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The Truth About Phosphates and Mycorrhizal Fungi

One of the most well-documented benefits from mycorrhizal fungi is the increase in the uptake of phosphates by the host plant. Mycorrhizal fungi increase the amounts of phosphate appearing in host plant tissue, and radio tracer studies have confirmed that this phosphate is being provided via the mycorrhizal fungi.
High Available Phosphate Reduces Root Colonization

Interestingly, research has also shown that, when soils contain high levels of available phosphate, the degree of root colonization by mycorrhizal fungi diminishes. The higher the level of available phosphate in soils, the lower the level of root colonization by mycorrhizal fungi. This effect is documented both for ecto- and endomycorrhizal plants. Note that this effect only applies to available phosphates. Insoluble phosphates are unavailable, and do not affect mycorrhizal development.
Phosphate Does Not Kill Mycorrhizal Fungi

Oddly, many people have erroneously concluded that phosphate kills mycorrhizal fungi. In fact, there is no killing effect going on here. Instead, in soils having high available phosphate, the host plant apparently opts to restrict fungal colonization. The fungi and their spores are still alive. They are simply experiencing a higher level of restrictions from the host plant. In fact, there is ample evidence to show that the host plant has significant control over when and where mycorrhizal fungi may enter root tissue. Theoretically, under conditions of high available phosphate, the restrictions are increased. So the levels of soluble phosphate in the soil can affect whether the host plant opens the door to the root widely or narrowly. But the mycorrhizal fungi are not killed by phosphates. This misunderstanding has been promoted by various companies who attempt to blend and sell mycorrhizal products with no real grasp of their biology.

So let’s correct the record regarding phosphates. Here is the real story:

Phosphates, both available and unavailable forms, do not kill mycorrhizal fungi.
High levels of available soil phosphate (soluble phosphates) result in reduced root colonization by mycorrhizal fungi.
Insoluble phosphate does not affect mycorrhizal development. The insoluble phosphate in natural soils can represent as much as 99% of the soil’s total phosphate content.

What Does this Mean in Practice?

From a practical standpoint, this phosphate effect has significant ramifications. When applying mycorrhizal fungi inoculants, it is important to avoid applying high levels of soluble phosphate. High soluble phosphate can effectively close the door (partway) to root colonization by these fungi. This effect can be turned into a benefit, because you can save money by using less fertilizer. Mycorrhizal fungi can effectively increase phosphate uptake by converting insoluble phosphates to soluble, available forms, thereby requiring much less fertilizer application.

There are various options at your disposal. If your soils contain significant amounts of unavailable phosphates (like insoluble rock phosphate), then you will not need to add much soluble phosphates, since mycorrhizal fungi will gradually mobilize (i.e., solubilize) this phosphate source. Mycorrhizal fungi will take advantage of the rock phosphates that would otherwise have been unavailable to your plants. So you can save on your fertilizer budget.

If your soils have low levels of total phosphates (available and unavailable), then you will want to apply some phosphates. But you will have to avoid applying high levels of soluble phosphate at the same time you apply the mycorrhizal fungi inoculant. The best approach would be to apply only low levels of phosphates initially, and then spread out your phosphate applications, so you are not dumping a high level on the soil all at once. That is a bad practice anyway, since soluble fertilizers will readily leach away with each rainfall. One of the main reasons for using mycorrhizal fungi inoculants is to reduce your dependence on high fertilizer applications. So don’t shoot yourself in the foot by combining high amounts of soluble phosphates with a mycorrhizal fungi inoculation program.

How Much Phosphate is Too High?

The amount of soluble phosphate needed to inhibit mycorrhizal fungi colonization is quite variable. It is different with different plants, with different fungi, with different soils, and it is affected by environmental factors such as light intensity, soil moisture and soil pH.
In summary, mycorrhizal fungi and their host plants both need phosphates, and both work hard to accumulate this important mineral nutrient. But when soluble phosphates are abundant, the host plants tend to increase their restrictions to mycorrhizal fungi, resulting in lower levels of root colonization. So avoid applying high levels of soluble phosphates at the same time that you apply mycorrhizal fungi. Instead, consider reducing your total phosphate fertility, and spread your phosphate applications out more broadly.
 

Granger2

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Mycos don't do well in teas. They need to make direct root contact to germinate, etc. Applying at transplant it the best way to get root contact. There are so called "soluble" mycos in products like Great White and Plant Success Soluble. The mycos aren't really soluble in water, but in powder form, with agitation, they can be suspended in water, then carried into the medium where an unknown percentage will make root contact. Good luck, and thanks for the research, DC. -granger
 
Mycos don't do well in teas. They need to make direct root contact to germinate, etc. Applying at transplant it the best way to get root contact. There are so called "soluble" mycos in products like Great White and Plant Success Soluble. The mycos aren't really soluble in water, but in powder form, with agitation, they can be suspended in water, then carried into the medium where an unknown percentage will make root contact. Good luck, and thanks for the research, DC. -granger
i thought the whole point of a tea was that you put a myco rich compost in a tea setup and brew it so that the population explodes, then you pour it onto your soil...am i wrong about this?! also how is it that pouring a liquid solution of myco's wouldn't reach the roots? it's not like the soil filters them all out in the top inch or something right? after watering they should be everywhere that the water reached, and if your plant has an extensive root system would they not make plenty of contact? i mean if you mix up a tea of anything nobody assumes that all the stuff you mixed it stays on the surface while only pure clean water makes it down into the soil and roots, so why wouldn't an act tea have similar coverage? i hear people talk about shooting them into the soil with syringes or doing it upon transplant and it just seems like total nonsense, no offense, but i just can't see how that makes any sense whatsoever...

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Aerated Compost Tea (AACT or ACT) - Similar to the tea above, this process involves adding oxygen to the tea and a food source for the biology in the compost. By creating optimal conditions for aerobic microbes, AACT allows you to multiply the biology in the starting compost by over 10,000 times.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]thats from the tea sticky...are you saying that the aerobic microbes they refer to don't contain mycorhizoa? that this process is about other microbes? if so, what are these other microbes? what do they do? and why is it that mycorhizoas seem to be the only kind of microbe that anybody talks about? i assumed that when they refer to aerobic microbes they were mostly refering to different strains of mycorhizoa, though certainly not exclusively, i always assumed they made up the bulk of the microbe life that we are interested in propagating...[/FONT]
 
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i thought the whole point of a tea was that you put a myco rich compost in a tea setup and brew it so that the population explodes, then you pour it onto your soil...am i wrong about this?! also how is it that pouring a liquid solution of myco's wouldn't reach the roots? it's not like the soil filters them all out in the top inch or something right? after watering they should be everywhere that the water reached, and if your plant has an extensive root system would they not make plenty of contact? i mean if you mix up a tea of anything nobody assumes that all the stuff you mixed it stays on the surface while only pure clean water makes it down into the soil and roots, so why wouldn't an act tea have similar coverage? i hear people talk about shooting them into the soil with syringes or doing it upon transplant and it just seems like total nonsense, no offense, but i just can't see how that makes any sense whatsoever...



[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]thats from the tea sticky...are you saying that the aerobic microbes they refer to don't contain mycorhizoa? that this process is about other microbes? if so, what are these other microbes? what do they do? and why is it that mycorhizoas seem to be the only kind of microbe that anybody talks about? i assumed that when they refer to aerobic microbes they were mostly refering to different strains of mycorhizoa, though certainly not exclusively, i always assumed they made up the bulk of the microbe life that we are interested in propagating...[/FONT]

I brew tea for biological activity. Myc is fungus.

I've read tht biological and fungal compete in the soil. Different soils have varying degrees of each, longer growing plants have more fungal dominant soil.

I wouldnt think myc would work in a tea al all.

I am self educated on this issue so please take the info in that context.
 

Granger2

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DC,
The whole point of brewing ACT is to explode the population of the thousands of assorted microbes present in the compost or EWC added as inoculants. Mycorrhizal fungi don't grow in that environment as MM stated [go to his site and have your browser find mycorrhizal].

I didn't say that they wouldn't reach the roots. Some will be filtered as it goes thru the medium, but many or most will make root contact. And yes, ACT is about increasing the numbers of the thousands of other beneficial microbes, but not mycorrhizals. And yes, MM explains it well. Here is a PowerPoint primer.
www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/16/nrcs143_019280.ppt Good luck. -granger
 
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Granger2

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Forgot to say: If you put mycorrhizae in your brew, they probably will be dead by the time the tea is ready. Good luck. -granger
 

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