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New Co2 Method !!!
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well if you people were into mycology you would understand that mushrooms and mushroom mycelium sortof expunge their old C02, a company found a way to utilized this c02 for growing plants by putting mushroom mycelium( vegetative mushroom matter) into a bucket with a hole. Your better off going to the paintball store and the hardware store, and buying a cheap valve, getting an RC car/plane servo and rigging it to a timer. Unless of course you grow mushrooms on a regular basis anyways......
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Hey unicorn what wrong with you man?Why dont you show off with some pics man that always seems to make you feel better lol.Its great you do well with your ventilation,I've seen tons of your pics and you can do even better without ventilation and a constant 1500PPM co2,why you seem so closed to it is beyond me.
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mrgrowmez
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what exactly is a "RC car/plane servo"?hogwild said:well if you people were into mycology you would understand that mushrooms and mushroom mycelium sortof expunge their old C02, a company found a way to utilized this c02 for growing plants by putting mushroom mycelium( vegetative mushroom matter) into a bucket with a hole. Your better off going to the paintball store and the hardware store, and buying a cheap valve, getting an RC car/plane servo and rigging it to a timer. Unless of course you grow mushrooms on a regular basis anyways......
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my set up fpr co2 cost 170 bux ,, now thats 150 for regultor and 15 bux for the tank full of co2 and tax !! now my room is 5 x 15 and that tank last me 3 weeks ,, so thats 6 weeks outa 2 tanks and the last 2 weeks we don't use co2 ,, so total cost of co2 for grow is 32 bux!!! plus when ya start that bucket it dosen't stop till it is out!! that means that it will run all day and all night ,, we don;'t need co2 at night!
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You sure dont,when my lights come on after 12 hours dark,I'm usually around 2500PPM,the plants make plenty of co2 during dark hours.
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nice comment guy...the benefits do not outweigh the risk of using c02 in my situation...my yields are more than enough for me and the ones i love...it is more dangerous than sulfuric acid for ph down thats for sure...im sure i could get even better yields in the future as i learn more about my plants every grow...i just dont want a tank of co2 5 feet from my bed while i try to sleep at night wondering if its going to screw up and put me to sleep forever
does co2 increase yield and growth without question i have never said it did not..read what i did say...by the way i do love posting my pics should have some new ones up soon...
does co2 increase yield and growth without question i have never said it did not..read what i did say...by the way i do love posting my pics should have some new ones up soon...
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Relax guys and gals..... we are just sharing information...Right!
Relax guys and gals..... we are just sharing information...Right!
Unicorn--as I said before...a grower should definitely optimize all the variables before progressing to CO2 supplementation or it will not help. With that said, University studies show that increasing CO2 between 1000ppm and 2000ppm will increase yields by up to 20%. This fact can not be ignored. If we accepted "what is fine for us and our loved ones". We would still be growing natural strains of cannabis only in soil outside in the summer but we are not. We all are pushing for that extra 20%. Optimized nutrients 20%. Optimized temps 20%. Optimized ventilation 20%. Optimized lighting and spectra 30%. All of these have added up to a hell of a lot better yields than in the 70's. That is what we are on these forums for....right.
Ballastman--plants do not make CO2. Maybe decomposition in soil or something but definitely not plants. Not sure what you meant about those statements.
Fari--small bursts of non-sustained levels of CO2 have not show any difference in yield or growth. Can't see how those little things would bring levels up to 1500ppm - 2000ppm which is what studies have shown it takes to show improvements.
Unicorn--one last thing. Just because you use CO2 does not mean it will be by my bed or not have safety features built into the system. The negativity is not really helpful to learning. Everyone using CO2 does not have less growing knowledge or skill than you just because they are thinking of giving it a go. I am not being rude or bitchy...... just seems off hand negative comments without any specifics is a great way to vent negative feelings but not promote learning and a unified movement.
Peace
Relax guys and gals..... we are just sharing information...Right!
Unicorn--as I said before...a grower should definitely optimize all the variables before progressing to CO2 supplementation or it will not help. With that said, University studies show that increasing CO2 between 1000ppm and 2000ppm will increase yields by up to 20%. This fact can not be ignored. If we accepted "what is fine for us and our loved ones". We would still be growing natural strains of cannabis only in soil outside in the summer but we are not. We all are pushing for that extra 20%. Optimized nutrients 20%. Optimized temps 20%. Optimized ventilation 20%. Optimized lighting and spectra 30%. All of these have added up to a hell of a lot better yields than in the 70's. That is what we are on these forums for....right.
Ballastman--plants do not make CO2. Maybe decomposition in soil or something but definitely not plants. Not sure what you meant about those statements.
Fari--small bursts of non-sustained levels of CO2 have not show any difference in yield or growth. Can't see how those little things would bring levels up to 1500ppm - 2000ppm which is what studies have shown it takes to show improvements.
Unicorn--one last thing. Just because you use CO2 does not mean it will be by my bed or not have safety features built into the system. The negativity is not really helpful to learning. Everyone using CO2 does not have less growing knowledge or skill than you just because they are thinking of giving it a go. I am not being rude or bitchy...... just seems off hand negative comments without any specifics is a great way to vent negative feelings but not promote learning and a unified movement.
Peace
I bought my daughter 2 rats as pets. Unfortunately they were male and female - now I have about 20 or so! May be I should put them to work and place their cage in my grow room. They might produce enough Co2 to warrant keeping them - what do you think? lol!
Just joking by the way, continue.....
TGT
Just joking by the way, continue.....
TGT
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TGT......
TGT......
I know you meant it as a joke but check this out. My rooms ppm go up between 200-300 when I am tending the plants. This is just from one person. A lot of rats could bring it up significantly......LOL
Good to have a little humor... Thanks TGT.... Damn this is supposed to be for fun.'
Peace
TGT......
I know you meant it as a joke but check this out. My rooms ppm go up between 200-300 when I am tending the plants. This is just from one person. A lot of rats could bring it up significantly......LOL
Good to have a little humor... Thanks TGT.... Damn this is supposed to be for fun.'
Peace
Truth
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In theory, you could slowly capture in a tank the co2 released from yeast, if setup correctly. However, it isn't necessary. all that is necessary is no flow in/out of the room, it has to be a closed/sealed room. why? because the co2 will escape outside of the room. And you never know, if you produce a lot and it leaks, you wouldn't want it leaking into your home/apt at night. The yeast co2 method does work well. You can make loads for cheap. Buy a rubbermaid tub, any size you wish (even 10+ gallon) and fill it up with the proper ratio's of yeast, water, sugar. Poke tiny holes in the lid all over, place the lid back on it. The co2 will build up inside, and release into the room. and for added dispersal you could place a tiny fan near it, blowing towards the plants. You basically need just enough airflow to move it around, and have the room sealed enough to where you won't leak all of your co2.
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Truth..... I have a much more advanced way with yeast CO2.....
Truth..... I have a much more advanced way with yeast CO2.....
I will be doing a thread that includes a grow with a second topic of yeast CO2. I just checked my room and I have 1650ppm at present. I seal the room completely except for the out-take and intake. I place the yeast Co2 hose next to my intakes which have my mega humidifier right next to it. As the fresh air is drawn in it is mixed with the CO2 and then again as my humidifier again mixes it. I balance the intake and exhaust speeds to keep the CO2 in the 1500ppm-2000ppm range and lower and raise the speed of the humidifier to accommodate a RH of 40-60%. The flow is continuous. The CO2 created during the night is wasted since marijuana plants can not store the CO2 to use once the lights come on. Some plants have this ability but not Ganja. I would love to store the "dark" CO2 and inject during the light but have not found a practical way of doing this as yet. Hopefully in the thread with all our brains combined we can think of something. I use a 25 gal tank bought from a livestock type store and that is my main tank. I put a hose from the main tank into a clear two gal tank and run it into the bottom that has 1-2 in of water in it. A second hose runs from the top of the secondary tank into the room. This serves two purposes: to give a visual of the amount of bubbling or CO2 production and to act as a reservoir to catch any overflow that comes from the primary tank. This happens occasionally when the yeast activate too quickly and cause foam to flow out the primary tube, but then is caught in the secondary container. When the bubbling slows down as visualized in the secondary container and the ppm drop on the monitor in the room I change out the slurry of sugar water and yeast. Usually lasts a week at a time with 10-20lbs of sugar and takes about 15-20 min to change. Have been tweaking and finding optimal amt of sugar to produce the most amt of CO2 without changing out to often...... point of diminishing returns.
I would invite as many people as can to send me a PM so that when the thread starts I can notify you..... would like lots of feed back and ideas.
I welcome comments and feedback to this post also...........
Peace
Truth..... I have a much more advanced way with yeast CO2.....
I will be doing a thread that includes a grow with a second topic of yeast CO2. I just checked my room and I have 1650ppm at present. I seal the room completely except for the out-take and intake. I place the yeast Co2 hose next to my intakes which have my mega humidifier right next to it. As the fresh air is drawn in it is mixed with the CO2 and then again as my humidifier again mixes it. I balance the intake and exhaust speeds to keep the CO2 in the 1500ppm-2000ppm range and lower and raise the speed of the humidifier to accommodate a RH of 40-60%. The flow is continuous. The CO2 created during the night is wasted since marijuana plants can not store the CO2 to use once the lights come on. Some plants have this ability but not Ganja. I would love to store the "dark" CO2 and inject during the light but have not found a practical way of doing this as yet. Hopefully in the thread with all our brains combined we can think of something. I use a 25 gal tank bought from a livestock type store and that is my main tank. I put a hose from the main tank into a clear two gal tank and run it into the bottom that has 1-2 in of water in it. A second hose runs from the top of the secondary tank into the room. This serves two purposes: to give a visual of the amount of bubbling or CO2 production and to act as a reservoir to catch any overflow that comes from the primary tank. This happens occasionally when the yeast activate too quickly and cause foam to flow out the primary tube, but then is caught in the secondary container. When the bubbling slows down as visualized in the secondary container and the ppm drop on the monitor in the room I change out the slurry of sugar water and yeast. Usually lasts a week at a time with 10-20lbs of sugar and takes about 15-20 min to change. Have been tweaking and finding optimal amt of sugar to produce the most amt of CO2 without changing out to often...... point of diminishing returns.
I would invite as many people as can to send me a PM so that when the thread starts I can notify you..... would like lots of feed back and ideas.
I welcome comments and feedback to this post also...........
Peace
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Truth keeping it all in the room is not all thats necessary for co2 enrichment,the most important aspect is keeping a steady PPM level that doesnt fluctuate more than 300 PPM.When I get up in the morning at the lights come on in the flower room,I'm usually at 2500PPM.You want to bring this down to around 1500 and keep it there,between 1500-1800 is what I find perfect.Lets see you do that for 12 hours with yeast,its not going to happen.I've grown with co2 for about 3 years now,first my portable AC shot it all up into the attic,then I found out the cyclestat timer I was using didnt really keep a steady PPM and I was ODing the plants especially in the morning.My whole last grow almost was done with a generator and controller finally instead of cyclestat,what a huge difference.I never figured they would grow this fast and flower this quick I'm totallly freaked at what co2 can do when everythings right.Without 50 w sq. ft I wouldnt even bother with co2.
badgr
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Unicorn, Why in the hell did you have to make this thread so negative. Like your some kind of super grower. I don't give a shit about you and your growing conquests. This thread is about co2 not you. YOU have for some reason really pissed me off. I don't know why you have to muck up this thread with your unresearched bullshit posted. GO ahead and reply. You will make me laugh.
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all i can really say about that is...its better to be pissed off than pissed on..am i not entitled to my opinion..just so you know your not bringing positive with your post...and its the only post you made in the thread...haters man got to love them
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i never meant to come off the way apparently i have..i just think other parameters in a growroom should be met before using co2..its a factor many growers overlook..they use co2 get decent yields and think there doing good...when in reality they would do better if they dialed in there space..its more important than the added co2 in my humble opinion...that is all i meant to say...came off a liitle harsh at times..so did others..i apologize...and here is a pic of my kali-mist...peace..im learning more about co2 on this thread i hope others are open to what i am pointing out..open mind i do have
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Bree how in the world can you say plants dont produce co2 during the dark hours?You have a controller dont you?What are your PPMs when the lights come on?I knew plants produced oxygen during the day and co2 and night,but I didnt realize how much.And dont sy its my pilot light bro that wont do lol
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Ballastman-- It can be done and I am doing it. No controller but do keep meticulous records of my levels. Stay between 1500 and 2000ppm. Have 20 years in this hobby with the last eight specifically indoors and all with yeast CO2. I am going to do a thread on it..... would like you to stop by and learn and give me some of your insight so I can learn.
Unicorn-- haters suck and I think badgr is just saying he is seeing you as one. I don't want nor need to be that negative but please read my thread above. Just some constuctive input would increase the value of your posts. You obviously have some growing experience to share.... just share it with us. Look at my last post. I see that you saw it. Excellent grow of Kali.... one of my favorites... damn nice buds especially for Kali.
Peace all and remember we do this all for FUN........
Unicorn-- haters suck and I think badgr is just saying he is seeing you as one. I don't want nor need to be that negative but please read my thread above. Just some constuctive input would increase the value of your posts. You obviously have some growing experience to share.... just share it with us. Look at my last post. I see that you saw it. Excellent grow of Kali.... one of my favorites... damn nice buds especially for Kali.
Peace all and remember we do this all for FUN........
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Trust me man,plants make co2 during lights off.I appreciate the length of time you've been growing,but you see I have it here right before my eyes every time I want to check,and I've checked countless times when the lights come on.I have to open my door for a few minutes to get the level down around 1800 every morning.
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Ballastman.... there must be another reason......
Ballastman.... there must be another reason......
I am not arguing just stating a fact, scientific fact. Maybe the beneficials either in the soil of the res. something. Plants take in CO2 combine that with sugar and energy from the sun (or lights) and thus produce carbohydrates. The roots require O2 only to keep the anarobic (or bad bacteria that grow during times of no air) from growing to stay healthy. We breath off CO2 only because we have a totally different metabolic system. Not bagging on you dude but have a degree in this stuff not just the growing experience. There are multiple university and horticultural sites to support these statements. Am simply saying there is another variable that is causing the rise.
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Ballastman.... there must be another reason......
I am not arguing just stating a fact, scientific fact. Maybe the beneficials either in the soil of the res. something. Plants take in CO2 combine that with sugar and energy from the sun (or lights) and thus produce carbohydrates. The roots require O2 only to keep the anarobic (or bad bacteria that grow during times of no air) from growing to stay healthy. We breath off CO2 only because we have a totally different metabolic system. Not bagging on you dude but have a degree in this stuff not just the growing experience. There are multiple university and horticultural sites to support these statements. Am simply saying there is another variable that is causing the rise.
Peace
