NEW.BOG Preservation Project.

[Pirate138]

Bog wrote this:

Most people love growing Lifesaver, Bogglegum, Bogbubble, Sweet Cindy, Blue Moon Rocks, Grape Punch, Sour Bubble or medley. Lifestar and Super Bubblegum as well as Sour LSD will be coming soon. There will always be something new but nothing will ever replace any BOG Strain. As always Satisfaction is Guaranteed because how else would I want you to be... BOG

 

[bambam]

Bogglegum X mystery would that be Lifesaver or sbbx3?? If so is that the mother your standing with?

 

[southwind]

stuff

stuff

Bog wrote this:

Most people love growing Lifesaver, Bogglegum, Bogbubble, Sweet Cindy, Blue Moon Rocks, Grape Punch, Sour Bubble or medley. Lifestar and Super Bubblegum as well as Sour LSD will be coming soon. There will always be something new but nothing will ever replace any BOG Strain. As always Satisfaction is Guaranteed because how else would I want you to be... BOG

Greetings;

Well BOG had alot of plans..and many testers were sent out [some never even mentioned on this site.]

Most of us assumed he was just selling off a back log of stock here [Seed boutique] and then would begin to move the new ones in, including several new hybrids.

But that never happened and he shut down completely.

Super Bubblegum may or may not have been the Giant pheno, with other traits that were different than Bogbubble.
I never saw a lineage for SOUR LSD.

It may or may not have been a LSD X SB hybrid.


Lifestar of course was released and a backcross was done

The Project has Lifestar BX 1 seeds.


I have been informed through channels that there may be availablility of some testers of types never officially announced.

But I have no idea when that may happen.

sw

 

[southwind]

Notes 8-21-08

Notes 8-21-08

Rec'd wood for veg cab.

Termites treated.
Will bomb treat b-room.

Spider mites continue? orthene was supposed to be sprayed. WAS IT?

odd use of nutrition and adds by partner[what ?why so much HH?] and silica,

silica at optimal at present, begin again at 1 week from today.


talk to L.

######

OTF :
sb begins bloom
b2, b9 begins bloom.

lsd no
thai no
swt 1.1 no

UPDATE after induced maximum Thai is going to full stage
also sweet tooth 1.1 significant change [up] in bract formation.

Thai is incurring greater node contraction and bract formation.

Sour Bubble begins in trichome[outer] fan , begin PMX at one week from today.



ph stable/nitro is gone. add dry.

to mobile.

order inj

ORDERED FLORAMITE rec'd 8-19

rec'd BMR clones.
Brugmansia trail of miticides begins 2nd group.

Ordered new Fungincide/ trial begins in one week.

tds pern? worth it.?

ls x sb slow/ last swb and b2 b9 slow.

add an grow.

add ej grow

DO MICROS.

break up pits.

LAST FERT HEAVY.

GROW: AN, EJ, PB,BGUAN,S GUAN,MG


ALL HOUSES.

WHEN PURP MAX?

PICKED CONTROLS.

LABELED

CUTTING TAKEN OF THAIS
GET CUT OF MALE!!!!

CALL P.

BM SEEMED TO STOP THAI.

SWT MUST BE SPRAYED IN NEXT WEEK.

LSD?? ALSO??

NO MORE TOPPING THIS 8-17 -08.

T LINES RUNNING FINE, NEW COVER GOOD.

TYVEK FOR SPRAY?

WHY IS POT BUG ACTIVE IF SPRAYED.

RUN INJECT MAY BE ABLE TO CONTROL WHAT IS HAPPENING THIS WAY, NO WAY TO KNOW WHY OR WHAT PART IS GIVING.

REDIG PITS NEXT TRIP.
GEAR UP FOR BLOOM.

GEAR UP SEEDS.

Finish veg cab this week, HTC will ETA SEPT.

kidney stones continue/infect is under control.

no other hosp stays this week.

better in gen.


road work cont..projected date sept 1.

send final seeds.
this week.

no more for this year.

ph in veg here is [not stable]

write again 'myname stitch]

attempt clear.

nitrogen storage/dessicant/

have to order slides for microscope.

?????????

end..

8-20-08.

pics follow.

 

[lpski420]

Well I tried posting this on another "BOG" thread and I guess this is the NEW bog thread so I'll post here now
:
I might as well "Chime" in on this.. I'm not on IC very much. Used to be on OG back in the day, spend most my time at another site.
I'm very interested in BOG's genetics. and am very lucky to have had the opportunity to meet him in person on a few different occasions. Much great things and Respect goes to this guy. Master of the Sour Bubble. I smoked some of BOG's SB FM bubble hash he made, and it completely Stucking Foned me. opens up that third eye.
tears, nose tingles, drool
Although I don't see him in person much anymore a close friend of mine visits him about once every couple of months.
To cut to the chase I was recently Gifted 23 Sour Bubble Bx4 seeds, and I still have about 4 or 5 Bx3 beans as well.. plus 10 grape punch. I will be starting these up around fall/winter.
There are 2 Sour Bubble Bx3's in flower right now. They are both similar structure to everything else I have seen. not very bushy (unless trained) . seems to like a longer veg time to yield. blah blah blah. I have access to more of bogs genetics, and would like to help in whatever way i can. I'll try to dig some pics up in the meantime.. and Well.. thats it for now.
pics are Blue moon rocks
Sour bubble ( hydro ) and
Bogglegum
grown organically in soil

 

[southwind]

thanks

thanks

Well I tried posting this on another "BOG" thread and I guess this is the NEW bog thread so I'll post here now
:
I might as well "Chime" in on this.. I'm not on IC very much. Used to be on OG back in the day, spend most my time at another site.
I'm very interested in BOG's genetics. and am very lucky to have had the opportunity to meet him in person on a few different occasions. Much great things and Respect goes to this guy. Master of the Sour Bubble. I smoked some of BOG's SB FM bubble hash he made, and it completely Stucking Foned me. opens up that third eye.
tears, nose tingles, drool
Although I don't see him in person much anymore a close friend of mine visits him about once every couple of months.
To cut to the chase I was recently Gifted 23 Sour Bubble Bx4 seeds, and I still have about 4 or 5 Bx3 beans as well.. plus 10 grape punch. I will be starting these up around fall/winter.
There are 2 Sour Bubble Bx3's in flower right now. They are both similar structure to everything else I have seen. not very bushy (unless trained) . seems to like a longer veg time to yield. blah blah blah. I have access to more of bogs genetics, and would like to help in whatever way i can. I'll try to dig some pics up in the meantime.. and Well.. thats it for now.
pics are Blue moon rocks
Sour bubble ( hydro ) and
Bogglegum
grown organically in soil


Looks great, I am not sure you can get PM's yet, but we will talk I hope.

Thanks for both your interest in and willingness to help.

For now, we are just keeping things stable mor or less, What we need the most is Bogglegum and ANY Sweet Cindys.

But then if we gte bad germ rates on GRAPE PUNCH etc al, then we will have to look for more.


Thank you again both for posting and wanting to help everyone out, we dont talk about trading clones or seeds here, but ia m sure that your efforts can be used by all.



sw

 

[Hal]

Hey Southwind....

Regarding your hunt for BOG genetics, are you interested in F1's of people's own crosses, or are you only interested in beans that originate from BOG himself?

I was reading another thread, and I think you mentioned that only BOG's own beans would do because of potential mistakes in other's F1 crosses. I can totally understand having the fear that when somebody sends you beans that are supposedly
Sourbubble x Sourbubble, there might have been some other pollen floating about that wasn't from a BOG plant, or not the correct BOG plant.

Just wondering, because I pm'd some folks who said they had made their own BOG crosses and had beans. These gonna work for ya?

 

[lpski420]

Well I tried posting this on another "BOG" thread and I guess this is the NEW bog thread so I'll post here now
:
I might as well "Chime" in on this.. I'm not on IC very much. Used to be on OG back in the day, spend most my time at another site.
I'm very interested in BOG's genetics. and am very lucky to have had the opportunity to meet him in person on a few different occasions. Much great things and Respect goes to this guy. Master of the Sour Bubble. I smoked some of BOG's SB FM bubble hash he made, and it completely Stucking Foned me. opens up that third eye.
tears, nose tingles, drool
Although I don't see him in person much anymore a close friend of mine visits him about once every couple of months.
To cut to the chase I was recently Gifted 23 Sour Bubble Bx4 seeds, and I still have about 4 or 5 Bx3 beans as well.. plus 10 grape punch. I will be starting these up around fall/winter.
There are 2 Sour Bubble Bx3's in flower right now. They are both similar structure to everything else I have seen. not very bushy (unless trained) . seems to like a longer veg time to yield. blah blah blah. I have access to more of bogs genetics, and would like to help in whatever way i can. I'll try to dig some pics up in the meantime.. and Well.. thats it for now.
pics are Blue moon rocks
Sour bubble ( hydro ) and
Bogglegum
grown organically in soil


Looks great, I am not sure you can get PM's yet, but we will talk I hope.

Thanks for both your interest in and willingness to help.

For now, we are just keeping things stable mor or less, What we need the most is Bogglegum and ANY Sweet Cindys.

But then if we gte bad germ rates on GRAPE PUNCH etc al, then we will have to look for more.


Thank you again both for posting and wanting to help everyone out, we dont talk about trading clones or seeds here, but ia m sure that your efforts can be used by all.



sw

I will work on posting more so i can access my pm's , Very busy this time of year.

 

[Hal]

Hey lipski420...

What you need is a brief jaunt into the Toker's Den! You can get yourself another 20 posts in 20 minutes. Might I suggest the "perpetual word association," thread, and the "Stoner's 4 words game," thread, as being ripe for the pickin.

No absolute need to post well thought out musings on the genetics of BOG's work every time

 

[Brother_Monk]

I made a bunch of bog sweetcindy99 .from 02-03 i have them in the freezer now .

You are known from way back bro.............open you r heart to this preservation please.........it will only come back 10 fold

 

[Brother_Monk]

Absofuckinloutely!! Here here! You deserve the accolades SW. Much to your eye! Respect where it's due bro!

Much love;



edit: That is why we chose you :friends: .....your un-common and fearless resolve towards what is true and righteous!!

SW.
I think you better get use to the fact that you are of but a chosen few that have kept your word on a project that no-one else stepped up for.

You have made yourself available to those in need and many who don't deserve it even at a time when you are not feeling your best. That to me, (and others) is a rare quality in people that is often not represented in an anonymous online setting, so I tend to listen and learn from what you say (teach) and do give a HUGE crap what you think and what your beliefs are.

The project will prove itself worthwhile and will bear fruit for you and those that believe in it.
(no pun intended)

 

[southwind]

Notes 8-23-08

Notes 8-23-08

Thank you all for encouraging words.

Notes:



Notes from 2007.

Had the fortune to have some plain 'vanilla' DNA protein profiles of some hybrids to get an idea of what we are looking at with especially Sour Bubble.

Before anyone gets into a tizzy about it, try to understand that unless one has access to a much more expensive DNA testing facility one cannot get an absolute INDIVIDUAL fingerprint on a single plant.

It has been done on a an acacia[I think it was acacia] inthe Southwest desert for a murder trial, that is one instance I know of for sure.
They were able to type that EXACT tree down to some leaves that had fallen in the bed of the suspects pichup.

I have not had and will not have in the forseeable future that LEVEL of DNA test.

But I did have access to a test that is accurate for Genus, species. LL

And for some other data.

The results were transmitted to me via a breakdown of that data, rather than the actual electrophoretic plates which have the company logo on them and would be in bad tatse and stupid for security reasons.

The data was able to test the original progeny from original BOG seeds, and compare to the progeny of the 'F2' generation..i.e. Lifesaver X Lifesaver etc .al.

The result was similar enough on a genetic protein profile to be encouraging
in that it should result in F2 progeny that is [essentially] as close to BOG original seeds as possible, with out recreating his hybrids by breeding the original parental stock again.

Which is not only impossible but would still result in slightly different hybrids.

EXAMPLE:

In breeding my 'double flowered pink' holly hock I found a remarkable specimen
in the progeny.

The original parents were:

SLIGHTLY DOUBLE BURGUNDY HOLLY HOCK
X
DOUBLE LIGHT PINK HOLLY HOCK

What I wanted was more pink or burgundy into a double flower.

I needed 2 doubles to ensure best chance for double progeny[double is recessive]

and burgundy is dominant, so I needed to 'tone it down' with a LIGHT pink.

The result was many doubles with mostly burgundy color, some single burgundy, some single darker pink, and a few NICELY DOUBLE DARK PIN WITH BURGUNDY CENTERS.

SUCCESS!!

NOW THE EXAMPLE:

in doing that same cross AGAIN WITH SAME PARENTS, I got many double pink with burgundy centers

some single pink
some double pink
some single burgundy
some odd half double darker pink.

So as you can see, crossing the EXACT SAME PLANTS 2 TIMES may result in different hybrids.

and so even if we have BOGs original parents it might take us a few tries to get close to what he actually released.

And of course we do not have nor ever will have his original stock.

BUt we can get REMARKABLY CLOSE by crossing his progeny..i.e. Lifesaver X Lifesaver..etc al.


The only other result that we gained in testing was a baseline on some very old 'pure' Sativas from Thailand and some 'pure' Indicas from Afghanistan.

Both circa 1977.

We hope that they had never had an opportunity to be crossed at that point in time as the sites from which they arose were remote.

third less important but interesting result was the presence of Polyploid material.

Which can be seen by the experienced eye[not mine] on electrophoretic 16 stage panel.]]

As typical in first gen survivors extra large leaf progeny is common, but with incidence of extra large stalk/trunk/and or defects.

Subsequent progeny BX to non treated specimens can reduce defects.

end notes,

8-23-08



[notes to s..plate #26 low reg. chromosome polyploidy large packet ]



Sour Bubble pheno 'A''

 

[olddrifter66]

Incredible research and report. Love the details.....

 

[southwind]

Mitosis and Meiosis/recombination

Mitosis and Meiosis/recombination

Mitosis and Meiosis
What is Mitosis?
Mitosis produces two daughter cells that are identical to the parent cell. If the parent cell is haploid (N), then the daughter cells will be haploid. If the parent cell is diploid, the daughter cells will also be diploid.
N  N
2N  2N
This type of cell division allows multicellular organisms to grow and repair damaged tissue.

Summary of the Phases of Mitosis
The drawings below show chromosome movement and alignment in a cell from a species of animal that has a diploid number of 8. As you view the drawings, keep in mind that humans have a diploid number of 46.




Interphase
Chromosomes are not visible because they are uncoiled




Prophase
The chromosomes coil.
The nuclear membrane disintegrates.
Spindle fibers (microtubles) form.
The drawing shows a cell with 8 chromosomes. Each chromosome has 2 chromatids for a total of 16 chromatids.




Metaphase
The chromosomes become aligned.
The drawing shows a cell with 8 chromosomes. Each chromosome has 2 chromatids for a total of 16 chromatids.




Anaphase
The chromatids separate; the number of chromosomes doubles.
The drawing shows a cell with 16 chromosomes. Each chromosome has 1 chromatid for a total of 16 chromatids.

[BREAK IN NOTE 8-23-08 WILL CONTINUE ANOTHER TIME..]

What is of value to us in the above post about BOG seeds, is that in breeding togther BOGs ORIGINAL parental stock we will not necessarily get the same recombination of genes to result in DUPLICATES of his hybrids..after all do the same parents , if they have 6 children have 6 DUPLICATE children?

Of course not.

Think of it this way:

Put 10 dice in a dice cup and shake em..dump them out..

what numbers do you get ?

now do it again.

are they the same?


This is a fast and loose example of genetic recombination.

Although certain rules apply and certain predictions can be made by a statistical analysis.

Which can be rather complex.


;;;;;break;;;;

10:43 pm pst.

 

[lpski420]

asked friend to ask BOG about some sweet cindy. he says "don't grow it because it can hermie" not sure if this is something he's just saying, but doesn't look like i'm getting any sweet cindy, can get more sour bubble and trying for more bogglegum also

 

[southwind]

Mitosis and Meiosis[continued]

Mitosis and Meiosis[continued]

Telophase
The cell divides into two.



The chromosomes uncoil.

The nucleus reforms.

The spindle apparataus disassembles.

The drawing shows a cell with 16 chromosomes. Each chromosome has 1 chromatid for a total of 16 chromatids.



G1 Interphase
The chromosomes have one chromatid.

The drawing shows two cells. Each cell has 8 chromosomes. Each chromosome has 1 chromatid for a total of 8 chromatids per cell.




G2 Interphase
The chromosomes have two chromatids each.

The drawing shows two cells. Each cell has 8 chromosomes. Each chromosome has 2 chromatids for a total of 16 chromatids per cell.


What is Meiosis?
Meiosis produces daughter cells that have one half the number of chromosomes as the parent cell.

2N ® N

Meiosis enables organisms to reproduce sexually. Gametes (sperm and eggs) are haploid.

Meiosis involves two divisions producing a total of four daughter cells.


Summary of the Phases of Meiosis
A cell undergoing meiosis will divide two times; the first division is meiosis 1 and the second is meiosis 2. The phases have the same names as those of mitosis. A number indicates the division number (1st or 2nd):

meiosis 1: prophase 1, metaphase 1, anaphase 1, and telophase 1

meiosis 2: prophase 2, metaphase 2, anaphase 2, and telophase 2

In the first meiotic division, the number of cells is doubled but the number of chromosomes is not. This results in 1/2 as many chromosomes per cell.

The second meiotic division is like mitosis; the number of chromosomes does not get reduced.



Prophase I
Homologous chromosomes become paired.

Crossing-over occurs between homologous chromosomes.


Crossing over



**********************
Metaphase I
Homologous pairs become aligned in the center of the cell.





The random alignment pattern is called independent assortment. For example, a cell with 2N = 6 chromosomes could have any of the alignment patterns shown below





Anaphase I
Homologous chromosomes separate






Telophase I
This stage is absent in some species






Interkinesis
Interkinesis is similar to interphase except DNA synthesis does not occur.

Prophase II




Metaphase II





Anaphase II






Telophase II





Daughter Cells





*********************************************

And that is it..once you study this for awhle you begin to see how all these things come together.


Here are some photos of what the real thing is like in animals and te allium plant [onion relatives]

 

[southwind]

Outdoor Test Facility

Outdoor Test Facility

Hello
checking in...notes..
OTF:
As all but some swt is fully in bloom phase have added eb bloom, 0-10-10
2-8-5 lilly,kelp meal, approx 1/2 cup each.

extensiv yellow from leaf drop for bloom?'or hit w/urea?

thais treated w/ bm are THICK at tips, SUCCESS

Must treat sweet tooth.

internode on eastern plot is poor poor.

internode on west is excell

east were topped many times.

low light?

soil delta?

must increase dose of bm to stop this NOW.

more silic/mol/kelp to thick tips.

sour bubble , bogglegum size is hand around buds. [4 inch diameter]

MUST BE PREPARED FOR PM OTHER FUNGI NOW NOW NOW.

diamter of flowers is double expected mold will be increasingly problematic when humidity rises.

break notes due to health today 8-30.

 

[olddrifter66]

I love that thai....she's purty.

 

[Pirate138]

Im drooling over those flower pix SW. Sour bubble is such good meds for my migraines, bless.

 

[southwind]

Notes etc..

Notes etc..

8-31-09.

spray of BM to SWT 1.1 begins
re -app to THAI to STOP verticals.

NOTE
On Thai it appears to have ALMOST halted vert, but most interesting is thickness of tips.

untreated specs in another locat, have NOT thickened.
is it ALL BM or is it also Silica? plus Mollass/kelp/yuc/SBG.?

partner did not pick out controls as requested.

[this creates difficuly for me AGAIN]

w/o controls, notes on further from july 30 on hard to correlate.


as usual.

chose controls myself.
marked/tagged/

is SB yellow du bloom or is N too mobile w/ t-tape?

will try UREA at 45% N as top dress on yellow, will side by side.

SWT MARKED delta w/silic/m/sbg/yc/ very much increase in node spc. and tip strength.

maybe answer for collap prob w/swt.

Life saver/diesel is NOT looking as diffi as SWT or Thai.

MUST SPRAY w/ coll ascophyllum extract side by side.

SB flower size is already becoming problematic.

SM must be ERRRADICATED BEFORE any more dmage to [bloom fans occurs, this is providing a platform for the molds/pms/

unsure if partner actaully sprayed for mites as mite activity apperas same.

if they cant do a simple tag on a plant can they be trusted to do spray and ferts as I would?

if no delta after HTC run, abandon this OTF.


SB in first 2 weeks , observed double top from excising bud tips...

approx 4 to 6 inch. w/ 2 months to go.

spray this week. for all pms, mold, use penet/////






























thicening occurring w/inc silica/BM//// other?