My OrganicLove, Humanure Trial Grow

[ganjah shaman]

Interesting thread, resourcefull.

I'll take it one step further in the eww-factor: what about menstrual blood?

i ran across a community in california that uses organic bio tampons and they catch and use the blood there all organic veagonsi mean blood has a lot of n and female blood has estrogen.
people can be grossed out but come on what do you think is in the nuets you are ALL useing

 

[CannaExists]

This is it fellas! The sacred buds are dried and ready to cure.

Sandra lookin' wild.

Sprinkled with fairysparkles.

fat pungent Beauty flower

These little jarfuls are a marked improvement for me. And with my tolerance they will last me forever.

Thanks everybody for following!

 

[ROJO145]

Outstanding!!Im glad it went well,Thanks for the show CE Time to enjoy the fruits!!

 

[InPotiTrust]

CannaExists Outstanding work bro...I read the whole thread just now i can tell that your just and easy going kinda guy...I think i'm gona take a read of that book on humanure....Take care and thanks

 

[mad librettist]

How is he gonna get sick from parts of plants which are fully dried, then burnt?

licking the joint/sucking on the end of it.

also the trim could be dangerous in certain conditions, like making cannbutter in the crock pot on low.

But since the OP is hand watering, I would just write off any material within some set proximity to the soil surface. A mulch layer will further discourage bouncing water droplets. Outside though, I would vote against humanure for cannabis, and use it instead on ornamentals and fruit trees/bushes or tomatoes (determinate only). I would also avoid starting seeds in humanure. With a clone, the plant does not need to get through dirt to get to the surface, which seems to me like a good time for a pathogen to get on your main stem, where it might go dormant but will still be waiting for an opportunity.

E. coli is a facultative anaerobe, as is the rest of the campylobacter family. I don't imagine it competes well in an aerobic environment. Here is a short list (wiki) of pathogens that take the oral-fecal route:

Giardiasis
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis E
Rotavirus
Shigellosis (bacillary dysentery)
Typhoid fever
Vibrio parahaemolyticus infections
Enteroviruses, including poliomyelitis
Cholera
Clostridium difficile
Cryptosporidiosis
Ascariasis

 

[StonedCrow]

Impressive grow Canna! Although your methods differ, for me it was something new that was a blast to watch, and made me think of alternatives in my grow-world. Think of something new and start another grow journal - inquiring minds want to know.....SC

 

[SirTOKESalot]

Interesting thread canna, thanks for posting. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned milorganite. The city of Milwaukee processes their sludge, including human manure, into a packaged fertilzer sold all around the U.S. I've never used it but your concept has been proven to work.

In Canada this is very common for golf courses, It does wonders, smells like Shiite! hahah but yeah they have to keep people off the greens for 12 hours after ever use, due to the smell.


BTW VERY FRICKING COOL THREAD!!
It would be interesting to fondle my own poop.
But for the right price, I would do anything!

 

[ixnay007]

licking the joint/sucking on the end of it.

also the trim could be dangerous in certain conditions, like making cannbutter in the crock pot on low.

But since the OP is hand watering, I would just write off any material within some set proximity to the soil surface. A mulch layer will further discourage bouncing water droplets. Outside though, I would vote against humanure for cannabis, and use it instead on ornamentals and fruit trees/bushes or tomatoes (determinate only). I would also avoid starting seeds in humanure. With a clone, the plant does not need to get through dirt to get to the surface, which seems to me like a good time for a pathogen to get on your main stem, where it might go dormant but will still be waiting for an opportunity.

E. coli is a facultative anaerobe, as is the rest of the campylobacter family. I don't imagine it competes well in an aerobic environment. Here is a short list (wiki) of pathogens that take the oral-fecal route:

Giardiasis
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis E
Rotavirus
Shigellosis (bacillary dysentery)
Typhoid fever
Vibrio parahaemolyticus infections
Enteroviruses, including poliomyelitis
Cholera
Clostridium difficile
Cryptosporidiosis
Ascariasis

I don't see any of those viruses surviving being dried out..

Most of them need humidity and fairly consistent temps.

You're aware that more than a few of the bacteria that live in our intestinal tract are present in other mammals, correct? E. Coli can be found in cow and horse intestines, and are actually the source of most E coli infections in humans.. basically because they dump green manure directly onto fields, and on things like spinach which grow very close to the ground, splashing water carries droplets of the pathogens onto leaves. Leaves which are not dried, but remain humid, and then are often consumed uncooked.

Composted, or sun dried manure is pretty much pathogen free, as composted or dried humanure would be.

Poop is poop is poop.

 

[mad librettist]

No, im pretty sure at least some fecal-oral pathogens can survive dry conditions by going dormant.

I don't believe poop is poop, or that using your own makes it safer. Prions in particular are an issue whenever mammals are eating their own poop, be it cows, sheep, or deer in the wild. Composting does not kill them as they are not alive.

There is notning gross about poop, but keeping it and traces of it out of your mouth is a good idea. Dried poop will make you sick if you eat it. So be liberal with the mulch.

As for commercial greens, the biggest problem is packaging plants that act as incubators.

 

[ixnay007]

Prions are something else entirely, but they have to be consumed orally..

It's possible that there are a few pathogens which could survive drying out (and no, I wouldn't eat dried manure either) but if they're composted properly, they have to deal with competition from other microbes, as well as temps which exceed their normal environment.. that and we're also set up with an immune system, which can, and does, deal with the omnipresent amount of bacteria/fungi/etc present in any environment.

 

[OhighO]

cool thread and interesting concept but IMO it is just a lil too much.

 

[Mr Jay]

How is it too much? You eat food grown with human waste every day.

 

[xmobotx]

calls to mind val kilmer in the doors; 'you'd all eat shit wouldn't ya'

 

[mad librettist]

Prions are something else entirely, but they have to be consumed orally..

It's possible that there are a few pathogens which could survive drying out (and no, I wouldn't eat dried manure either) but if they're composted properly, they have to deal with competition from other microbes, as well as temps which exceed their normal environment.. that and we're also set up with an immune system, which can, and does, deal with the omnipresent amount of bacteria/fungi/etc present in any environment.

the prions I bring up only to show that "your own" is not safer.

I don't think a bit of extra precautions is a bad thing when dealing with poop.

maybe avoid making tea from composted human poo?

 

[ixnay007]

the prions I bring up only to show that "your own" is not safer.

I don't think a bit of extra precautions is a bad thing when dealing with poop.

maybe avoid making tea from composted human poo?

I've yet to see any evidence of prions passing that way, they're ingested by animals eating grass, then either re-passed into the environment through the entire animal being composted, or something eating the nerves, often animals were fed ground up left overs, including the spinal cords.. I don't know how much passes in feces, but not many I'd imagine.

Also, almost noone eats the whole plant, and I don't know if they can pass when burnt, I'd say the risk is fairly low.

Certainly not, especially when it's fesh, feces of any type are risky.

Yeah, apart from the smell..

 

[mad librettist]

A quick search for deer, sheep, prions, and feces will get you what you need ixnay.

Again, not disputing it can be done safely,

 

[ixnay007]

A quick search for deer, sheep, prions, and feces will get you what you need ixnay.

Again, not disputing it can be done safely,

Point to you!

I've found a few papers online saying that high temp bacteria in compost will destroy a majority of the prions (in sheep prion infected carcasses), which makes sense, it's from nature, seems strange that nature wouldn't have a way to make em safe.

That said, if you're worried about prions, I'd say it's a more worrying issue on vegetables, I don't eat much at all of my cannabis.

Found out some neat stuff about prions.. that they're actually an integral part of yer neurons, but they're somewhat altered.

 

[justalilrowdy]

You simply don't use human feces for products you are going to ingest. The humanure can be used on ornamentals like flowers and shrubs. Fresh urine is a whole other story and would green those plants right up.
Use some worm castings.. they will look a thousand times better.

 

[mad librettist]

Point to you!

I've found a few papers online saying that high temp bacteria in compost will destroy a majority of the prions (in sheep prion infected carcasses), which makes sense, it's from nature, seems strange that nature wouldn't have a way to make em safe.

That said, if you're worried about prions, I'd say it's a more worrying issue on vegetables, I don't eat much at all of my cannabis.

Found out some neat stuff about prions.. that they're actually an integral part of yer neurons, but they're somewhat altered.

absolutely, I don't think prions are an issue with cannabis, unless you are getting lots of splashing from rain and are eating the stuff (cannabutter, etc..)

my point is simply that it's not sensible to equate "your own" with safety. from my point of view, it seems nature is giving us a hint, that "your own" needs to go to "others", and then some more "others" before it can come back to you safely.

 

[ixnay007]

absolutely, I don't think prions are an issue with cannabis, unless you are getting lots of splashing from rain and are eating the stuff (cannabutter, etc..)

my point is simply that it's not sensible to equate "your own" with safety. from my point of view, it seems nature is giving us a hint, that "your own" needs to go to "others", and then some more "others" before it can come back to you safely.

Yeah, the worms and bacteria in your compost pile for a start