What's your go-to breeder nowadays?

[aCBD]

So stop growing 300 varieties of chance and focus on the ones you think you can make the most of in terms of breeding success and ROI

You can't be serious man..
If your winning pheno is a true breed clone, you can just S1 it and the seed stock will be mostly mother like.
But what happens if your winning pheno is not breeding true ?
Hmmm you ah.. stabilize it.
How ? Grow as many as you can, select over and over for the mother phenos (as much as possible)
You are not working towards a certain pheno, your working towards the winning clone you started with ! The clone people smoked and liked.
When you reach the generation of S when the seeds stock is 80%+ like your mother plant, you have stabilized your clone and it is a true breed clone.


Non of this matter if the P1 are not true breeding
True breeding = known results
Not true breeding = mish mesh

Only if you select far away, it doesn't happen on its own.

If you select long enough from enough population in enough generations you can reach clone like seed stock, from every plant.
It doesn't matter if you cross, BX, self, whatever that enables you to reach your desired selection applies.
There's no cousing sister brother in plants, just traits and genes
Either you are a good pairer, or you are not.
Also, you don't need to smoke the OG clone you started with in order to select towards a winning clone, if you experienced strong highs, tastes, smells, and your not a newb, you can work towards a winning pheno in all situations.

Why not ?

Because people don't do the work lol
What do you think, your gonna BX and walla you have a stable clone like seed stock ?
Doesn't work that way
Breeding works by applying pressure on generations until you've squeezed out all the unwanted traits.

Again, your cuts can be the most elite but the breeding status of them can be the worst in the world.
Work is needed until the progeny aligns with your selections at around the 75%+ from the subsequent seed stock.
It's so simple.

You write all this but ojd already explained what he is doing and why.
I remember that you recommended pollen chucker like Ripper seeds and co in another thread.
Write them an email and ask about their breeding, you'll get 0 details but it's easy trying to flame others who are open about what they do and how they do it.

Yes, breeding is simple as you say but only on the paper and in talks.

 

[H e d g e]

my point is that it’s not all the same to the people you are communicating with.
so your point gets lost . I’m trying to help

They make the definitions to suit their purpose, genetically edited food is being sold as organic, Indian hemp wasn’t considered any different to medicinal cannabis until they classified it <.3% thc.
So we accept the changes in terminology, people have no idea if the food they’re eating is frankenfood and it’s widely accepted that fibre plants were always low thc high cbd when if you check the sediment in the French retting pools all you’ll find is cbn, no cbd.
If it’s been modified, it’s been modified. Crispr or colchicine, makes no difference to me.

 

[LHC]

I wish that was true, I really do.
I go on about it because I think unless we accept this and work together to save what’s left it will be lost forever. Hang on a minute I’ll get some pics to show you what I mean, isn’t the landrace one pretty? You can see why they used these categories when you look at the chromatography. View attachment 19119590 View attachment 19119591

Yes I understand. Through breeding and crossings, there are less true landraces left. GMO on the other hand, refers to the modifiing the genom typically using high-tech genetic engineering. And there is no known GMO cannabis.

 

[LHC]

I hope you have a wonderful experience with alll of aces seeds. Many people have .

“Like the devil reads the Bible “
it’s called critical thinking and yes it’s a threat to christian fascists

I really do not like the way you use sarcasm and personal attacks.

Instead, it would be good if you back up your statements with some kind of fact. Then the discussion can get somewhere.

 

[LHC]

possibly, you will have an easier time communicating with people about if you use. a term that isn’t already used to describe something specific in science that isn’t what you are referring to.

most of the responses you wiil be argumentative about definitions instead about the point you are trying to make

it’s impossible to debate things if people are not using the same definitions

Thank´s @Genghis Kush

 

[LHC]

I looked into this before, and I could not find any proof that cannabis has been genetically modified. Where do you have this info from?

 

[H e d g e]

Yes I understand. Through breeding and crossings, there are less true landraces left. GMO on the other hand, refers to the modifiing the genom typically using high-tech genetic engineering. And there is no known GMO cannabis.

Technically speaking gmo have genetics taken from other species inserted like the modern tomatoes that are crossed with a rubber plants for pm resistance or with a snap dragon for the anthocyanin.

I agree there’s no proof of this specific form of modification, cannabis has however been modified in different ways and it wasn’t improved in the process, theres no way of changing it back, when the few remaining unchanged varieties are gone, that’s it they’re not coming back.

Just look at the difference in the chromatography, all those missing spikes where the slope is represented cannabinoids that have been lost.
That didn’t happen naturally through breeding or crossing.

I remember the first skunk being available, it was very strong but all the social effects were gone. After a few generations it wasn’t even strong, landraces didn’t have the tolerance problems you get with skunk because there was no cbd, skunk has an inactive enzymatic pathway for cbd but it becomes active in a cross and gets worse with each generation. All thcp was lost in place of delta 9, it really destroyed what was a highly medicinal plant.

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

You write all this but ojd already explained what he is doing and why.
I remember that you recommended pollen chucker like Ripper seeds and co in another thread.
Write them an email and ask about their breeding, you'll get 0 details but it's easy trying to flame others who are open about what they do and how they do it.

Yes, breeding is simple as you say but only on the paper and in talks.

Ripper does not breed anything and I never claimed they did
The op asked about "breeders" in EU so I mentioned them, why don't you write I mentioned OJD in the same post ?
Or you just trying to stirr up drama ?
Non of them are breeders, simply a crapshoot
I'm not recommending Ripper or Connoisseur, to me they are 2 sides of the same coin.

Breeding is much more simple on paper you are right, but if you can't walk the talk, get out of the business.
No one is forcing anyone to do something they don't want or hard.
If you can't deal with criticism and true world practices, you can't make it in this game.

Like it or not, the market is saturated with unworked lines
Imo, In the future, only those who can vouch for results will carry on.

 

[ojd]

Ripper does not breed anything and I never claimed they did
The op asked about "breeders" in EU so I mentioned them, why don't you write I mentioned OJD in the same post ?
Or you just trying to stirr up drama ?
Non of them are breeders, simply a crapshoot
I'm not recommending Ripper or Connoisseur, to me they are 2 sides of the same coin.

Breeding is much more simple on paper you are right, but if you can't walk the talk, get out of the business.
No one is forcing anyone to do something they don't want or hard.
If you can't deal with criticism and true world practices, you can't make it in this game.

Like it or not, the market is saturated with unworked lines
Imo, In the future, only those who can vouch for results will carry on.

Everything you write is breeze , you only joined up this year , so where you been last 20 years while we been at it ? , what's your other ghost/troll account or 5 ?

 

[ojd]

So stop growing 300 varieties of chance and focus on the ones you think you can make the most of in terms of breeding success and ROI

You can't be serious man..
If your winning pheno is a true breed clone, you can just S1 it and the seed stock will be mostly mother like.
But what happens if your winning pheno is not breeding true ?
Hmmm you ah.. stabilize it.
How ? Grow as many as you can, select over and over for the mother phenos (as much as possible)
You are not working towards a certain pheno, your working towards the winning clone you started with ! The clone people smoked and liked.
When you reach the generation of S when the seeds stock is 80%+ like your mother plant, you have stabilized your clone and it is a true breed clone.


Non of this matter if the P1 are not true breeding
True breeding = known results
Not true breeding = mish mesh

Only if you select far away, it doesn't happen on its own.

If you select long enough from enough population in enough generations you can reach clone like seed stock, from every plant.
It doesn't matter if you cross, BX, self, whatever that enables you to reach your desired selection applies.
There's no cousing sister brother in plants, just traits and genes
Either you are a good pairer, or you are not.
Also, you don't need to smoke the OG clone you started with in order to select towards a winning clone, if you experienced strong highs, tastes, smells, and your not a newb, you can work towards a winning pheno in all situations.

Why not ?

Because people don't do the work lol
What do you think, your gonna BX and walla you have a stable clone like seed stock ?
Doesn't work that way
Breeding works by applying pressure on generations until you've squeezed out all the unwanted traits.

Again, your cuts can be the most elite but the breeding status of them can be the worst in the world.
Work is needed until the progeny aligns with your selections at around the 75%+ from the subsequent seed stock.
It's so simple.

This isnt the 90s, people want varieties more than ever, flavour/Potency whores, im 1 of them, we want 15 different jars , not 4 all.the same , that's the new world , not just cannabis, candy , music, etc etc , the more the better, obviously still quality though .
And as I state every project I put out is something special, not every strain is gping to blow everyone away ( we all have different taste/Highs we chasing) but every project I put out is special in its own way and if not let's here which project, and il tell you what is special about it


S1 on most strains you can get a good representation of the clone used ( you might need 2 packs, 10 seeds) but guaranteed you will find something very close to that famous clone your looking for ( that's if breeder used the real clone , many lies or unwilling use a clone that is not it) then you will never find that pheno you want

Point out a breeder who has used a clone only famous line and worked it to passed F3 or any direction for years and looks identical to the clone only ( honestly I'm curious) and not saying what they prodcued is not excellent, but is it exactly like the clone in looks , taste , growth, High ?

You do need to of smoked the selected clone or clone only to know what your trying to prodcue a seed off ? , or it's just what you think it is ? , not the clone only 1000's of people round the world look for in seed form


If you know the strain and what your working towards then you know if your work is working in the right direction.
I grow out seed packs of my strains all the time , year after year and use them in my other work , if they are a cut above the rest

 

[LHC]

Technically speaking gmo have genetics taken from other species inserted like the modern tomatoes that are crossed with a rubber plants for pm resistance or with a snap dragon for the anthocyanin.

I agree there no proof of this specific form of modification, cannabis has however been modified in different ways and it wasn’t improved in the process, theres no way of changing it back, when the few remaining unchanged varieties are gone, that’s it they’re not coming back.

Just look at the difference in the chromatography, all those missing spikes where the slope is represented cannabinoids that have been lost.
That didn’t happen naturally through breeding or crossing.

I understand what you mean. I do not think modern cannabis has been changed in other ways than crossing, breeding and mutations. There is no evidence of that, and genetically modifing an organism costs money. So who should pay for this? It could of course be some of the medical MJ companies, but that seem unlikely. In the future when cannabis is a fully commercial crop there will be genetic modifications I am sure.

 

[LHC]

OP asked for breeder advice. Now we have three discussions going on at the same time.
1. Is Dubi a breeder or a lying thug?
2. Is cannabis today genetically modified?
3. Beef between @ojd and @TrifektaSeeds

Hilarious

 

[H e d g e]

I understand what you mean. I do not think modern cannabis has been changed in other ways than crossing, breeding and mutations. There is no evidence of that, and genetically modifing an organism costs money. So who should pay for this? It could of course be some of the medical MJ companies, but that seem unlikely. In the future when cannabis is a fully commercial crop there will be genetic modifications I am sure.

There has been efforts globally to eradicate cannabis for 100 years, locking people up and spraying herbicide didn’t work so well but planting high cbd plants near the production areas was pretty effective.
More and more duds were found each season, plants with so much cbd blocking uptake of other cannabinoids that there was no effect from smoking it. Cbd is a cannabinoid antagonist, it blocks the receptor from up taking other cannabinoids.

If you consider the amount of investment that has gone into bribing governments to ban cannabis, dismantling grows, locking up growers ect. The money invested in developing ‘hemp’ is comparably insignificant.

The effect of skunk on the gene pool has been just as bad, 250+ cannabinoids became 1, delta 9. And to make matters worse after a few generations it becomes cbd. That’s why everyone keeps the early ‘elite’ cuts, the first outcrosses from skunk to landrace before the cbd levels got too high but there’s still just enough to cause tolerance problems.

I don’t believe this happened naturally or by accident, plants have always been moved around and crossed but we didn’t see this reduction in cannabinoid diversity until hemp and skunk arrived.

 

[ojd]

OP asked for breeder advice. Now we have three discussions going on at the same time.
1. Is Dubi a breeder or a lying thug?
2. Is cannabis today genetically modified?
3. Beef between @ojd and @TrifektaSeeds

Hilarious

@TrifektaSeeds
Seems like a troll who just joined up this year , ask him where he been last 20 years ?

Many trolls these days, click there account, and all joined last year at earliest, where they been during the last 2 decades online like the rest of us to be preaching this bullshit

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

Everything you write is breeze , you only joined up this year , so where you been last 20 years while we been at it ? , what's your other ghost/troll account or 5 ?

A breeze to yo maybe, we know you don't do any breeding work, your words not mine.
I've been here for more than 20 years you twat
Judging authors and not opinions just shows who you really are
Address the topics if you can ? Or it's just above you all this light tech talk so you can't handle and go after authors and how much time they had accounts in forums ?

This isnt the 90s, people want varieties more than ever, flavour/Potency whores, im 1 of them, we want 15 different jars , not 4 all.the same , that's the new world , not just cannabis, candy , music, etc etc , the more the better, obviously still quality though .

People want varieties of good weed, not 15 jars of bunk, what are you not getting ?
1 jar of fire is better than 250 jars of bunk understand this.
Variety over quality never wins.

And as I state every project I put out is something special, not every strain is gping to blow everyone away ( we all have different taste/Highs we chasing) but every project I put out is special in its own way and if not let's here which project, and il tell you what is special about it

What project man ??? You pollen chuck 2 clones and call it a project ? Who are you ? God ? Where are the 100+ plants grown from this ao called projects ? Where are the selections ? Descriptions ? Breeding work ? Project

S1 on most strains you can get a good representation of the clone used ( you might need 2 packs, 10 seeds) but guaranteed you will find something very close to that famous clone your looking for ( that's if breeder used the real clone , many lies or unwilling use a clone that is not it) then you will never find that pheno you want

If doesn't matter bro, why are continuing to argue with facts is beyond me
Only if your clone has true breeding capabilities you will get something good, only.
If he doesn't hold any true breed capabilities your gonna need 100-200 seeds at least to hit something remotely worth.

Point out a breeder who has used a clone only famous line and worked it to passed F3 or any direction for years and looks identical to the clone only ( honestly I'm curious) and not saying what they prodcued is not excellent, but is it exactly like the clone in looks , taste , growth, High ?

Cheese is one of the best examples.
I bought seeds of it in 2004 in AMS not even from a breeder but just a seed shop, and what do you know, I got 5 1:1 phenos like the OG clone, my guess ? The guy that made the seeds knew what he was doing, no ego, no drama, just 1-2 years of working chasing lines to create a stable worthy product, like any other industry in the world.
Same with pretty much every seed I've grown at that time
You said it aswell, at that time consistency and uniform was the name of the game, and it worked, people got very close to the elite cuts in seed form.

You do need to of smoked the selected clone or clone only to know what your trying to prodcue a seed off ? , or it's just what you think it is ? , not the clone only 1000's of people round the world look for in seed form

Yes you do, but I added that even if you are blind, you can still choose wisely.
You won't know what the elite was all about entirely but you can select good phenos along the road, no ?
Are you not qualified enough after all this time ? Selecting good plants ? I'm sure you are, no matter where they came from
Certain parameters define dank, experienced smokers and growers know how to detect and select them.

If you know the strain and what your working towards then you know if your work is working in the right direction.
I grow out seed packs of my strains all the time , year after year and use them in my other work , if they are a cut above the rest

So you continue to mish mesh strains together instead of making sure your prior selections are stabilized...
That's the definition of a chance
No problem with that, for 10-20 $

Sorry to disappoint some here, I have no beef with OJD, I will always say to me he is a legend and I know him and he's business for long long time.
Just trying to state some facts about breeders that's all, much love @ojd.

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

@TrifektaSeeds
Seems like a troll who just joined up this year , ask him where he been last 20 years ?

Many trolls these days, click there account, and all joined last year at earliest, where they been during the last 2 decades online like the rest of us to be preaching this bullshit

Bro, just because you don't like the facts that don't make people trolls lol
Handle it and move on, no one cares about me or you, grow up.

 

[ojd]

A breeze to yo maybe, we know you don't do any breeding work, your words not mine.
I've been here for more than 20 years you twat
Judging authors and not opinions just shows who you really are
Address the topics if you can ? Or it's just above you all this light tech talk so you can't handle and go after authors and how much time they had accounts in forums ?


People want varieties of good weed, not 15 jars of bunk, what are you not getting ?
1 jar of fire is better than 250 jars of bunk understand this.
Variety over quality never wins.

What project man ??? You pollen chuck 2 clones and call it a project ? Who are you ? God ? Where are the 100+ plants grown from this ao called projects ? Where are the selections ? Descriptions ? Breeding work ? Project

If doesn't matter bro, why are continuing to argue with facts is beyond me
Only if your clone has true breeding capabilities you will get something good, only.
If he doesn't hold any true breed capabilities your gonna need 100-200 seeds at least to hit something remotely worth.

Cheese is one of the best examples.
I bought seeds of it in 2004 in AMS not even from a breeder but just a seed shop, and what do you know, I got 5 1:1 phenos like the OG clone, my guess ? The guy that made the seeds knew what he was doing, no ego, no drama, just 1-2 years of working chasing lines to create a stable worthy product, like any other industry in the world.
Same with pretty much every seed I've grown at that time
You said it aswell, at that time consistency and uniform was the name of the game, and it worked, people got very close to the elite cuts in seed form.

Yes you do, but I added that even if you are blind, you can still choose wisely.
You won't know what the elite was all about entirely but you can select good phenos along the road, no ?
Are you not qualified enough after all this time ? Selecting good plants ? I'm sure you are, no matter where they came from
Certain parameters define dank, experienced smokers and growers know how to detect and select them.

So you continue to mish mesh strains together instead of making sure your prior selections are stabilized...
That's the definition of a chance
No problem with that, for 10-20 $

Sorry to disappoint some here, I have no beef with OJD, I will always say to me he is a legend and I know him and he's business for long long time.
Just trying to state some facts about breeders that's all, much love @ojd.

You been here 20 years ( joined last year ) what's any previous names then so we can look up your 20 year history, I been OJD since joining the online world 20 plus years ago and my work all over the website for people to see , multiple cup wins to with my strains

I address any comment you throw at me , what did I miss ?

You have bunk jars not us , we have jars of excellent flowers , where your pics or varieties , we have amazing variety of strains available .
Nobody wants just 1 variety, even your favourite variety gets boring if that all you got ( apart from the less than 1% who don't have a palette or quench for exotic taste/Highs like the rest of us do)

Yes I work a Male and a Female together, or 2 clones hit together to make seeds , that's how it's done , but i use superior genetic to the boring same old varieties most mediocre companies use , the rest of us are Connoisseur's of Cannabis and hunt out exotic taste/Highs off exceptional Cannabis, and try produce then into seeds and hybrids of said variety

You bought seeds from Amsterdam no name shop , in 2004 of cheese , man you can't even make this shit up ( shows how young and bullshit lies you tell) cheese seeds were not available in 2004 anywhere


Clear to see alot of embellished bullshit from @TrifektaSeeds

 

[H e d g e]

twat

 

[revegeta666]

 

[aCBD]

Just wanted to write a reply but i guess the thread is over it's peak.


Thanks everyone for the discussions. Enjoyed reading the many opinions and thoughts on the many topics.
See you in another thread.