Need help friends

[Father Time]

High,
well i have built a new room to once again attempt (and more than likely fail again) at geting something happening.

i woud like to hear thaughts on what lighting to use and how much, ie " 3 x 1000w ect...

room size is limited a bit but its all i got to work with,room size is,
6'6" high X 11'6" long X 8' wide

so takeing into account lights and shades and pot height,i'll have about 4' of grow space between top of pot and a 6" clearance under the globes.

also how high would one leave the plants vege in height until i flip the switch to flower hours?

i have most of other gear needed but am just at the lighting delimer so any advise / help would be much appericated.
Kind Regards,FT

 

[Aoxomoxoa]

You did'nt say which strain. If you go with 3x1000 use HPS air cooled w/ 6" cooling otherwise it'll get too hot in there. I'd be cotent with (2) 1000 & (2) 400 then 6" intake into room & 6" exhaust on a 200cfm min. can fan. Sounds like some bushy Indica dominant strain would work the best. Hope this helps

 

[Father Time]

High,
i would assume i will have to run Indica genetics due to room height, as for 3 x 1000w.
i posed that question as i really have no idea what should go into a room that size,ther must be some form of light table for working correct lighting for room sizes?
Kine regards,FT

 

[Guest]

i dont know about that i grow kali-mist in 4 ft of grow height...just lst

 

[Haps]

Hey FT, my bloom is a couple feet wider, otherwise verrry similar. I ran 3 K's last year, and have cut down to 2 in my current bloom, but I put them on simple manual movers, so I move them by hand now and then through the day - like the sun moves. I'm still working out the fans to move the air out in the new config, but I went to 2 because it is enough for the girls, and the heat is tough with three. I'm also running insulation on all my tubs and buckets - all. I'm running 8 fans including my 750 with a scrubber, everything moves, all the time. Just need a bit of tuning here, the pic is a previous grow.
H

 

[jonnybgood29]

if it was me, id put one 1000w dead center, and four 400watter, one in each corner 2 feet out from the walls.......all of them hanging vertically on adjustable cords witout reflectors and put up either white plastic or mylar on the walls and ceiling. with good air exchance, it will be more energy efficient, and spread the light out much better. the tall ones(sat dominants will do great in the center alloing a grow to ceiling effect, doubling your max height. and put your indicas under the 400w bulbs so you can drop them real close without burning them and allowing maximum light penetration though their larger leaves.


when i flower, i put the strong sats in at 15" to 18" without having to do a lot of bending and typing. i put my strong indicas in at 25" to 30" tall, since they like to stay about 36" to 40" max height. and dont grow in under 3 gal. pots if growing in soil! i use three gal. trash cans since they are suared off corners, which allow tighter packing, and deeper than flower pots, allowing better root formation. 70's pothead gave me the idea and now i only use them!




i hope that helps.

jonnyb

 

[Father Time]

Thanks JonnyB and crew.
i'll be out buyin the square buckets tommorow for sure! ( colour a proublem?)

the walls of the room have been painted in flat satin white paint and have execlent reflection !!

i have a 1000w M/H with a large batwing shade all on a light mover already - 2 x ac units - ac fluming - intake fan and exaust fan on large scrubber (3' high 18" wide).

with the 400W's what type, HPS - MH ???

looking foward to hearing more,
Kindest Regards,FT

 

[SouthernSmoker]

hello Father Time

hello Father Time

Not real sure what kind of room your trying to set up wether it is for personal smoke or a bumper crop?
your room is 11.6X8 wich is 92.8 square feet to reach the goal of 50watts per square foot you would need 4640watts of light .
personaly if it is a new room and you have only 6ft hight then i would look into 600 and 400 watt lights just to make it easier to cool . If you already have the 1000watters then set up a smalll area in the room like a 5x8 and run the 2000 w over it to get your 50w per square foot and see how well your temps do for you . There are always problems that arise in a new room so if you start small and build it to where you want it you will save yourself a few headaches .
also figure how many amps can the room handle? {for lights ac dehumidifier and humidifier fans etc.}
As a rule for plant hights i try to keep them all about 12 to 18inches tall when they flower strains like sourD johnnyblaze and kalimist usually will tripple in the streach phaze of flower so no taller than 12" for them indica strains like sensi star and bluemoonshine i will veg till about 18" and they will stay around 3ft at finish
hope this helps just my two cents worth!!!!!!!!
(and i know i cant spell for shit LOL)

 

[I.M. Boggled]

Father Time, your just always full of projects, an ambitious sort of fella, I can tell.

There are always problems that arise in a new room so if you start small and build it to where you want it you will save yourself a few headaches .
also figure how many amps can the room handle? {for lights ac dehumidifier and humidifier fans etc.}

SouthernSmoker it's so nice to see you again, your very knowledgeable commentary has been sorely missed.

Heres another possibility Father Time (just to confuse matters hehe )
A commercial multi-lamp Light Mover link
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40370

 

[Maj.PotHead]

JBG has a nice suggestion but i think all 600w hps would be a better use of the space isnt a 400w good for 3sqft floor and 600 good for 5sqft floor space. hence why i believe a 600w by each corner 90 deg horizontal and 1 600w dead center hanging down would be more efficient use of lighting grow space and energy consumed.

as for how tall before 12/12 flip this would depend on few things but 10-12 inch for the indica dom strains would be about right
1. how many plants you desire to grow 1, 10, 50 ??
2. soil soiless or hydro ??
3. clones or from seed


of course to up the yield potentional there's LST,FIM,Supercropping,scrogging

 

[Sloppy Seconds]

perhaps the thing he should be doing is splitting the room in half, one for veg and one for flower. you know so he can keep the cloning thing going, thats what i want to do. instead of one big harvest lots and lots of smaller ones.
just my two cents.... be cool.

 

[SouthernSmoker]

hey i.m.boggled always nice to see you on the threads and thanks for the warm welcome .
Father time thanks for the kind pm

To answer your question i would run the light rail down the center front to

back and fill in with 400w or 600w hps on the sides this will give you a great

spectrum of light with your 1000w mh . Can you get a air cooled hood for the 1000w ?

With out this i think you might not have enough hieght space for the light .
the hieght of your room is 6' take off 6" for the light rail and another 1' for
the light this only leaves 4.5' with the 3gal containers that are about 1' tall and the plant reaching a max of 3' your plants will only be @5" from a 1000w uncooled light and will burn real fast. If you can get an air cooled hood and run your scrubber to your light and out of the room like an air cooled exhaust you will be in better shape. With 2 ac units you should have no problem with heat of 2 400w or 2 600w hps on the side .

Or as I.M.Boggled has posted you could get an add a light kit for your light rail and two air cooled hoods run you light rail on one side and the add a light on the other and get an 1000w hps and run your scrubber through it as an exhaust cool both lights and cover a very large area.
two light rails 2.5 feet from each wall on a 3' light rail will cover @50 to 60 square feet at 50watts per square foot .

As for the square buckets they are great in small spaces but packing a room of this size real tight can bring real problems for you if a pest or mold and mildew set in. Air movement is key in a room this size with this type set up you can put @50 plants in 3gal containers with out crowding them and giving them the space to grow and be happy !!!! If you set up for a perpetual (sp sorry ) you can laod 10 plant a week shooting for between 2 and 3 oz per plant in no time you will be harvesting 20 to 30 oz per week
I can not stress plant rotation enough i use to move my plants every day from front to back or one side to the other this helps the plant get the best light from all sides at all times and helps with even growth .
Hope this will help
Ps if you would like to see kinda what iam talking about look at MrWaggs thread he has a great 2000w air cooled set up !!!!!!!!
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=13810

 

[treehuggers]

Hello Father!

Sorry.. a little late reply.... I've read all the comments and from what I see, many has been told. I think you need to pull some decisions FT, not about the gear but about the plants... What style would you like to grow Father?

Tek'ma'te bro!





EDIT:

unicorn: WTF !?!?

 

[Guest]

he stated he couldnt grow sativas in his space i was saying he could...does that bother you?

Hello Father!

Sorry.. a little late reply.... I've read all the comments and from what I see, many has been told. I think you need to pull some decisions FT, not about the gear but about the plants... What style would you like to grow Father?

Tek'ma'te bro!





EDIT:

unicorn: WTF !?!?

 

[Father Time]

High,
not wanting to let "IMB" down, i have now decided to raise the room/ceiling height,
so.....
what would be a good height to raise the ceiling to,its currently at 2m (6'6") i would rather NOT have to lower and raise lights / light mover rails ectt...

so a height that would enable me to fit lights at room height and leave fixed there would be an advantage.

light wise,i have decided to have a 1000w M/H on a mover rail in the middle of the room and run either side of that in the corners 2x 600w Hps in cool tubes.

Kind regards,FT

 

[jonnybgood29]

i wouldnt go any higher than 7 1/2 myself if you are wanting to do minimal play, unless you want to got sat crazy



try the sharks and jackhammer inside for good base genes

 

[Father Time]

JonnyB,
by the time i put beams on and mover light ect... i will have a bit less than 7'6" so things are looking good.

thanks to everyone who has popped in wiht help/suggestions,i'll be annoying you all as i go for advise.

spent the better partof yesterday stripping the wall out of the smealler room and pulling the roof off the larger on to raise it
Kindest Regards,FT

 

[jonnybgood29]

as for the 600w lights, just use the yoyo things for lights so all you have to do is grab it and pull it up or down. i always hated moving my lights until i got them and now i dont even think about it when i move them... just pull down and let go, stays where you put it! great invention!

 

[jonnybgood29]

also, think about getting a conversion bulb for that 1000w, not as good as a full assm, but all you have to do is change the bulb in flower for the fattes nuggets!

 

[Father Time]

JonnyB,
i already have the bulb mate

i was thinking about running the 600w's in each corner as suggested,but in cool tubes each side and pulling air through it with the scrubber fan.
Kind regards,FT