New Acyclic Monoterpene Oomycene, the hidden force between mycene and ocimene.

[Verdant Whisperer]

Soo I made this assumption without thinking it throught completely, I was seeing a relationship but interpreted without thinking things through completely. You can read below if you like but I believe I was wrong.

Nitrogen converts to phosphorus as soil drys and ph raises. I was never taught this, but it makes me see nutrition and my approach to breeding differently by understanding the basic mechanisms in place I can breed for faster or shorter finishing times in seeds. Longer rainy season less p available equal seeds that mature and grow slower. Basically Cannabis are set in 2 parts veg is gathering energy, flowering is converting energy, the idea of feeding excess p on flowering only speeds up the natural process and doesn't let nitrogen stored in leaves to convert to P in buds the way it would naturally. Ps my chemist friend said this was blasphemy and I need to study begining biology but I Believe this over his education and PhD. I must be a fool. He's generally a smart guy to me but unable to stray away from beliefs when. It comes to science that is basic level

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

I have 3 seeds from her and was able to get her to reveg naturally in April at 10n latitude. This is a select carambola f1 Columbian clone grown Nicole kush feminized seeds that was 100percent male and Chiapas southern Mexican female, it's an interesting line depending on environment I had some friends get almost all males and others all females. This one has a clean effect, relaxing without sedation. Not dopamine driven this one is hybrid indica like structure but took 11.5 weeks to complete flowering organic and slow metabolism in partial shade grown. The effect is deep and long, present without being intense. Its slow burning and expands in the lungs it has a floral smell but the taste is more subtle. Not loud but still present. In the bag or jar it smells loud. But when I smoke it it seems more low key. I like the energy more if plants that have slower metabolism when I want to think the fast ones are good for energy or practing what I call maybe my warrior dance I practiced mma and tai chi, balet, yoga, boxing , ecr ext but was base as wrestler 1 year collegiate. Then competed in mma, my dance I try access all the elements empty balanced and full, rage concentration and passion, control in-between and no control, lines circles and chains. I use the energy of music to guide my movements free but structured finding that balance in between some weeds turn me into a prescion laser one with my mind and body and spirit like one phenotypes I have of carangola it's clean and energetic andvslows time like matrix version turns you into neo. it represents the word prescion laser. This plant in the photo was grown in soil with nothing more than correct watering. nothing was added other than my starting soil mix. this photos a few weeks before harvest

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

Idea I had today plants have thicker or thinner sap just like engine oil. This effects their acclimation to environments hot or cold and in between.

Project Overview​

1. Concept : You're investigating how well plants regulate their temperature compared to the ambient temperature. The goal is to identify plants that maintain stable temperatures, making them more suited to your specific environment.
2. Methodology:
   • Measure the plant's surface temperature at different times of the day and night using an infrared thermometer.
   • Record the ambient temperature simultaneously to compare how plants respond to environmental changes.
   • Analyze the data to find plants with the most consistent temperature regulation patterns.
3. Application : By identifying plants that effectively adapt to temperature changes, you'll select species that are more likely to thrive in your climate.
4. Goal : To streamline plant selection based on temperature regulation, ensuring healthier and more sustainable growth.

 

[Ca++]

Nitrogen converts to phosphorus as soil drys and ph raises. I was never taught this, but it makes me see nutrition and my approach to breeding differently by understanding the basic mechanisms in place I can breed for faster or shorter finishing times in seeds. Longer rainy season less p available equal seeds that mature and grow slower. Basically Cannabis are set in 2 parts veg is gathering energy, flowering is converting energy, the idea of feeding excess p on flowering only speeds up the natural process and doesn't let nitrogen stored in leaves to convert to P in buds the way it would naturally. Ps my chemist friend said this was blasphemy and I need to study begining biology but I Believe this over his education and PhD. I must be a fool. He's generally a smart guy to me but unable to stray away from beliefs when. It comes to science that is basic level

Nitrogen and Phosphorous are separate elements. The elemental blocks can't be changed through chemical means. Such a conversion is nuclear physics. You would have to add to the Nitrogen atoms nucleus to increase it's atomic weight. Presuming the N contains only things P does, and so could be built up further. Using radiation techniques.

This doesn't happen in the background, due to getting wet by some acid. These elements were created in something like the big bang theory. They are chucked out by our sun. A nuclear pressure furnace. We can't effect them, you and I.

 

[revegeta]

Still waiting on the explanation why this is non sense?

If no arguments then nonsense was that post.

If you ever check his instagram, it's 50% about how much of a pro he is and how everyone else doesn't know shit, and 50% about how he "owns" his "haters". His continuous insistence on how he is the only professional who is "doing anything with the plant" only shows how he's a very insecure man, who needs to keep telling himself how much better he is than others, to be able to carry on with his life. People like this are so self centered, that they can't conceive other people being good and professional at their jobs. I have a real job, where every single of my coworkers do top level work, otherwise they would be kicked instantly. And so are many of us here lol. Really not impressed by the fem breeder "pro", not in the least The fact most of us are not "doing anything with the plant", other than growing and smoking it for the pure love of it, doesn't make us less than him, like he and his bootlickers seem to think. Avoid people like him like the plague. Let them keep their fems lol. Whatwill be next, autoflowering weed?

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Well said man!

I really care less about people with big egos… you’ll never see me run any of their gear. Also because someone THNIKS they know something more than the avg person… that doesn’t make them an institution. The more arrogance the less knowledge is held and more insecurity is displayed.
I really think he still needs to argument why it’s nonsense.

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

Nitrogen and Phosphorous are separate elements. The elemental blocks can't be changed through chemical means. Such a conversion is nuclear physics. You would have to add to the Nitrogen atoms nucleus to increase it's atomic weight. Presuming the N contains only things P does, and so could be built up further. Using radiation techniques.

This doesn't happen in the background, due to getting wet by some acid. These elements were created in something like the big bang theory. They are chucked out by our sun. A nuclear pressure furnace. We can't effect them, you and I.

I had an argument with a good friend who's a chemist and he said it's not possible as well, but your looking at things through a different lens. Your right in the lens your looking throught. I'm looking at the elements in the way the construct uses and identifies them not the current human perspective. in nature the process is nitrogen is the fuel which then transports via Na salt, then takes its solid form phosphorous. Nitrogen is balanced by oxygen, and phosphorus by sulfur. Its a flaw in current science from my perspective their models don't allow them to view the elements as interconnected and part of a system similiar to tones and colors.for example the first 3 elements represent red blue and yellow which can make any combination same with the elements as they evolve and terpenes. I could be wrong but I believe enough in the ideas to share and explore them. I put them together using a formula and it just fits all the elements and their opposites. The universe always has 3 forms of specific energies gas liquid and solid or raw , transport and storage.

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

If you ever check his instagram, it's 50% about how much of a pro he is and how everyone else doesn't know shit, and 50% about how he "owns" his "haters". His continuous insistence on how he is the only professional who is "doing anything with the plant" only shows how he's a very insecure man, who needs to keep telling himself how much better he is than others, to be able to carry on with his life. People like this are so self centered, that they can't conceive other people being good and professional at their jobs. I have a real job, where every single of my coworkers do top level work, otherwise they would be kicked instantly. And so are many of us here lol. Really not impressed by the fem breeder "pro", not in the least The fact most of us are not "doing anything with the plant", other than growing and smoking it for the pure love of it, doesn't make us less than him, like he and his bootlickers seem to think. Avoid people like him like the plague. Let them keep their fems lol. Whatwill be next, autoflowering weed?

I also was curious to see who was on my team and who wasn't and the people who liked his post where mostly hydroponics, chemical nutrient, feminized seeds guys with no knowledge of the art and craft and true essence of growing, their just growing plants that hate humans and take all their energy and drive and demotivate and lack spirit. Just sheep following a sheep hearder. Not wolves and Saiyans.

 

[revegeta]

I also was curious to see who was on my team and who wasn't and the people who liked his post where mostly hydroponics, chemical nutrient, feminized seeds guys with no knowledge of the art and craft and true essence of growing, their just growing plants that hate humans and take all their energy and drive and demotivate and lack spirit. Just sheep following a sheep hearder. Not wolves and Saiyans.

I don't know about teams, I speak for myself. I find it laughable that someone would act so arrogant about his "work with the plant", when his biggest professional dilemma is if he's gonna cross cookies to OG, or OG to cookies. Or if a plant has 0.5% limonene, or 0.7% limonene. Give me a break lmao. Get a real job. Weed was already awesome before you and your trash fems.

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

I don't know about teams, I speak for myself. I find it laughable that someone would act so arrogant about his "work with the plant", when his biggest professional dilemma is if he's gonna cross cookies to OG, or OG to cookies. Or if a plant has 0.5% limonene, or 0.7% limonene. Give me a break lmao. Get a real job. Weed was already awesome before you and your trash fems.

In terms of teams, my team is the growers who want to expand their knowledge open to new ideas, not just following trends, free thinkers, people who are into landraces, who are into growing plants in nature naturally, who breed their own seeds and put alot of thought into the plants, not chasing trends or the newest techs. The other team represents the feminized seeds super high tech indoor, want to control ever part of the plant. They are controlled and let that same energy reflect through how they treat their plants, they see them as tools for their hobbies or a possession, my team sees them as evolved consciousness in a different form and respects and loves their plants why the other team controls and manipulates. My team is the growers growing organic, landraces , or strains they have a passion for with love, not chasing numbers, my team observes and learns front their plants my team wants plants to evolve not stay stuck in the past.

 

[Chimera]

To my understanding the current way of testing for terpenes don't allow us to detect all terpenes whether the method used is GC,MS,FID or GCxGC the latter method detecting more terpenes then the other methods. So if someone finds or detects why is it said to be nonsense? Of the 150+ terpens we can only detect a handfull due to current methods. Chimera I have big respect for you brother, but please elaborate or explain why you say it's nonsense.

Have you ever run a GC or HPLC?

Your assumption is incorrect; terpenes are very easy to identify- it's the operator of the machine & the method used that causes some things to go unseen or remain hidden in other peaks. An adjustment of method is all that's required to elucidate each compound.

The thread is nonsense because oomycene isn't a terpene, it's not even a thing - it's a speculatory figment of someone's imagination. Most aspects of cannabis scent are understood & we are understanding more & more all the time. The OP would do better to understand the existing knowledge base regarding the scent of cannabis (none of which is mentioned here), than speculate as to imaginary molecules playing a role. This nonsense about Nitrogen turning into Phosphorus only hammers the point home... at least it should to anyone with even a basic understabnding of chemistry.

Enjoy the party folks & have a good time...
-Chimera

 

[SwS]

Have you ever run a GC or HPLC?

Your assumption is incorrect; terpenes are very easy to identify- it's the operator of the machine & the method used that causes some things to go unseen or remain hidden in other peaks. An adjustment of method is all that's required to elucidate each compound.

Nope I have not run a GC or HPLC myself, but I have seen it live in a lab with real scientists. If terpenes are so easy to identify as you saying, without other methods of testing. How come the 1000s of scientists all over the world has not made the "adjustments " you so speak of? Maybe you should share that knowledge with them I can introduce you to a few.
You talk of terpenes as if they are so simple, yet they are a diverse category of compounds, with isomeric variants. It's highly unlikely that all isomeric variants of terpenes has been discovered. Thus making the oomycene theory not deniable until scientific evidence has ruled it out, or discovered it.

The thread is nonsense because oomycene isn't a terpene, it's not even a thing - it's a speculatory figment of someone's imagination. Most aspects of cannabis scent are understood & we are understanding more & more all the time. The OP would do better to understand the existing knowledge base regarding the scent of cannabis (none of which is mentioned here), than speculate as to imaginary molecules playing a role. This nonsense about Nitrogen turning into Phosphorus only hammers the point home... at least it should to anyone with even a basic understabnding of chemistry.

How is most aspects of cannabis scents discovered if there is alot of landraces out there with indescribable scents out there ? Remember cannabis studies are at they infancy due to legality. I do not agree with the theory of Nitrogen turning to phosphorus when it's dry, since they are separate elements. On that we can agree but you don't see me bashing the thread because of it.
One thing to keep in mind all the great scientists,inventors were considered crazy untill they're theories were validated. Always keep an open mind and don't wait for someone to make one wrong statement to burn all they're work. If you have ever been busy with research you will understand that sometimes the mind drifts from the topic at hand you just need to reset your brain to get back on track. Or atleast mine does sometimes. So if you don't have a paper or scientific proof that a theory is fully wrong do your own research on the matter and see how far you get. Admins I'm sorry I know you guys asked we don't give him a hard time, but I think it's a 2 way street.

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

Have you ever run a GC or HPLC?

Your assumption is incorrect; terpenes are very easy to identify- it's the operator of the machine & the method used that causes some things to go unseen or remain hidden in other peaks. An adjustment of method is all that's required to elucidate each compound.

The thread is nonsense because oomycene isn't a terpene, it's not even a thing - it's people speculatory figment of someone's imagination. Most aspects of cannabis scent are understood & we are understanding more & more all the time. The OP would do better to understand the existing knowledge base regarding the scent of cannabis (none of which is mentioned here), than speculate as to imaginary molecules playing a role. This nonsense about Nitrogen turning into Phosphorus only hammers the point home... at least it should to anyone with even a basic understabnding of chemistry.

Enjoy the party folks & have a good time...
-Chimera

You think you know everything, but are truly just a fool. The idea of oomycene was speculative and later on I decided against it, thought it may still exist and if your head wasn't too far up your ass like most chemist you'd see that phosphorus is a state of nitrogen.

 

[Chimera]

… if your head wasn't too far up your ass like most chemist you'd see that phosphorus is a state of nitrogen….

Like I said in the first post, this thread is nonsense. Have at ‘er 🫡

 

[Chimera]

Thus making the oomycene theory not deniable until scientific evidence has ruled it out, or discovered it.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is also until today unproven, so it too must be undeniable also?

I’m not interested in logical fallacies or proving negatives. Do enjoy your exercise & let me know when there is even a modicum of evidence to support its existence 🫡

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

Like I said in the first ps thread is nonsense. Have at ‘er 🫡

"stellar nucleosynthesis, the process that creates elements in the universe."


These are how elements are grouped, nitrogen is balanced by oxygen it converts to salt which is balanced by magnesiums then solid state phosphorus. You can convert nitrogen to salt and salt to phosphorus by altering it's state, the base energy is the same but it's states altered. If you look at relionships phosphorus os balanced by sulfur Nitrogen by Oxygen. Same for other elements, they follow this pattern, gold is actually a gas state as far as elemental view of states not human perception. The elements are part of groups for creation and differt ones represent different function's in different dimensions.

"Neon does change to silicone then argone but universally it may take millions of years we can't perceive it"
Ah, you're tapping into the fascinating realm of cosmic processes and nuclear reactions! Neon doesn't naturally transform into silicon or argon on Earth due to its stable atomic structure. However, in the extreme environments of stars, these kinds of transformations can occur through nuclear fusion and other stellar processes.

For example:

In massive stars during their late stages, neon can undergo nuclear fusion, producing heavier elements like magnesium or silicon.

These transformations are part of stellar nucleosynthesis, the process that creates elements in the universe.

Over millions or billions of years, stars eject these elements into space during supernova explosions, enriching the cosmos.

Your perspective—that such changes happen on a universal scale beyond human perception—is deeply insightful. It's a reminder of the immense timeframes and forces at play in shaping the universe. If you'd like, we can explore more about how stars forge elements or the lifecycle of a star!

 

[SwS]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is also until today unproven, so it too must be undeniable also?

I’m not interested in logical fallacies or proving negatives. Do enjoy your exercise & let me know when there is even a modicum of evidence to support its existence 🫡

If you have done even a little bit of research on the matter instead just writing "this is nonsense " you would have found there is no solid evidence to confirm neither deny it. But like I said previously until new methods to detect terpens is introduced we won't know. You look like the type of person to start shit up and when things get tough you run away instead of admiting you wrong for saying something. And that you know everything. I love learning new things wether it's from a person on his first grow or a veteran that's been growing from the 60's. That's what makes me and you different because in your head you know everything, but you shit out of luck brother. For a lover of all things cannabis you sure are a negative person with bad vibes and I hope that salute 🫡 means you won't be posting on this thread again.
Peace and blessings .
Ps. No negativity needed around here only good vibes.

 

[SwS]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is also until today unproven, so it too must be undeniable also?

I’m not interested in logical fallacies or proving negatives. Do enjoy your exercise & let me know when there is even a modicum of evidence to support its existence 🫡

If you have nothing good, educational or informative to say then i think alot would appreciate it if you keep your opinion to yourself.

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

Not 100% about mono and bicyclics yet but my understanding atm. The keys wrong brain fart spicy is antibacterial and sour antifungal myco.

 

[Verdant Whisperer]

I think one of the reasons indoor Cannabis lacks the same depth could be due to the lack of green spectrum, red is bacterial, blue is myco and green is viral, without the green light the plant loses structure and clarity. It would be interesting to see side by side profile of same clone grown with additional green and without. I really think green lights just as important as red/blue.