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NEW.BOG Preservation Project.
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Im glad i ran across this thread just got done reading all of the posts and i gave me a smile except hearing one of our friends in here isnt doing well i hope them kidneys start working better. I didnt get a chance to try all of the bogs gear but i did grow out lifesaver and that was the best medicine i ever had even some of my friends that are heavy duty smokers were in awe!! I sure hope this preservation project works out because ill be first in line thats for sure peace and get well southwind!!
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You are mistaken, the Lifestar bx1 is a back cross to the lifesaver., thanks again southwind 
I asked your same question around page 8....I do not think BOG ever made it to the final back cross he was planning on.
Originally Posted by Kinderfeld
Well I guess this would be the place to ask... I have some lifestar bx1 beans here and was wondering if they were back-crossed to Lifesaver parent or the Sensi Star.... I believe its the SS but I forget, any help would be appreciated thanks!
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I asked your same question around page 8....I do not think BOG ever made it to the final back cross he was planning on.whizzard said:Being the BOG preservation project thread I thought it appropriate to pose my question here in regards to a BOG strain. By the way Southwind I think you are doing a great thing and hope to help where I can if needed. Anyway on to the question:
Back in Feb. of this year I picked up some of BOG's Lifestar BX1 from Seedbay. The description of the seeds were as follows:
"Incredible F1 hybrid created with Lifesaver crossed with Sensi Star. This represents the 1st Backcross. "
If I am to understand this correctly this would mean a female Lifesaver was pollinated by a male Sensi Star, seeds made creating F1 Hybrid, then the original female Lifesaver mother plant was pollinated by a select male from the Lifestar Hybrid seeds created representing the "first backcross"? If this is all correct then here is where I get confused. I grew 10 of the 12 seeds I received out and selected a fine male and female to represent the plant structure I liked the best. Tight, hard, frosty nug's on the girl and a very resinous male. I pollinated the selected female Lifestar with the select Lifestar male and made a handfull of seed. I started 20 seeds and have 12 up right now. What do I call the progeny of this strain now?
BOG Lifestar BX1 F1, Lifestar F2? ...? I don't know. So if all you good experts in this wonderful hobby of ours could help me out a little I would appreciate it very much. Sorry for the long winded post, but it is confusing to me.
Originally Posted by Kinderfeld
Well I guess this would be the place to ask... I have some lifestar bx1 beans here and was wondering if they were back-crossed to Lifesaver parent or the Sensi Star.... I believe its the SS but I forget, any help would be appreciated thanks!
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southwind said:Hello Kinderfeld and all:
This is from BOG about LifeStar linneage:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=16593&page=2&pp=15&highlight=lifestar
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Lifestar Bx 1 not F1. Lifestar was originally made using pollen from Sensi star (Paradise Seeds) to cross to my Lifesaver female. These seeds were grown and a mom was selected. This mom was then pollenated with Select Sativa Pheno Lifesaver pollen bx'ing the selected clone to make the first bx seeds.
An inbreeding is being done to select for yield and growth characteristics and the strain will be released as a finished 2nd bx if all goes well. I may call it Lifestar 2x2. BOG
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So it looks like this:
Lifesaver was pollenated by Sensistar male.
Sensistar X LifeSaver
SS X LS
= "LifeStar"
these were grown and a female "LifeStar" was selected and pollenated to a Lemon Sativa LifeSaver male.
LifeStar X Lemon Lifesaver
[or taxonomy in mind, male goes first]
Lemon Lifesaver Male X LifeStar= LifeStar BX1
SO ITS Lifesaver NOT SensiStar BX
Sorry for mix up and taking so long
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Wow, that sure add's to the excitement. Thanks Kinderfield & SW. So the Lifestar BX 1 seed's would actually be 75% Lifesaver and 25% Sensi Star due to the backcross using the Male Lemon Lifesaver and female Lifestar BX1 , correct? That would explain my earlier statement about my pheno leaning towards Lifesaver. 
Still stuck on the naming of the seed's I created though, especially now. Here's how I see it:
The original Lifesaver female was crossed to a male Sensi Star thus creating Lifestar which would be a F1 Hybrid.
The Lifestar F1 Hybrid was grown, and a female was selected and pollinated by a "different" Lifesaver ("Lemon Sativa Pheno.") Male. This created Lifestar BX1, but to me it would again become an F1 due to the backcross using a new/different Lifesaver Male making it Lifestar BX1 F1.
The original Lifestar BX1 seed's actually released/sold (the one's I purchased) in my mind would be Lifestar BX1 F1 Hybrid.
Now, again in my mind, Lifestar BX1 F1 grown out and as I did select a male and female, pollinated and made seed's, the seed's made would become Lifestar BX1 F2.
Why is the naming so important to me? Well, I believe if I am correct in this long winded explanation/question then the picture below would be F2's and my next seed run should produce F3's which will give me the greatest strain diversity. So I guess it's a matter of is this my last seed run to get to F3 or do I have 2 run's left? It's more complicated than that, but that's where I am leaving it for now.
Name that strain...
14 BOG Lifestar BX1 F??? Seedlings sucking up the sun. Around 2 weeks old.
Still stuck on the naming of the seed's I created though, especially now. Here's how I see it:
The original Lifesaver female was crossed to a male Sensi Star thus creating Lifestar which would be a F1 Hybrid.
The Lifestar F1 Hybrid was grown, and a female was selected and pollinated by a "different" Lifesaver ("Lemon Sativa Pheno.") Male. This created Lifestar BX1, but to me it would again become an F1 due to the backcross using a new/different Lifesaver Male making it Lifestar BX1 F1.
The original Lifestar BX1 seed's actually released/sold (the one's I purchased) in my mind would be Lifestar BX1 F1 Hybrid.
Now, again in my mind, Lifestar BX1 F1 grown out and as I did select a male and female, pollinated and made seed's, the seed's made would become Lifestar BX1 F2.
Why is the naming so important to me? Well, I believe if I am correct in this long winded explanation/question then the picture below would be F2's and my next seed run should produce F3's which will give me the greatest strain diversity. So I guess it's a matter of is this my last seed run to get to F3 or do I have 2 run's left? It's more complicated than that, but that's where I am leaving it for now.
Name that strain...
14 BOG Lifestar BX1 F??? Seedlings sucking up the sun. Around 2 weeks old.
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Laughing Jim
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Glad to know that peeps are keeping BOG's strains alive. 
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vinnystallion said:
There are a few packs of Lifesaver F2s for sale over at http://cwbay.com/auction/index.php?
Meduser still has a few BOG strains left.
Happy trails!
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southwind
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Its LIFESAVER time
Its LIFESAVER time
Hello all,
Sorry for the delays in responses and to all who PM'd I will try to get to you..
Okay in this post I will be addressing LIFESAVER the LSD and Sour Bubbles and a new BOGGLEGUM I will get to in a later post..but they are doing GREAT.
As you may know we have a very very good LIFESAVER male which I have preserved in cuttings and have the original male flowering right now which I am going to use to make some crosses of other BOG types, just for fun..LIFESAVER X SOUR BUBBLE, LIFESAVER X LSD etc.
Partly I wanted to see where we were with our 4 Phenotypes of LIFESAVER before we made seeds and partly I have been so ill with Kidney disease that the male went late into flower and I could not pollenate 3 of the phenos finishing now. I will be pollenating the LEMOM LIFESAVER with our purple LIFESAVER male though.
So some photos..
LIFESAVER PHENO 1 AND 3
LEFT TO RIGHT
PHENO 1
PHENO 3
PHENO 2
PHENO 3
PHENO 1
Its LIFESAVER time
Hello all,
Sorry for the delays in responses and to all who PM'd I will try to get to you..
Okay in this post I will be addressing LIFESAVER the LSD and Sour Bubbles and a new BOGGLEGUM I will get to in a later post..but they are doing GREAT.
As you may know we have a very very good LIFESAVER male which I have preserved in cuttings and have the original male flowering right now which I am going to use to make some crosses of other BOG types, just for fun..LIFESAVER X SOUR BUBBLE, LIFESAVER X LSD etc.
Partly I wanted to see where we were with our 4 Phenotypes of LIFESAVER before we made seeds and partly I have been so ill with Kidney disease that the male went late into flower and I could not pollenate 3 of the phenos finishing now. I will be pollenating the LEMOM LIFESAVER with our purple LIFESAVER male though.
So some photos..
LIFESAVER PHENO 1 AND 3
LEFT TO RIGHT
PHENO 1
PHENO 3
PHENO 2
PHENO 3
PHENO 1
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southwind
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LIFESAVER
LIFESAVER
More PHENO 2
The big problem with number 2 is that the buds are overly dense..it needs to be placed directly in front of the fans to not mold. The only thing I can compare it to is SOUR BUBBLE in density.
It sounds like a luxury problem, but it is still a problem..
the aroma of number 2 is very pungent, and sour..there is some fruity over tones, but its very strong and sharp. its a very good smell. the flowers are heavily dense and the yield is way above average..its one of those BIG BIG LIFESAVERS we used to see from BOG on OG.
Very sticky.
Number 3 is beyond belief BLUEBERRY, it just smells up the whole house when you move it at all, very very purple lavendar, big plant, big leaves, big buds but not as heavy as number 2.
alot of resin production late in flower as all the LIFESAVERS I have seen.
It does not frost up as soon as BOGGLEGUM.
LIFESAVER
More PHENO 2
The big problem with number 2 is that the buds are overly dense..it needs to be placed directly in front of the fans to not mold. The only thing I can compare it to is SOUR BUBBLE in density.
It sounds like a luxury problem, but it is still a problem..
the aroma of number 2 is very pungent, and sour..there is some fruity over tones, but its very strong and sharp. its a very good smell. the flowers are heavily dense and the yield is way above average..its one of those BIG BIG LIFESAVERS we used to see from BOG on OG.
Very sticky.
Number 3 is beyond belief BLUEBERRY, it just smells up the whole house when you move it at all, very very purple lavendar, big plant, big leaves, big buds but not as heavy as number 2.
alot of resin production late in flower as all the LIFESAVERS I have seen.
It does not frost up as soon as BOGGLEGUM.
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Great to see you back and kickin southwind keep up the good work love the pics.
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Hi Southwind
Excellent job with those Lifesavers. I remember a few years back growing Lifesaver along side a strain called Pure Light (Northern Lights) and through mid flower it was hard to tell them apart. Not alot of frost early, but the finish product was great.
I love the idea of Lifesaver x Sour Bubble just for fun, or anything x Sour Bubble. I have about 60-80 Sour Bubble f2 seeds from a killer mom x 3 SB males. Lets see what happens when I pop them this winter. I am working on prep for that project right now.
Hmmmm Sour Bubble X Sweet Cindy 99 sounds interesting to me. BOG crossed his Bubblegum with SC99, why not his Sour Bubblegum with it (just for fun). I am still working with Sour Bubble x Grape Punch also. That Grape Punch (Orange Bogglegum x Lifesaver) has turned out to be interesting. Great breeding lines, great yield and excellent results.
If I can enjoy at least a few more seasons of BOG genetics I will be very satisfied. I think that should be accomplished easy. If all goes well I should have plenty of seeds if you know what I mean. I usually hope for the best, and am rarely disapointed. The Sour Bubble seems to be a promising breeder, at least several generations hopefully.
Excellent job with those Lifesavers. I remember a few years back growing Lifesaver along side a strain called Pure Light (Northern Lights) and through mid flower it was hard to tell them apart. Not alot of frost early, but the finish product was great.
I love the idea of Lifesaver x Sour Bubble just for fun, or anything x Sour Bubble. I have about 60-80 Sour Bubble f2 seeds from a killer mom x 3 SB males. Lets see what happens when I pop them this winter. I am working on prep for that project right now.
Hmmmm Sour Bubble X Sweet Cindy 99 sounds interesting to me. BOG crossed his Bubblegum with SC99, why not his Sour Bubblegum with it (just for fun). I am still working with Sour Bubble x Grape Punch also. That Grape Punch (Orange Bogglegum x Lifesaver) has turned out to be interesting. Great breeding lines, great yield and excellent results.
If I can enjoy at least a few more seasons of BOG genetics I will be very satisfied. I think that should be accomplished easy. If all goes well I should have plenty of seeds if you know what I mean. I usually hope for the best, and am rarely disapointed. The Sour Bubble seems to be a promising breeder, at least several generations hopefully.
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Nice work on the preservation project. I wish people would do this with more of the finer strains out there.
I just popped 3/3 Lifesaver beans a few days ago. The seeds were 2+ years old. The seedlings are every bit as vigorous as the 4/4 that were germed when I first got them. I think that this stands as a testament to the quality of Bogs work. Needless to say I was pretty happy with the results! Now if I can find a nice specimen to cross with one of my Sandstorm/Maple Leaf Indica F1's. And of course make some Lifesaver F2's/S1's.
I just popped 3/3 Lifesaver beans a few days ago. The seeds were 2+ years old. The seedlings are every bit as vigorous as the 4/4 that were germed when I first got them. I think that this stands as a testament to the quality of Bogs work. Needless to say I was pretty happy with the results! Now if I can find a nice specimen to cross with one of my Sandstorm/Maple Leaf Indica F1's. And of course make some Lifesaver F2's/S1's.
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southwind
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Gearing up
Gearing up
Hello all, its update time and also SEED MAKING TIME.
Here we go Lifesaver Lemon Pheno just pollenated by Lifesaver Purple MAle #4.
Lifesaver Purple Male pollen.
Lifesaver Purple MAle
And here we go wIth SOUR BUBBLE BX4 MALE
SOUR BUBBLE BX4 POLLEN
and a ORIGINAL NON F2 FEMALE SBBX3 POLLENATED BY SBBX4 ORIGINAL MALE
Gearing up
Hello all, its update time and also SEED MAKING TIME.
Here we go Lifesaver Lemon Pheno just pollenated by Lifesaver Purple MAle #4.
Lifesaver Purple Male pollen.
Lifesaver Purple MAle
And here we go wIth SOUR BUBBLE BX4 MALE
SOUR BUBBLE BX4 POLLEN
and a ORIGINAL NON F2 FEMALE SBBX3 POLLENATED BY SBBX4 ORIGINAL MALE
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southwind
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Bog seeds LSD
Bog seeds LSD
Here are some photos of 2 phenos of LSD one is shorter and stout and is frosting up faster than just about anything else I have grown..way out onto the fans also..
there is also a very branchy , very sativa pheno that is nute sensitive., it is one of those weird hard to control branchy wild phenos I have seen on this site and other sites..it was hard to get it under control in my space. the stouter ones dont mind extra nutes at all and are easier to train..but I am thinking maybe the unruly one is more diesel.
This is the more sativa budded pheno
and this is the very resinous stouter pheno..
sativa-ish pheno
Bog seeds LSD
Here are some photos of 2 phenos of LSD one is shorter and stout and is frosting up faster than just about anything else I have grown..way out onto the fans also..
there is also a very branchy , very sativa pheno that is nute sensitive., it is one of those weird hard to control branchy wild phenos I have seen on this site and other sites..it was hard to get it under control in my space. the stouter ones dont mind extra nutes at all and are easier to train..but I am thinking maybe the unruly one is more diesel.
This is the more sativa budded pheno
and this is the very resinous stouter pheno..
sativa-ish pheno
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Nice grow Southwind,
I couldn't help following this thread after my own history with some of BOG's stuff.
A friend and I just recently started off some Bogbubble f2's which have reverted to something incredible. The orginial f1 beans bought from Gypsy more than 2 years ago were miniscual in size like tiny pin dots and I doubted their ability to grow on account of their size. They grew sativaish all the way, consistent with good compact bud but they were slow in veg and grew on a whisp of a stalk, nothing to write home about as plants.
The f2's are just as consistent looking but totally indica, short and squat, exceeding everything else in the garden in veg, with chunky main stems that are so hairy they resemble the fur of an animal.
The contrast between these and THSeeds Bubblegum is incredible, the Bogbubbles being the winning specimens in every vegetative regard, hands down.
Hope to get some pics on shortly
I couldn't help following this thread after my own history with some of BOG's stuff.
A friend and I just recently started off some Bogbubble f2's which have reverted to something incredible. The orginial f1 beans bought from Gypsy more than 2 years ago were miniscual in size like tiny pin dots and I doubted their ability to grow on account of their size. They grew sativaish all the way, consistent with good compact bud but they were slow in veg and grew on a whisp of a stalk, nothing to write home about as plants.
The f2's are just as consistent looking but totally indica, short and squat, exceeding everything else in the garden in veg, with chunky main stems that are so hairy they resemble the fur of an animal.
The contrast between these and THSeeds Bubblegum is incredible, the Bogbubbles being the winning specimens in every vegetative regard, hands down.
Hope to get some pics on shortly
