x Ghost OG) x Champagne
300w LED flower
Soil grown Buffaloam with Bloom "Yellow bottle" nutes, Mykos, Mammoth and some 0sa28.
70 day flower

How 'bout muy no frills grow fur ya! :yay:

 

[Avinash.miles]

Got a bit of CBD oil today, time to make meds

got an oz of distillate a couple weeks ago... interesting stuff

 

[MJPassion]

Anybody still waiting to put stuff out?

My gals were ready to go in ground early May but I'm glad I got delayed. I missed that last freeze (phew!!) & It's supposed to be down in the 30's again tonight. I just transplanted a few 4 footers from 1L to 5L pots. They'll remain in those untill going OD.

 

[hellfire]

got an oz of distillate a couple weeks ago... interesting stuff

I tried a dab of some 81% CBD with 2.6% THC distillate, it was interesting. Wouldn't call it a high, but definitely something.

I think raw extraction is best for medical purposes. Isolate/distillate may have specific uses. The raw oil which isn't going to be higher than 70% probably but still retains all the other cannabinoids and terpenes which have great medical benefits.

Anybody still waiting to put stuff out?

My gals were ready to go in ground early May but I'm glad I got delayed. I missed that last freeze (phew!!) & It's supposed to be down in the 30's again tonight. I just transplanted a few 4 footers from 1L to 5L pots. They'll remain in those untill going OD.

I'm still acclimating stuff to outdoors but I hope to get it fully out within this week. Wouldn't be surprised if there's one last frost here before the end of June. And on the other end of the valley I've heard awful hail stories.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Cooler yesterday morning in So. NV, only 95F by 9am. lol Enjoy the cool weather.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I tried a dab of some 81% CBD with 2.6% THC distillate, it was interesting. Wouldn't call it a high, but definitely something.

I think raw extraction is best for medical purposes. Isolate/distillate may have specific uses. The raw oil which isn't going to be higher than 70% probably but still retains all the other cannabinoids and terpenes which have great medical benefits.

agree 100%
that entourage effect
once you distill you have cooked off the terps and probably altered the cannabiniods in some way from the heat (thc is all decarbed)