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I think one of the reasons indoor Cannabis lacks the same depth could be due to the lack of green spectrum, red is bacterial, blue is myco and green is viral, without the green light the plant loses structure and clarity. It would be interesting to see side by side profile of same clone grown with additional green and without. I really think green lights just as important as red/blue.
Bro the colour rabbit hole is deep, and it ties into everything from Light, Frequency and Nutrients etc. There is alot of material on different light colour spectrum having different effects on plants. I can link some studies if you'd like to read up. To simplify it all colours of the spectrum has a role to play in different parts of the plants metabolism. The plant is full of different photoreceptors, and each one has a role.
 

Verdant Whisperer

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Happy 4/20 I made a realizations thinking about humans and cannabis plants as far as myco bacterial relations it's something I look for everyday in anything I can find them now. And I noticed a trend. Red or feminine energy are equitorial blue or masculine energies doninante far from equator. They are blue energies. In humans the males in temperate regions are larger than females, masculine energy dominates this region, but if you think about equator the females in species are larger than males. So for my high amplitude more equitorial seeds I've seed big and small come from the same nugs I planted the small one in a pot and a big one just to see if hunch is right. It works both ways depending on location and outdoors. But I speculated the male seeds in ruderalis are larger than females and the female seeds in equitorial semi auto are larger than the males. Where more in between it may be harder to tell and especially with indoor seeds. But just from an extremes perspective I believe this is so. Look at northern European men size compared to same women now look at women in Kenya or ugandas size compared to same men. The women are larger because feminine energy dominates at equator. Basically in myco dominant environment is bigger males to females and bacterial is bigger females to males.
 
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Verdant Whisperer

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Nitrogen and Phosphorous are separate elements. The elemental blocks can't be changed through chemical means. Such a conversion is nuclear physics. You would have to add to the Nitrogen atoms nucleus to increase it's atomic weight. Presuming the N contains only things P does, and so could be built up further. Using radiation techniques.

This doesn't happen in the background, due to getting wet by some acid. These elements were created in something like the big bang theory. They are chucked out by our sun. A nuclear pressure furnace. We can't effect them, you and I.
Your soo right, what I am saying is that the plant like other organisms I believe is capable of alchemy where it coverts things to another form but I think I was wrong in my initial assumption thinking about the relationship I didn't think deep enough until now where I realize it doesn't make sense, looking at plant structures and P availability. The pattern I was describing is the same way your referring to elements being made in stars. Its called stellar nucleosynthesis, that is the pattern I found in the elements by coping similiar pattern the terpenes are synthesized and built as far as relationships just because some things we can't observe or don't see it as converting in our human views I'm referring to the way the construct uses these elements for creation, not the way we can interpret then on earth. I try to explain their is two sides to every coin, just because their is one answer, doesn't mean their isn't two. I really appreciate your expertise and taking the time for your super detailed explanation. I see your the man when it comes to this stuff. Thank you. Thinking about it more maybe nitrogen doesn't covert to phosphorus in the plant maybe they just use stored p inside plant when they don't have in environment. Yeah pretty sure I was wrong there but I really think I found a universal pattern that applies to the building blocks of the universe how it uses and sees the element's. Universally I still think nitrogen is the gas state of phosphorus even know on earth we don't perceive it that way but when the universe made Creation it used the elements in 3 forms base energy transports and storage of the same essence for each part.
 
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Rocket Soul

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I think one of the reasons indoor Cannabis lacks the same depth could be due to the lack of green spectrum, red is bacterial, blue is myco and green is viral, without the green light the plant loses structure and clarity. It would be interesting to see side by side profile of same clone grown with additional green and without. I really think green lights just as important as red/blue.
Ive done this, as for smell the additional green didnt impress my nose at all. Fruity/minty/chocolate went towards something more muted and lavendery, possibly more complex but not preferable at all imo. A fairly clear dilution of terpene profile.

The idea of connecting subjective experience of smell to function of the terpene is intriguing.
Making phosphorus out of nitrogen? Fusion inside plants? Seems incredibly unlikely. For extraordinary claims you need some extraordinary evidence.
 

Ca++

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P is stored all over, but the roots are a major store.
It's surprising how lowering one element, can make the plant use another. We see this in the range of feeds it can use. There is a very old idea running around still, that plants will even build with feed, instead of co2, in some instances. This is why too much feed is bad for yields. It can be forced upon them. Making them use food, instead of completing co2 based processes.

In all, I wouldn't be surprised if restricting N, caused them to turn to P use more heavily. However, the only way less N leads to more P, is when that low N drops leaves. The P in dead leaves is very, very, available. Generally though, they go together. Utilising one without the other, isn't effective. Excess N signs can sometimes be reduced with more P, for example.


I would never put myself forward as someone to ask about chemistry, but I do remember bits that seem important, if I can piece it together with what I know to be true. Others here have been seen to leave me in the dust. I blame chat gpt lol
 

Verdant Whisperer

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Ive done this, as for smell the additional green didnt impress my nose at all. Fruity/minty/chocolate went towards something more muted and lavendery, possibly more complex but not preferable at all imo. A fairly clear dilution of terpene profile.

The idea of connecting subjective experience of smell to function of the terpene is intriguing.
Making phosphorus out of nitrogen? Fusion inside plants? Seems incredibly unlikely. For extraordinary claims you need some extraordinary evidence.
@Rocket Soul @Ca++ I really appreciate you guys sharing this valuable information and experiences, thank you.


This observation is great I noticed the floral and woody tones to me seem more viral or related to green light, I appreciate your comment and experiment. Makes me think sometimes the best things in life are not always the most complex, they may be some beauty in a high with out viral structure that can blast your mind or body without restraints. Just makes me realize I consider myself open minded but I should think about experiences sometimes over getting trapt in a mindset. I've smoked some killer indoor but I bash it sometimes. I just really am in love with growing with nature, low cost, sun, water and dirt and native or homemade nutrients. Their is so much beauty sharing my plant with nature as well. 1 of my plants has a cocoon inside the nug right now waiting for a geometer moth to hatch which aye alot of leaves but the plants alright and it's just one buds he's in. That's my buddy ya know I take more joy in waiting to see it hatch from the cocoon then the thought of being greedy. Its a cool thought thinking the plant that worm contained helped it evolve. Its wrapped up in Angola phenotype of carangola waiting to hatch. Red hairs wrapped around coocoon and all. I imagine this moment chanhes the trajectory of this species evolution and it wouldn't happen if I killed that caterpillar eating my plant. Even know it's 1 moth of millions it matters, all we can do is control what is in front of us. Its a joy sharing my plants with nature as well not keeping all for myself, same with the monkeys with give them our extra eggs and some neighbors say why dont you give us the eggs? The reason is I like the monkeys more ;) there my friends their honest, when their pissed off they slam the bamboo on the roof, when their greateful you can see it when they stare into your eyes. Nature is honest and beautiful, at the same time if their is a panther in a tree, i am going to commit a crime and kill it because I have to protect my family first. I loved this one tree, but it was in the spot where we are going to build our House. Its one of those things like everything balance and symbiotic relationship. I cut one tree but planted three. I kill one panther but I save my children and my neighbors. I no longer kill spiders or scorpions their small and can be relocated easily when I was young I was ignorant and let fear control my decision to harm that creature just being what it is. Just terciopelos or pit vipers because their aggressive and family first. Thankfully I've never had to kill a panther if I did it would be with my bare hands though.
 
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fullymelted

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I had an argument with a good friend who's a chemist and he said it's not possible as well, but your looking at things through a different lens. Your right in the lens your looking throught. I'm looking at the elements in the way the construct uses and identifies them not the current human perspective. in nature the process is nitrogen is the fuel which then transports via Na salt, then takes its solid form phosphorous. Nitrogen is balanced by oxygen, and phosphorus by sulfur. Its a flaw in current science from my perspective their models don't allow them to view the elements as interconnected and part of a system similiar to tones and colors.for example the first 3 elements represent red blue and yellow which can make any combination same with the elements as they evolve and terpenes. I could be wrong but I believe enough in the ideas to share and explore them. I put them together using a formula and it just fits all the elements and their opposites. The universe always has 3 forms of specific energies gas liquid and solid or raw , transport and storage.
Nitrogen has 7 protons in its nucleus, phosphorus has 15. Too many reasons why one can never be the other but that's the main one. In the biological process of nitrification , nitrogen shuffles itself between 3 chemical forms based on soil conditions. (cycles to a gas at the surface of the dirt)
Ammonium (NH₄⁺), <- fertilizer source
Nitrite (NO₂⁻) <- a toxic intermediate product formed from ammonia oxidizing bacteria.
Nitrate (NO₃⁻). <- the final oxidation product, and most bioavailable form of nitrogen.

Phosphorus is fixed, it stays in the solid/liquid phase and uses 4 main methods to get around
1. adsorption
2. desorption
3. precipitation
4. dissolution

pH, DOES change the aqueous species of phosphoric acid/phosphorus
ph below 6 = iron and aluminum oxides/hydroxides bind strongly to phosphates.
ph greater than 7.5 = calcium precipitates phosphate as a low solubility mineral.
phosphate ions also will stick to clay/perlite/coco (anything non liquid that touches the solution) and other minerals making them LESS mobile (adsorption)

pH < 2: mostly H₃PO₄ (phosphoric acid)
pH 2–7.2: H₂PO₄⁻ (dihydrogen phosphate)
pH 7.2–12: HPO₄²⁻ (hydrogen phosphate)
pH > 12: PO₄³⁻ (orthophosphate)
 

Verdant Whisperer

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My breeding plan atm I haven't made any of the crosses yet but these are using all of the genetics I've bought or received from brick obtained here in central america. My goal is to preserve the one rare landraces I find the most unique then make the best hybrids for my environment and taste with the other 5. I like the idea of breeding 3 varieties per year. Then alternating yearly Group A and B. Some strains I have like 3 Mexican varieties, Red hair, Mexican biomass sativa, and Mexican mind fuck. Which are nice but this list is my priorities. For me hands down best Mexican I've smoked is michoacan cream/Spirit*, but the Oaxacan HL and some other types they have are very nice. The red hair is too energetic for me, the biomass its too acyclic and monocyclic monoterpene dominant it loses terps easy and short lived effects. And the Mexican mind fuck is good for digging holes, but you can't remember how many buckets of rocks and sand you put in cement mixer.
 

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