new Cali med laws for dummies - or why you are done growing next year

[Sunfire]

I read it already. On the surface it seems pretty good but there's a lot of details that arnt. Either way it's still better then nothing and I fear having 4+ initiatives circulating won't be good and also having more then one on the ballot will confuse voters and dilute the votes. Yes the part about bans having to go to a general election vote was pretty awesome!

Naacp and mpp and a third group all recently dropped out of and pulled away from reformca, perhaps the dan rush indictment had a lot to do with that. So idk ablut their funding.

I favor the cchi because of their hemp and freeing prisoners bit they leave the regulations up to the state to figure out.

The mclr address hemp and handles state regs in a good way but they don't give the same level of prisoner amnesty however the mclr has not been filed yet and I know they are currently taking input and adjusting language and myself and another suggested stealing the reformca language in regards to bans.

 

[WoodFired Pizza]

fukin idiots in shasta county tried to get me to start hiding plants around the yard instead of giving a shit about the ban.

washington light dep does not even look as good as cali outdoor in the colder locations and oregon outdoor usually looks about the same as outdoor from the less popular spots in ca.

indoor is boring though. they need to make better laws for buying and selling cars maybe ban them in a few places along with gas.

 

[Corpsey]

I just read the first couple of pages from reformca , and yeah it sucks.
So you can only have 1 ounce, and you can only grow up to 100 sq ft. How the hell do you grow just one ounce?
Then I see more fines and jail time if you are over 16 ounces.

Yay we are going to be legal! (Sarcasm)

 

[stoned-trout]

fuck em .. I am growing inside and outside..i don't care what they say.....done??? ha ha hardly..i finally got new electric put in...yeehaw

 

[theJointedOne]

I read it as you can possess a pound at home, travel with a ounce, grow 100 sq ft, and only a felony if you are trying to illegally sell more than 10k worth of bud, so 4-6 lbs I guess

But they can ding you 2k a day or more if your in violation of canopy size... Men

Pretty sure it also just throws a 100 sq ft limit on medical too..I could be wrong on that though too

 

[MrBelvedere]

I read it already. On the surface it seems pretty good but there's a lot of details that arnt. Either way it's still better then nothing and I fear having 4+ initiatives circulating won't be good and also having more then one on the ballot will confuse voters and dilute the votes. Yes the part about bans having to go to a general election vote was pretty awesome!

Naacp and mpp and a third group all recently dropped out of and pulled away from reformca, perhaps the dan rush indictment had a lot to do with that. So idk ablut their funding.

I favor the cchi because of their hemp and freeing prisoners bit they leave the regulations up to the state to figure out.

The mclr address hemp and handles state regs in a good way but they don't give the same level of prisoner amnesty however the mclr has not been filed yet and I know they are currently taking input and adjusting language and myself and another suggested stealing the reformca language in regards to bans.

Is there any word on what initiative MPP is gonna pour money into?

26027. Any regulations created and enforced by the office for licensing shall not infringe on the rights and
protections set forth in this Act, including but not limited to the possession, use, and cultivation of homegrown
cannabis individually or collectively. GOOD

26009. (a) Except as stated within this Act, this Act shall not be construed or interpreted to amend or affect:
(3) The ability of a state or local government agency to prohibit or restrict actions or conduct otherwise
permitted under this Act within a building owned, leased, or occupied by the state or local government
agency. TERRIBLE


If you care, go to http://www.reformca.com/2016 and where it says "I would like to leave feedback about the initiative in regards to one of the following issues:"

Send a strong message like:

Please amend the draft to state clearly that LOCAL BANS/REGULATIONS are NOT APPLICABLE to MEDICAL COLLECTIVES in any way shape or form!"

...that will end the local bans somewhat if they make it clear.

 

[WoodFired Pizza]

There text format is more efficient then the one growers are using for communicating about voting. http://huntforever.org/2015/10/02/your-help-urgently-needed-on-hunting-proposition/

i don't even see anyone trying to use money to change peoples minds in this thread or the other one lol.

 

[yesum]

So a home grower is entitled to a 100 sq ft canopy and no more plant counts? Personal use only no sell.

I doubt it but that is what I thought I saw in this thread.

 

[Corpsey]

I read it as you can possess a pound at home, travel with a ounce, grow 100 sq ft, and only a felony if you are trying to illegally sell more than 10k worth of bud, so 4-6 lbs I guess

But they can ding you 2k a day or more if your in violation of canopy size... Men

Pretty sure it also just throws a 100 sq ft limit on medical too..I could be wrong on that though too

it looks like it says 1 ounce for personal possession

Article 3. Lawful Activities
26011. Lawful acts. Except as otherwise provided in this Act, the following activities shall be deemed lawful and shall not be a crime, public offense, cause for property seizure, cause for action by the Department of Motor Vehicles, or cause for incarceration or civil sanctions under California or local law for each person 21 years of age or older:
(a) To personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis or cannabis products, solely for personal use, and not for sale.
(b) To consume cannabis or cannabis products that are obtained and possessed in compliance with this Act when such consumption occurs at a private residence or such other location as permitted under this Act. Nothing in this section shall alter current law regarding the rights of a property owner or landlord to regulate or prohibit smoking on their property.
(c) To cultivate homegrown cannabis in an area not to exceed one hundred (100) square feet; to possess the living and harvested plants and results of any lawfully harvested homegrown cannabis pursuant to this Article; and to transport homegrown cannabis between a lawful cultivation site and the cultivator’s residence.

 

[SpaceJunkOG]

In other breaking news, talented sign twirlers are in high demand in Oregon dispensaries paying $50 an hour!

great visual.

 

[yesum]

Any news on limits for grows and personal amounts? 1 oz. is too low and 100 foot canopy is beyond what I will ever need. I use a 2x2' area to grow and it is more than enough.

Just got back from getting my Dr. recommendation, hope they do not screw that for me with all kinds of paperwork. I spent a whole 5 minutes with the doc, 5 more than I care to. This should just be legal and no doctor or lawyers invited. uhhhh

 

[SpaceJunkOG]

Any news on limits for grows and personal amounts? 1 oz. is too low and 100 foot canopy is beyond what I will ever need. I use a 2x2' area to grow and it is more than enough.

that seems to be one of quite a few contradictory clauses in the bill.

yes, they do say the new personal limit is 1oz.

but then, right after that, they say the new personal limit is ALSO "100sq ft canopy and the results of those processed / harvested plants" . . . . . which is reasonably a LOT more than 1 ounce.

so once again there is a huge contradiction between 2 clauses in MMJ legislature which kinda allow the law enforcers to decide which one they feel like they want to enforce that day.

 

[Payaso]

Wild West era of medical cannabis comes to an end

Wild West era of medical cannabis comes to an end

California's Governor Brown today signed the trio of legislative bills that ends the free era of medical marijuana in that state.

United Food and Commercial Workers Western States Council Executive Director Jim Araby told reporters that "today, the Wild West era of medical cannabis came to an end, and a new era of responsible regulation has begun..."

Read the entire story here:

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/4596903-181/gov-brown-signs-bill-to?page=0

And comment below... there are a number of vague and contradictory passages in the legislation. We hope for some clarity. and also hear that ASA is already gearing up for a major court battle.

 

[mojave green]

Heard the nsa, oops, I mean asa was a sponsor!
Court battle.

 

[Sunfire]

A bunch of injunctions and lawsuits will be filed and they dont go into effect until 2018. The csaa can fix these bills and was written specifically to knee cap them!!! @csaa2016 who wants to donate and volunteer and make it happen?

Amma and CCC are already set to launch lawsuits and injunctions
**

 

[theJointedOne]

The new Medical Marijuana Regulation and Safety Act consists of three separate bills which were enacted together on Sept 11, 2015 (despite its title, the term "medical cannabis" is used throughout the act). The bill creates a comprehensive state licensing system for the commercial cultivation, manufacture, retail sale, transport, distribution, delivery, and testing of medical cannabis. All licenses must also be approved by local governments.

Presuming the MMSRA is signed into law by Gov. Brown (as expected), it will take effect on Jan 1, 2016. After that, the state will need several months (probably at least a year) to set up the necessary agencies, information systems, and regulations to actually begin issuing licenses. In the interim, local governments may choose to adopt new ordinances to permit or license local businesses in preparation for state licensing. Facilities currently operating in accordance with state and local laws may continue to do so until such time as their license applications are approved or denied. In the meantime, prospective applicants are strongly advised to apply to the state Board of Equalization for a Resale Permit, and to prepare for seeking approval from their local governments.

SUMMARY:

AGENCIES AB 266 establishes a new Bureau of Medical Marijuana Regulation under the Department of Consumer Affairs. The Bureau is to establish a comprehensive internet system for keeping track of licensees and reporting the movement of commercial cannabis and cannabis products.

SB 643 & AB 243 give the Dept. of Food and Agriculture responsibility for regulating cultivation; the Dept. of Public Health for developing standards for manufacture, testing, and production and labeling of edibles; the Dept of Pesticide Regulation for developing pesticide standards; and the Depts. of Fish and Wildlife and State Water Board for protecting water quality. (Sec. 19332)

LICENSE TYPES The following license types are established under AB 266 (19300.7)) and SB 643 (19331(g)):

(a) Type 1 = Cultivation; Specialty outdoor. Up to 5,000 square ft of canopy, or up to 50 noncontiguous plants
(b) Type 1A = Cultivation; Specialty indoor. Up to 5000 sq ft
(c) Type 1B = Cultivation; Specialty mixed-light. Using exclusively artificial lighting.
(d) Type 2 = Cultivation; Outdoor. Up to 5000 sq ft, using a combination of artificial and natural lighting
(e) Type 2A = Cultivation; Indoor. 5001 -10,000 sq ft.
(f) Type 2B = Cultivation; Mixed-light. 5001 -10,000 sq ft
(g) Type 3 = Cultivation; Outdoor. 10,001 sq ft - 1 Acre
(h) Type 3A = Cultivation; Indoor.. 10,001 - 22,000 sq ft
(i) Type 3B = Cultivation; Mixed-light. 10,001 - 22,000 sq ft
(j) Type 4 = Cultivation; Nursery.
(k) Type 6 = Manufacturer 1 for products not using volatile solvents.
(l) Type 7 = Manufacturer 2 for products using volatile solvents.
(m) Type 8 = Testing
 Type 10 = Dispensary; General
(o) Type 10A = Dispensary; No more than three retail sites
(p) Type 11 = Distribution
(q) Type 12 = Transporter

CULTIVATION SIZE LIMITATIONS The maximum allowable size is 1 acre (43,560 sq ft) outdoors (Type 3) or 22,000 sq ft indoors (Type 3A and 3B licenses). The DFA is directed to limit the number of Type 3, 3A and 3B licenses. (AB 243, 19332(g)).

VERTICAL INTEGRATION There are complicated restrictions to prevent vertical integration (AB 266, 19328). In general, licensees can only hold licenses in up to two separate categories. Small cultivation licensee Types 1 -2 may hold manufacturing or Type 10A retail licenses (limited to three dispensaries). It appears that Types 3-4 licensees can't apply for manufacturing licenses at all. However, Type 10A licensees can apply for both manufacturing and cultivation licenses, provided their total cultivation area doesn't exceed 4 acres. Also, facilities in jurisdictions that require or permit cultivation, manufacture and distribution to be integrated as of July 1, 2015 may continue to operate that way until Jan 1, 2026.

DISTRIBUTORS REQUIRED Type 11 distributors are a new kind of entity that has been created to regulate the flow of products. ALL cultivation and manufacturing licensees are required to send their products to a Type 11 licensee for quality insurance and inspection before passing them to the next stage of manufacturing or retailing. The Type 11 licensee in turn submits the product to a Type 8 laboratory for batch testing and certification. Afterwards, the sample returns to the Type 11 distributor for final inspection and execution of the contract between the cultivator and manufacturer or manufacturer and retailer. The Type 11 distributor charges a fee that covers the testing plus any applicable taxes (the act doesn't impose any new taxes, but anticipates that could happen in the near future) (AB 266, 19326)

Type 11 distributors and Type 8 testing facilities can't hold any other kind of licenses (however, licensees may have their own labs for in-house testing).

LOCAL PERMITS REQUIRED No person shall engage in commercial activity without BOTH a state license and a license, permit, or other authorization from their local government. (AB 266, 19320(a); AB 243, 11362.777 (b)).

LAWFUL ACTS Actions by licensees that are permitted by both a state license and local government are lawful and protected from arrest, prosecution, or other legal sanctions (AB 266, 19317).

GRANDFATHERING Facilities already operating in compliance with local ordinances and other laws on or before Jan 1, 2018 may continue to operate until such time as their license is approved or denied. (AB 266, 19321(c)). Facilities in operation before Jan 1, 2016 shall receive priority. Los Angeles may in any case continue to prosecute violations of Measure D.

APPLICANT QUALIFICATIONS (SB 643, 19322): Applicants must provide proof of local approval and evidence of legal right to occupy proposed location. Applicants shall submit fingerprints for DOJ background check. Cultivation licensees must declare selves "agricultural employers" as defined by Alatore-Zenovich-Dunlap-Berman Agricultural Labor Relations Act.

Licensing authority MAY deny application if applicant has been convicted of an offense substantially related to qualifications, including ANY felony controlled substance offense, violent or serious felonies, or felonies involving fraud, deceit or embezzlement, or any sanctions by a local licensing authority in the past 3 years (SB 643, 19323(a)5).

FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES are implicitly allowed under the qualifications established above. These were previously "not authorized" under SB 420, but the new licensing provisions extend to individuals, partnerships, corporations, business trusts, etc. (under the definition of "person" in AB266, 19300.5 (aj)). Likewise, applicants no longer need be patients.

CULTIVATION LICENSING The DFA shall establish a medical cannabis cultivation program. All cultivation subject to local land use regulations and permits. In cities and counties without cultivation regulations of their own, the state shall be the sole licensing authority as of March 1, 2016 (AB 243, 11362.777 (c)4).

TRACK & TRACE PROGAM The DFA shall implement a unique identification program for all marijuana plants at a cultivation site, to be attached at the base of each plant. The information shall be incorporated into a "track and trace" program for each product and transaction. (SB 643, 19335 and AB 243, 11362.777 (e)). Cultivation in violation of these provisions subject to civil penalties up to twice the amount of the license fee, plus applicable criminal penalties. Fines enacted daily for each violation (SB 243, 19360).

PATIENT EXEMPTION Qualified patients are exempt from the state permit program if cultivating less than 100 square feet for personal medical use. Primary caregivers with five or fewer patients are allowed up to 500 square feet (AB 243, 11362.777(g) and SB 643, 19319). Exemption under this section does not prevent a local government from further restricting or banning the cultivation, provision, etc. of medical cannabis by individual patients or caregivers in its jurisdiction (AB 243).

DELIVERIES Cannabis may be delivered to qualified patients only by dispensaries and only in cities or counties where not prohibited by local ordinance. All deliveries to be documented. No locality can bar transport of delivered products through its territory. Deliveries may be taxed by local county. (AB 266, 19340). [In a separate section (19334 (a) 4) it is confusingly stated that dispensers who have no more than three dispensaries (Type 10A) shall be allowed to deliver "where expressly authorized by local ordinance." It's unclear what conditions if any apply to other, Type 10 licensed dispensers.]

MANUFACTURERS are to be licensed by DPH. The DPH shall limit the number of Type 7 licenses that produce products using volatile solvents.

TESTING (AB 266, 19341-6) The DPH shall ensure that all cannabis is tested prior to delivery to dispensaries or other businesses, and specify how often such testing shall be conducted. *** Confusingly, 19346(c) says the costs of testing are to be paid by cultivators, whereas 19326(c) (3) states that distributors shall charge for the costs of testing; since distributors serve manufacturers as well as cultivators, it doesn't make sense that testing costs for the former should be charged to the latter. *** Licensees shall use standard methods established by International Organization for Standardization approved by an accrediting body that is signatory to the International Laboratory Accreditation Cooperation Mutual Recognition Arrangement (AB 266, 19342). Licensees shall test for cannabinoids, contaminants, microbiological impurities, and other compounds spelled out in Section 19344. Licensees may conduct tests for individual qualified patients, but not certify them for resale or transfer to other licensees.

SCHOOL ZONES Cultivation and dispensary facilities must be at least 600 ft from schools (with grandfathered exceptions specified in HSC 11362.768). (SB 643, 19322 (a) 4).

TRANSPORTATION Only licensed transporters can transport cannabis or cannabis products between licensees (AB 266, 19326(a)). The bill doesn't specify whether cultivators, manufacturers, or retailers can also have transport licenses, but 19328 (a) states they can generally have at most two separate kinds of licenses. Licensed transporters shall transmit an electronic shipping manifest to the state and carry a physical copy with each shipment (SB643, 19337).

LABOR PEACE AGREEMENTS Required of all applicants with 20 employees or more (SB 643, 19322 a (6))

PACKAGING Products shall be labeled in tamper-evident packages with warning statements & information specified in Section 19347.

PRIVACY Identifying names of patients, caregivers, and medical conditions shall be kept confidential. (AB 266, 19355)

SB 420 COLLECTIVE DEFENSE SUNSET The provision in SB 420 affording legal protection to patient collectives and cooperatives, HSC 11362.775, shall sunset one year after the Bureau posts a notice on its website that licenses have commenced being issued. After that date, all cannabis collectives will have to be licensed, except for individual patient and caregiver gardens serving no more than five patients.

PHYSICIAN RECOMMENDATIONS (SB 643): There are several new provisions clarifying the duties of medical cannabis physicians; however, they don't substantially affect or impair patients' current access to medical recommendations.
• The Med Board's enforcement priorities are amended to include "Repeated acts of clearly excessive recommending of cannabis for medical purposes,or repeated acts of recommending without a good faith prior exam." (SB 643, 2220.05). This is identical to existing language regarding controlled substances, which has generally been assumed to apply to MMJ heretofore.
• It is unlawful for physicians who recommend to accept, solicit, or offer remuneration to or from a licensed facility in which they or a family member have a financial interest.
• The Med Board shall consult with the California Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research in developing medical guidelines for MJ recs.
• The recommending person shall be the patient's "attending physician" as defined in HSC 11362.7(a). Contrary to popular misconception, this in nothing new and in no way limits patients to their primary care physician. It merely restates current language in SB 420.
• Physician ads must include a warning notice that MMJ is still a federal Schedule One substance.

PESTICIDE STANDARDS shall be promulgated by DFA and Dept of Pesticide Regulation (SB643, 19332).

ORGANIC CERTIFICATION will be made available by DFA by Jan 1, 2020, federal law permitting. (SB643, 19332.5(a))

APPELLATIONS OF ORIGIN T.he bureau MAY establish appellations of origin for cannabis grown in California. No product may be marketed as coming from a county where it was not grown. (SB643, 19332.5(b-d)).

FEES and FUNDING Each licensing authority shall establish a scale of application, licensing and renewal fees, based upon the cost of enforcement. Fees shall be scaled dependent on the size of the business. (AB 243, 19350 (c)). A Medical Marijuana Regulation and Safety Act Fund is established in the state treasury to receive fees and penalties assessed under the act. $10 million is allocated to DCA to begin operations, with the possibility of an additional operating loan of $10 million from the General Fund (AB 243, 19352). The Bureau shall use the fund for a grant program to assist in state and local agencies in enforcement and remediation of environmental impacts from cultivation. (AB 243, 19351)

COUNTY TAXATION Counties may levy a tax on the cultivating, dispensing, producing, processing, distributing, etc, of medical cannabis subject to standard voter approval requirements. (Many cities already exercise this authority, but the authority of counties to do so has been unclear heretofore). (SB 643, 19348)

Text of Medical Marijuana Regulation Safety Act (three parts):
AB 266 (Bonta/Cooley/Jones-Sawyer/Lackey)
AB 243 (Wood)
SB 643 (McGuire)

Sarah Armstrong, Directory of Industry Affairs for Americans for Safe Access, compiled this list of the deadlines in the bills:

July 1, 2015 – Date by which those claiming vertical integration had to be operating a vertically integrated business. (AB 266 Section 19328 (c1))

January 1, 2016 – date on which AB 266, AB 243 and SB 643 will take effect. (See: the end of the legislative summaries in all three bills)

January 1, 2016 – Beginning business operating date for cannabis businesses who are eligible for priority licensing. “In issuing licenses, the licensing authority shall prioritize any facility or entity that can demonstrate to the authority’s satisfaction that it was in operation and in good standing with the local jurisdiction by January 1, 2016.” (AB 266 Section 19321 (c))

March 1, 2016 – Date by which cultivation must be regulated by a locality: “If a city, county, or city and county does not have land use regulations or ordinances regulating or prohibiting the cultivation of marijuana, either expressly or otherwise under principles of permissive zoning, or chooses not to administer a conditional permit program pursuant to this section, then commencing March 1, 2016, the division shall be the sole licensing authority for medical marijuana cultivation applicants in that city, county, or city and county.” (AB 243 Section 19362.777 (c)(4))

January 1, 2017 - By January 1, 2017, the Division of Occupational Safety and Health shall convene an advisory committee to evaluate whether there is a need to develop industry-specific regulations related to the activities of facilities issued a licensee. (AB 266 Labor Code Amendment Sec. 7 147.5)

July 1, 2017 - By July 1, 2017, the advisory committee shall present to the board its findings and recommendations for consideration by the board. (AB 266 Labor Code Amendment Sec. 7 147.5)

July 1, 2017 - By July 1, 2017, the board shall render a decision regarding the adoption of industry-specific regulations pursuant to this section. (AB 266 Labor Code Amendment Sec. 7 147.5)

January 1, 2018 – “a facility or entity that is operating in compliance with local zoning ordinances and other state and local requirements on or before January 1, 2018, may continue its operations until its application for licensure is approved or denied pursuant to this chapter.” (AB 266 Section 19321 (c))

January 1, 2020 - Not later than January 1, 2020, the Department of Food and Agriculture in conjunction with the Bureau, shall make available a certified organic designation and organic certification program for medical marijuana, if permitted under federal law and the National Organic Program. (SB 643 Section 19332.5(a))

January 1, 2022 - Date by which the loan of up to $10,000,000. 00 from the general fund to establish the Medical Marijuana Regulation and Safety Act has to be repaid. If the fees collected by that time don’t repay the loan, they will begin using funds that come from imposing penalties to repay the loan. (AB 243 Section 19351 (b) (1))

March 1, 2023 - Beginning on March 1, 2023, and on or before March 1 of each following year, each licensing authority shall prepare and submit to the Legislature an annual report on the authority’s activities and post the report on the authority’s Internet Web Site. (AB 266 Section 19353)

January 1, 2026 – The date Type 10A Paragraph on licensing become inoperative “A Type 10A licensee may apply for a Type 6 or 7 state license and hold a 1, 1A, 1B, 2, 2A, 2B, 3, 3A, 3B, 4 or combination thereof if, under the 1, 1A, 1B, 2, 2A, 2B, 3, 3A, 3B, 4 or combination of licenses thereof, no more than four acres of total canopy size of cultivation by the licensee is occurring throughout the state during the period that the respective licenses are valid… This paragraph shall become inoperative on January 1, 2026.” ((AB 266 Section 19328 (a) (9))
January 1, 2026 – Date vertical integration section of AB 266 is repealed. (AB 266 Section 19328 (d))

 

[Chunkypigs]

A bunch of injunctions and lawsuits will be filed and they dont go into effect until 2018. The csaa can fix these bills and was written specifically to knee cap them!!! @csaa2016 who wants to donate and volunteer and make it happen?

Amma and CCC are already set to launch lawsuits and injunctions
**

Kneecap ROTFL…. you smoking 17 hour high LED weed Bro???
it's over. they threw in sort of a 2 year freebie but it's ending.

CA will be the first state with it's own weed state police force.
funded by the licensed corporate growers and your tax dollars.

They will check compliance with drones.

people in prisons will get paid $5 a week to spot pot plants in drone footage.

Butte county is showing what low tech compliance looks like and the pigs are winning already.

kneecap. what's kneecapped are unlicensed grows this size or larger…

I don't see any provision for caregivers to sell to dispensaries in the medical regs but if you can run 5-6 10 x 10's as a caregiver that's a pretty big grey hole.

also look at 4-5 adults each getting 10 x 10 area in a household could basically blow up any house indoors legally.

drone surveillance will have to allow for 4 adults maybe per household so 20 x 20 backyard plots might be tolerated…
or weed abatement officers might show up and rip you...

I think that 10 x 10 per adult beats CO's 3 flowering rule any day.

plant counts are history because of the large plant growers exploiting it for years.

I would love to see cannabis really legal but that's not going to happen now.

I can produce enough meds for me with plenty to share in 6 x 8 closet with 2 lights. 10 x 10 and no plant count ain't bad…

I would be living huge if I could safely run 8 lights at home in a 20 x 10 with no counts. should be as legal as tomatoes though.

 

[Sunfire]

Chunky pig you gotta be fucken kidding me right?!?!?! Wow ok roll over and give up if you want. The CCC and amma are serious and so are MANY other people in the state that know and understand politics and law. And on that note...

https://instagram.com/p/8qld5zt7Ja/

The csaa is ready to go! Print it, sign it, mail it in! Is was written in easy to understand language and fits on a single piece of paper! Let's destroy the bad bills together in 2016!

 

[FtLotG]

I don't understand why the further incentivize a black market.

This whole non-sense seems just like more shenanigans to justify a government money and power grab by making everything more complicated when it's not. The tighter they grip...

 

[kinesis]

Can anyone answer my questions on this thread?
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=314047