This is genius! Does the ethephon pose risks to the female plants...does it need to be done in an isolated room?
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This is genius! Does the ethephon pose risks to the female plants...does it need to be done in an isolated room?
Nothing like info straight from the source. Thanks a lot.
I came across the history of your work just after posting this and suspected this must be your cut. Congrats! I think its the finest product in the industry.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "now correctly known as a NLD Indica"?
Is this plant still available in seed form anywhere?
Never mind...NLD not NL x D. I was really confused for a moment.
G`day Bio Guy
A sat that matures in Sept .
Has to be very sensitive to day length . Or be an auto . The key is triggering flower when the days at high Latitudes are still long . Holland in July /Aug the Sun doesn`t go down till 10 o`clock at night . Making for a 13 -14 hour day . Then in Sept the day length shortens dramatically . By Sept 22 its 12 hours .
So the trick is a plant that will trigger @ 13-14 hours light and finnish in 70 days . So triggered in June . Flowers through July -Aug -early Sept .
I figure these plants sense the longest day of the year and react as the days shorten ??
Thanks for sharin
EB .
A sat that matures in Sept .
Has to be very sensitive to day length . Or be an auto . The key is triggering flower when the days at high Latitudes are still long . Holland in July /Aug the Sun doesn`t go down till 10 o`clock at night . Making for a 13 -14 hour day . Then in Sept the day length shortens dramatically . By Sept 22 its 12 hours .
So the trick is a plant that will trigger @ 13-14 hours light and finnish in 70 days . So triggered in June . Flowers through July -Aug -early Sept .
I figure these plants sense the longest day of the year and react as the days shorten ??
Thanks for sharin
EB .
S
sirius haze
Random Thought: Colorado's grow season is much shorter than places much farther north due to altitude. It can Colorado has 120-140 frost free days on its low elevation plains but Vancouver has 200+. Colorado hardiness zones range from 2-6, Vancouver is between 2-9. Denver averages 6" of snow between Sept 1st and Nov 1st (2 feet is not uncommon). Our record High for September is 100 F our record low for September is 14 F. October can be down right ugly.
I'm not challenging your comment, I'm convinced it could be grown here. But "'easy" is not a word generally used in relation to outdoor cultivation in Colorado.
Interesting thoughts on Colorado's climate. As an aside, I watched last fall as the 'Frost on the Pumpkin' set in.
A friend and neighbor had some small plants in his yard. They had gotten a late start so their size was no more than 3-4'. That said, they took at least 5-6 mornings of frost everywhere, with no coverings at all. Did not wilt and showed no damage to the foliage at all. The question remains however, as to whether they actually grew anymore when the frosts started. (It did warm quickly in the mornings)....
Not sure if the strains in question are that hardy or not. And he did not even remember what strains these were. There were certainly at least 2 strains. One being longer limbed, growing at least 2-3 times the height of the short squat, massive budded plants.
So perhaps it's not out of the question..... just high risk.
This was at 7500=7600' in elevation. Of course a 6-12" snow is not out the realm either, during the same time frame.
I do not have a spot on my property that would be suitable for 'outdoor'. But have been eyeing some dirt streamside, that might be attractive. Problem is someone else would probably harvest them before I could. Oh well.
Yeah we definitely grow outdoors, even in the mountains. I only added it because their are so many Durban's and these posts stay forever. I did not want someone thinking they could grow any Durban here "easily". The one in question would probably be fine most seasons, but most outdoor growers here focus on hardy, heat and drought tolerant strains.
Just a couple years ago one of the cartels was caught growing 10 or 25 (can't remember) thousand plants in the foothills. I believe it was around 6500 feet. This leads me to believe our potential is better than we think. At that elevation it is not uncommon for plants to see 90 F, brutal sun, hail, a light freeze and some snow....all in the same week (maybe day).
Luckily our beloved Mary is a highly adaptable weed that can handle almost anything.
Sam is probably refering to a study done by Profesor Karl Hilig at the Universtiy of Indiana., when he says, "now correctly known as a NLD indica".
The study discovered that almost all drug type Landrace Cannabis is actually Indica.
Most(if not all) of plants we have been calling Sativas for years are actually NLD Indicas.
I think what are now known as true Sativas are rare and mostly only good for fiber. (Sam?)
When Cannabis was first classified, it was done like 150 years ago, by a frenchman, who had never been to India or anywhere like that. All his samples were dryed, old and decaying. And to sum it up, apparently he got it wrong.
Fwiw,It was the largest study ever done on Landrace Cannabis I believe. It was done in like 2005 or so.
The study discovered that almost all drug type Landrace Cannabis is actually Indica.
Most(if not all) of plants we have been calling Sativas for years are actually NLD Indicas.
I think what are now known as true Sativas are rare and mostly only good for fiber. (Sam?)
When Cannabis was first classified, it was done like 150 years ago, by a frenchman, who had never been to India or anywhere like that. All his samples were dryed, old and decaying. And to sum it up, apparently he got it wrong.
Fwiw,It was the largest study ever done on Landrace Cannabis I believe. It was done in like 2005 or so.
Back to potent strains. I've been reading a lot about pure sativas. The smoke reports sound like these maybe just as potent or more so than the award winners and the modern stuff.
I'm talking about things like Ace's SE Asian crosses, Zamal crosses to all kinds of stuff (from SSh/NHaze to Mexican's and the Ace strains). Its amazing how much love these guys put into these ultra long flowering plants. BUT these strains don't get into the competitions very often and they have no bag appeal unless you are in the know.
So I ask if anyone has any experience with these plants in the lab. Can anyone confirm their THC levels? This may also shed some light on the effects of the various cannabinoids and terpenes. IE if these ultra potent plants test low we know the ratio is extremely important.
I'm talking about things like Ace's SE Asian crosses, Zamal crosses to all kinds of stuff (from SSh/NHaze to Mexican's and the Ace strains). Its amazing how much love these guys put into these ultra long flowering plants. BUT these strains don't get into the competitions very often and they have no bag appeal unless you are in the know.
So I ask if anyone has any experience with these plants in the lab. Can anyone confirm their THC levels? This may also shed some light on the effects of the various cannabinoids and terpenes. IE if these ultra potent plants test low we know the ratio is extremely important.
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this paper you mean? Genetic evidence for speciation in cannabis, it used to be here;https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1878641&postcount=28
I have it in pdf but can't upload it for some reason, but to not side track the thread, perhaps the NLD talk could continue here; https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=98057&page=2
Edit: heres the pdf from someone elses post... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=4090225&postcount=61
Hi bioguy,
I've run the malawi, but don't have lab results. Out of curiosity i have looked around for lab tests on their strains.
A zamaldelica tested at 15.66% thc, but with just 0.1cbn, and 0.03 cbd. Also an orient express tested at 17% thc, but it is considered one of their mild potency strains. Those who grew the zamaldelica seemed surprised it only came in at 15%.
Sorry i couldn't be more help, but these are the only lab results i have come by on these strains.
THC percentages are proving to be an unreliable way of determining 'potency' (and obviously the various qualities of the high).
I'm glad that this is coming to light, otherwise it's just people runnin around trying to eek out .1 more thc so they can claim to have "the most powerful weed on earth" regardless of whether the high itself is interesting or just makes everyone groggy and unsociable.
I still snatch up that quality sticky golden brick when it comes around that smokes like very flavorful hash because the high is so warm and enlivening compared to the big lime green crystally nugs around town. Sure the nugs look like a million bucks, but in the end they tend to lack that special something in the high department. So, yeah, i'm sure the brick would test poorly, but there's no mistaking the depth and sheer joy of it's classic high.
I'm glad that this is coming to light, otherwise it's just people runnin around trying to eek out .1 more thc so they can claim to have "the most powerful weed on earth" regardless of whether the high itself is interesting or just makes everyone groggy and unsociable.
I still snatch up that quality sticky golden brick when it comes around that smokes like very flavorful hash because the high is so warm and enlivening compared to the big lime green crystally nugs around town. Sure the nugs look like a million bucks, but in the end they tend to lack that special something in the high department. So, yeah, i'm sure the brick would test poorly, but there's no mistaking the depth and sheer joy of it's classic high.
Don't be sorry...thats pretty good info. Thanks.
Those are also really high numbers in my opinion for wild-ish (for lack of a better word) lines. I think 5-10% is pretty common in unimproved or unselected lines.
THC percentages are proving to be an unreliable way of determining 'potency' (and obviously the various qualities of the high).
I'm glad that this is coming to light, otherwise it's just people runnin around trying to eek out .1 more thc so they can claim to have "the most powerful weed on earth" regardless of whether the high itself is interesting or just makes everyone groggy and unsociable.
I still snatch up that quality sticky golden brick when it comes around that smokes like very flavorful hash because the high is so warm and enlivening compared to the big lime green crystally nugs around town. Sure the nugs look like a million bucks, but in the end they tend to lack that special something in the high department. So, yeah, i'm sure the brick would test poorly, but there's no mistaking the depth and sheer joy of it's classic high.
Agreed, we are on the same page.
But at the same time, if I had a clone that I wanted to pollinate, and decided Thai was a good choice (or OG or Haze or whatever) I would always use the one with higher cannabinoid production (That is the best Thai...as long as the highs were comparable). That is if 2 strains both get me really high (or both have a classic high) and I know one is technically more potent I would start there.
I understand the argument against % and potency But I suspect that "within a region" it is important. That is to say that among Thai strains or Kashmir strains its a major player because within a region strains often have similar cannabinoid ratios despite drastically different THC %. These are of course generalizations...exceptions to every rule.
Humor me and lets go in the other direction for a moment. Can anyone remember a strain that has one a major award with a really low THC lab results. I think I saw White Rhino results a few years ago that were 12 or 13%....that surprised me...it was bomb
i think people get overly stuck on the whole sativa/indica thing. i would imagine most strains now are a mixture of both.
Yeah Thats why I dont understand cannabis cups and whatnot.
1-5 out of hundreds of entries are pure indica or pure sativa.
Nearly every thing is a hybrid at the cups. Which is hysterical cause they also have a hybrid category
