I know that i pitched in a pack of X18 seeds to help USC, and after he received them Cris never even said thanks. Matter of fact he was asking for them on a G man Mason spot saying he would repay the community by sharing seeds he made with what people like me had donated per his request. If he never bothered saying thanks do you think this guy ever showed back up to repay the favor he requested? FK no not a chance. Did he rip me off no. Was he dishonest about his intentions only to flake in the end absolutely.
This is just one example of why folks are gun shy to share genetics with commercial breeders. I could have given that pack to a much more deserving cause but the lesson learned was priceless. Friends are there to share and trade. Business men are there for one reason to conduct business. Not all people who sell seed are pure business but most are.
All I'll say is that the sort of guys you write about in your second paragraph will be a dying breed in my view.
I think there's a type of “gentleman grower” who will begin to appear as cannabis usage increases in populations. These people will generally not be earning any money from their crop and will be doing it purely as a hobby and for personal stashes. This sort of grower usualy networks with like minded people and in the legal to grow scenario this sort of hobby grower networks will make the former system of dealer/corruptible growers to one of hobbyist/gentlemanly growers.
Just trying to see the future in a different environment to the present in most of the world.
I respect the 'preservers' but think sharing is the right way.
I know that i pitched in a pack of X18 seeds to help USC, and after he received them Cris never even said thanks.
FatBoy707' said:Are there any new strains for 2014 from Underground Seed Collective
Cristalin said:Hé
Yes for my part:
Cristal: uzebek 8th génération x (X18 x pine tar kush)
Triple paki: wild paki from Lala x (X18 * pine tar kush)
Ciao
Characteristics of Triple Pakistan of Underground Seeds Collective:
Name: triple Pakistan
Genetics: (X18 x PTK) x Wild Pakistan
80 % Indica / 20 % sativa
I totally agree with you on that. Rise of the hacks has arrived hahaha! What you speak of is already happening more every day. People making crosses they like and sharing them freely. Very rarely do i plant something that was purchased. I would much rather run things I made or things my friends made.
Years have passed when we talked about this and after all these years it's still the truth we tried it with many landrace varieties in small, 100 and 100 populations and have found out that one has to start with huge populations and keep working with huge populations to keep "all" the genes in there and still I think it's impossible to do the work that nature does. My point is that I think the wild cultivars are better left wild and people should just concentrate on picking and weeding out good mothers for their own pleasure or small time breeding projects rather than dream of growing a valley full of plants and try to do mother natures work. Edit: excuse me for my poor english, no "wild" things but domesticated mustafunk.One more point I see a lot of posts that people are conserving or preserving a landrace, or trying to.
The simple truth is that unless you grow 1000+ females and 1000+ males from seeds, you are not conserving all the genes in any landrace. Each year you reproduce the landrace variety with smaller populations you are losing genes and altering the variety, in 10-20 years it is just not the same.
Cannabis is a dioecious obligate outcrossed and requires large plant numbers to keep all the genes maintained in a landrace, no one is doing this in the West, at least in the past.
Crossa, J. et al. 1993. Statistical genetic considerations for maintaining germ plasm collections. Theoretical and Applied Genetics 86: 673-678.
-SamS
The simple truth is that unless you grow 1000+ females and 1000+ males from seeds, you are not conserving all the genes in any landrace. Each year you reproduce the landrace variety with smaller populations you are losing genes and altering the variety, in 10-20 years it is just not the same.
Title says it all folks... want to do a little breeding project. Most Landrace indica have short flowering times from the start... So which strain, which is easily obtainable would you recommend?
Right now I am thinking World of Seeds Afghan Kush, while it's technically not a landrace, it's two landraces blended together, so I will give it a pass.
Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
I feel landraces and heirlooms are gifts to be entrusted, never sold.
Anytime I see someone sell a landrace I know 1) its prolly not real and 2) they fucked at least one person over to get those and now sell them.
Big hugs, Musta.
I get hit up every week with people asking me for landraces.
I say no every time.
Then they ask "why not, Coastal is selling landraces" and a little part of me dies.
I do sell seeds, but only my poly hybrids. And only after Ive gotten permission from the person who gave me the seeds to use those as parental stock. And I only sell to those I deem worthy, so I dont make that many sales, nowhere near enough to support myself doing this, its more of a way to compensate garden expenses.
Then I watch all these seed companies make millions and it sickens me to the point of wanting to leave the scene and only talk to a select few through snail mail.
Barefootgardenz/ Ninja Mechanics has infiltrated yet another forum in his quest to get landraces so he can be famous and rich. Seeing that set me off. But thats another story.
I feel landraces and heirlooms are gifts to be entrusted, never sold.
Anytime I see someone sell a landrace I know 1) its prolly not real and 2) they fucked at least one person over to get those and now sell them.
I too have talked to JGL and have been enlightened as to his position and whats been going on. And it further cemented my above views.
The price per gram of flower keeps dropping. It was ~$15/gram 8 yrs ago, now its quickly approaching $1/gram
Seeds were ~$2/seed 8yrs ago and now im seeing some sell a single seed for $150+
The amount of greed and shadiness is astounding in the seed game.
USA pops up with five new seed companies every day.
Ive been ripped off and my gear is being hacked by others but I dont really care - all they have are my poly hybrids. So I went to Emerald Cup and passed out a shit ton of those same poly hybrids - flooding the market so those hacks cant say they have anything exclusive.
It was hilarious because most everyone I passed seeds out to were aghast that I would just hand out a bunch of seeds. But thats because they are greedy and only see dollar signs when they see seeds.
lol. I tried selling seeds at Emerald Cup. Didnt sell one pack. I showed a guy what I had and I guess I wasnt charging enough. Because the guy scoffed and said, "no, Im looking for legit seeds. See these? I paid $400 for this pack." He showed me a pack of cookies hybrid x cookies hybrid x nl x affy x some other hybrid from a "breeder" Ive never heard of.
In all the years Ive been doing this, I only just recently found a person whom Im thinking about handing off a good portion of my vault to so this person can carry on the torch. One person in ten years. And its because he understands the cannabis plant is only one tool in a big toolbox of tools to help people. He's more interested in other plant medicines.
People don't understand that having a vault is quite a burden when youre a steward and not looking to get rich off the plant.
Shit, Im living in my car and have a vault. Everyone keeps telling me I should sell the seeds I have and get rich.
I'd rather keep living in my car, respecting both the plant and those who entrusted me with being Her steward.
Landraces are bestowed, not sold.
Much Love,
~T
Maybe you are thinking of the Panama thread?Lol who delete dubi comment?