W
-
ICMag with help from Landrace Warden and The Vault is running a NEW contest in November! You can check it here. Prizes are seeds & forum premium access. Come join in!
Most Potent Landrace Indica commercially available
- Thread starter wdcf
- Start date
Some people understand it - and they get entrusted with pure lines.
Some don't understand it - and they get hybrids, or trick others into getting pure lines
-Clown
Some don't understand it - and they get hybrids, or trick others into getting pure lines
-Clown
MountainBudz
⛽🦨 Kinebud and Heirloom Preservationist! 🦨 ⛽
Well their is a whole lot of truth in this thread. A lot of depth to every ones pleas... You guys have hearts of gold!
For reasons in this thread, is one reason why I am hesitating to release the Kentucky Roadkill Skunk seeds aka "Hillbilly Roadkill". The roots of that strain has been here since the 70's. The old man on the mountain knows nothing of technology, just a straight hermit bound hippie that has kept this strain alive. He got cancer a couple of years ago and has had a very steep uphill battle ever since. What I can say is that he has finally beat the devil beneath his skin and come out in victory, bless his great soul...
He has the Roadkill mother, he has the father. He has been open pollinating these two since he stabilized the Roadkill in the genes back in what he claims to be around the early 90s. I have begged him for cuts back in the day of this infamous plant, yet he never let go of it no matter the offer. When I say its tightly held, it is tightly held. The man has no knowledge of a cell phone, keyboard nor does he know the up to date new knowledge of breeding and the whole cannabis scene. He is just a hillbilly hermit, who stays to himself and his brothers, farming the Roadkill in the heart of the Appalachians, mostly so they can get by and live a comfortable life all while being able to resist and withdrawal from the rest of society that is harming the world today... Good people I tell ya, very very honest and down to earth people.
To make a long story short, when he got well, to the point of being able to get up and walk around and sit and hold something other than delusional conversation I went to visit him. He is a long time friend of mine and back in the 90s and early 2ks he is the oone that gave me at least 75% of the knowledge I know for guerilla growing. I have grown huge patches with these guys and in the perimeter of 3 whole counties combined... I had chances to take cuttings of that roadkill any time I wanted to, but never ceased to even imagine it. No way would I ever do that sort of thing, no matter how bad I wanted it. It was and still is my favorite pot. Not as much has been around in the past 5 years as there was before then, but I can still get my QP to smoke on every year. You will absolutely NEVER find a seed in this stuff, not me, not anyone I have ever spoken with. I would imagine as much as this strain means to him, they likely go through every pound of it in search of seeds.
Well my last visit with him, maybe a month and a half ago he had spoken about how he was pretty much done growing commercially and that his health would no longer allow him to get out and do the things he wants to do. I thought to myself immediately that now was my chance, that maybe he would at least give me a cutting of the momma and daddy Roadkill... So I brought it up.. I asked him what he would take for a cut or two... His reply was quiet straight forward, as always "ahhh I can't do that, I think I'm gonna hang on to it"... Of course I sunk inside, as always because I really really since the day I tried it wanted that strain. I have grown every thing labeled with skunk and roadkill you could ever imagine. I have went through tons of land race Afghan seeds brought to me by a family member of mine that was in special forces, straight from Afghanistan and the hash plantations, never found anything close to the Roadkill in those... Sure some nauseating odor producers but not that skunk spray odor, never. Once you smell it you will know, what strains you have smelled that you think smell skunky is NOT skunky at all. Speaking of which, I do have a lot of the seeds left that he brought back from Afghanistan. So my point is, I have never been able to find what I was looking for. The closest I had found was back in the early 90s here in Ky when all the Afghan and middle eastern seeds was smuggled in, some were close. For years all that was grown around here was afghani strains. But then that fell out around 2000 and hybrids started taking over. The Roadkill had been around since the 70s though and according to the old man, as far as he knows there is no afghan in the line... I will have to ask him again, but he claimed it coming from some hippies that moved out here from California and I believe Mexico and a biker comes into play as well somewhere in that story. I will confirm when I see him again.
Well back to my point... Before I left his cabin that day, when I got up off the couch and started to go out the door he hollered and said "hang on just a minute I got something for ya", so I stood by the wood stove warming my hands and waited... He come back and threw me a pill bottle... Honestly I firstly thought he was throwing me a bottle of oxycodone or some pain killer that he was threw with as he was never one to want to take pills... Nope, it was a bottle of seeds... He said " those are some of the skunk seeds out of the last batch I bred"(he does not personally refer to it as Roadkill, just "skunk" but believe me... It IS THE Roadkill)... Told me to "do what you want with em, I can't give you a clone but I will give you those seeds"... My heart sunk and In almost collapsed. Ever since I just sometimes pour a few out and just look at them until this day I am still shocked that they are in my possession... From the fucking 1970s, pure roadkill skunk seeds... I used to look through every little piece of bud I could for one damn seed and never had I ever found it...
I planned on open pollinating these seeds and spreading the love to the people whom have been searching all of this time, to relive that memory they had of skipping school and cruising the back roads while twisting up and burnin that big fat hog leg in their 69 camaro jamming to some 70s or 80s rock n roll... Almost on the verge of a psychedelic induced trip. The skunk does that to you. Your eyes will look like the flames of hell, smoke too much and you'll sweat beads...
However.... After read in threads like this I don't even know if I want to release them anymore... I just popped my first batch about 6 days ago. I don't know where I'm going with this project yet, so do know they will have heavy dominance in this years guerilla grow and that I will be open pollinating a patch of these to obtain even more seeds. I will post pics on my thread as the time goes....
He once said their was about 3 or 4 phenos to be found... I had only seen 2 that stood out the most to me when I used to help him grow.
I want to get this out there to the people that really truly are in love with this strain and those that have places in their heart for it. I just don't want it to fall into the wrong hands... I am still debating my final decision... Have a wonderful morning IC.
For reasons in this thread, is one reason why I am hesitating to release the Kentucky Roadkill Skunk seeds aka "Hillbilly Roadkill". The roots of that strain has been here since the 70's. The old man on the mountain knows nothing of technology, just a straight hermit bound hippie that has kept this strain alive. He got cancer a couple of years ago and has had a very steep uphill battle ever since. What I can say is that he has finally beat the devil beneath his skin and come out in victory, bless his great soul...
He has the Roadkill mother, he has the father. He has been open pollinating these two since he stabilized the Roadkill in the genes back in what he claims to be around the early 90s. I have begged him for cuts back in the day of this infamous plant, yet he never let go of it no matter the offer. When I say its tightly held, it is tightly held. The man has no knowledge of a cell phone, keyboard nor does he know the up to date new knowledge of breeding and the whole cannabis scene. He is just a hillbilly hermit, who stays to himself and his brothers, farming the Roadkill in the heart of the Appalachians, mostly so they can get by and live a comfortable life all while being able to resist and withdrawal from the rest of society that is harming the world today... Good people I tell ya, very very honest and down to earth people.
To make a long story short, when he got well, to the point of being able to get up and walk around and sit and hold something other than delusional conversation I went to visit him. He is a long time friend of mine and back in the 90s and early 2ks he is the oone that gave me at least 75% of the knowledge I know for guerilla growing. I have grown huge patches with these guys and in the perimeter of 3 whole counties combined... I had chances to take cuttings of that roadkill any time I wanted to, but never ceased to even imagine it. No way would I ever do that sort of thing, no matter how bad I wanted it. It was and still is my favorite pot. Not as much has been around in the past 5 years as there was before then, but I can still get my QP to smoke on every year. You will absolutely NEVER find a seed in this stuff, not me, not anyone I have ever spoken with. I would imagine as much as this strain means to him, they likely go through every pound of it in search of seeds.
Well my last visit with him, maybe a month and a half ago he had spoken about how he was pretty much done growing commercially and that his health would no longer allow him to get out and do the things he wants to do. I thought to myself immediately that now was my chance, that maybe he would at least give me a cutting of the momma and daddy Roadkill... So I brought it up.. I asked him what he would take for a cut or two... His reply was quiet straight forward, as always "ahhh I can't do that, I think I'm gonna hang on to it"... Of course I sunk inside, as always because I really really since the day I tried it wanted that strain. I have grown every thing labeled with skunk and roadkill you could ever imagine. I have went through tons of land race Afghan seeds brought to me by a family member of mine that was in special forces, straight from Afghanistan and the hash plantations, never found anything close to the Roadkill in those... Sure some nauseating odor producers but not that skunk spray odor, never. Once you smell it you will know, what strains you have smelled that you think smell skunky is NOT skunky at all. Speaking of which, I do have a lot of the seeds left that he brought back from Afghanistan. So my point is, I have never been able to find what I was looking for. The closest I had found was back in the early 90s here in Ky when all the Afghan and middle eastern seeds was smuggled in, some were close. For years all that was grown around here was afghani strains. But then that fell out around 2000 and hybrids started taking over. The Roadkill had been around since the 70s though and according to the old man, as far as he knows there is no afghan in the line... I will have to ask him again, but he claimed it coming from some hippies that moved out here from California and I believe Mexico and a biker comes into play as well somewhere in that story. I will confirm when I see him again.
Well back to my point... Before I left his cabin that day, when I got up off the couch and started to go out the door he hollered and said "hang on just a minute I got something for ya", so I stood by the wood stove warming my hands and waited... He come back and threw me a pill bottle... Honestly I firstly thought he was throwing me a bottle of oxycodone or some pain killer that he was threw with as he was never one to want to take pills... Nope, it was a bottle of seeds... He said " those are some of the skunk seeds out of the last batch I bred"(he does not personally refer to it as Roadkill, just "skunk" but believe me... It IS THE Roadkill)... Told me to "do what you want with em, I can't give you a clone but I will give you those seeds"... My heart sunk and In almost collapsed. Ever since I just sometimes pour a few out and just look at them until this day I am still shocked that they are in my possession... From the fucking 1970s, pure roadkill skunk seeds... I used to look through every little piece of bud I could for one damn seed and never had I ever found it...
I planned on open pollinating these seeds and spreading the love to the people whom have been searching all of this time, to relive that memory they had of skipping school and cruising the back roads while twisting up and burnin that big fat hog leg in their 69 camaro jamming to some 70s or 80s rock n roll... Almost on the verge of a psychedelic induced trip. The skunk does that to you. Your eyes will look like the flames of hell, smoke too much and you'll sweat beads...
However.... After read in threads like this I don't even know if I want to release them anymore... I just popped my first batch about 6 days ago. I don't know where I'm going with this project yet, so do know they will have heavy dominance in this years guerilla grow and that I will be open pollinating a patch of these to obtain even more seeds. I will post pics on my thread as the time goes....
He once said their was about 3 or 4 phenos to be found... I had only seen 2 that stood out the most to me when I used to help him grow.
I want to get this out there to the people that really truly are in love with this strain and those that have places in their heart for it. I just don't want it to fall into the wrong hands... I am still debating my final decision... Have a wonderful morning IC.
W
Water-
and some people travel and collect their own
Ive heard a lot of good comments about Maple Leaf Indica. I have some in bud now.
I also pollenated a dozen assorted females with some Maple pollen this morning. Standard
I love good Afghani
I also pollenated a dozen assorted females with some Maple pollen this morning. Standard
I love good Afghani
G
Guest
Maple leaf indica is a real nice strain or at least it was dont know about now though.
Heres some plants from a maple dad to a dc girl, results were very good with some phenos with a chocolate orange flavour and a sticky and long lasting taste on the tongue
Attachments
Well their is a whole lot of truth in this thread. A lot of depth to every ones pleas... You guys have hearts of gold!
For reasons in this thread, is one reason why I am hesitating to release the Kentucky Roadkill Skunk seeds aka "Hillbilly Roadkill". The roots of that strain has been here since the 70's. The old man on the mountain knows nothing of technology, just a straight hermit bound hippie that has kept this strain alive. He got cancer a couple of years ago and has had a very steep uphill battle ever since. What I can say is that he has finally beat the devil beneath his skin and come out in victory, bless his great soul...
He has the Roadkill mother, he has the father. He has been open pollinating these two since he stabilized the Roadkill in the genes back in what he claims to be around the early 90s. I have begged him for cuts back in the day of this infamous plant, yet he never let go of it no matter the offer. When I say its tightly held, it is tightly held. The man has no knowledge of a cell phone, keyboard nor does he know the up to date new knowledge of breeding and the whole cannabis scene. He is just a hillbilly hermit, who stays to himself and his brothers, farming the Roadkill in the heart of the Appalachians, mostly so they can get by and live a comfortable life all while being able to resist and withdrawal from the rest of society that is harming the world today... Good people I tell ya, very very honest and down to earth people.
To make a long story short, when he got well, to the point of being able to get up and walk around and sit and hold something other than delusional conversation I went to visit him. He is a long time friend of mine and back in the 90s and early 2ks he is the oone that gave me at least 75% of the knowledge I know for guerilla growing. I have grown huge patches with these guys and in the perimeter of 3 whole counties combined... I had chances to take cuttings of that roadkill any time I wanted to, but never ceased to even imagine it. No way would I ever do that sort of thing, no matter how bad I wanted it. It was and still is my favorite pot. Not as much has been around in the past 5 years as there was before then, but I can still get my QP to smoke on every year. You will absolutely NEVER find a seed in this stuff, not me, not anyone I have ever spoken with. I would imagine as much as this strain means to him, they likely go through every pound of it in search of seeds.
Well my last visit with him, maybe a month and a half ago he had spoken about how he was pretty much done growing commercially and that his health would no longer allow him to get out and do the things he wants to do. I thought to myself immediately that now was my chance, that maybe he would at least give me a cutting of the momma and daddy Roadkill... So I brought it up.. I asked him what he would take for a cut or two... His reply was quiet straight forward, as always "ahhh I can't do that, I think I'm gonna hang on to it"... Of course I sunk inside, as always because I really really since the day I tried it wanted that strain. I have grown every thing labeled with skunk and roadkill you could ever imagine. I have went through tons of land race Afghan seeds brought to me by a family member of mine that was in special forces, straight from Afghanistan and the hash plantations, never found anything close to the Roadkill in those... Sure some nauseating odor producers but not that skunk spray odor, never. Once you smell it you will know, what strains you have smelled that you think smell skunky is NOT skunky at all. Speaking of which, I do have a lot of the seeds left that he brought back from Afghanistan. So my point is, I have never been able to find what I was looking for. The closest I had found was back in the early 90s here in Ky when all the Afghan and middle eastern seeds was smuggled in, some were close. For years all that was grown around here was afghani strains. But then that fell out around 2000 and hybrids started taking over. The Roadkill had been around since the 70s though and according to the old man, as far as he knows there is no afghan in the line... I will have to ask him again, but he claimed it coming from some hippies that moved out here from California and I believe Mexico and a biker comes into play as well somewhere in that story. I will confirm when I see him again.
Well back to my point... Before I left his cabin that day, when I got up off the couch and started to go out the door he hollered and said "hang on just a minute I got something for ya", so I stood by the wood stove warming my hands and waited... He come back and threw me a pill bottle... Honestly I firstly thought he was throwing me a bottle of oxycodone or some pain killer that he was threw with as he was never one to want to take pills... Nope, it was a bottle of seeds... He said " those are some of the skunk seeds out of the last batch I bred"(he does not personally refer to it as Roadkill, just "skunk" but believe me... It IS THE Roadkill)... Told me to "do what you want with em, I can't give you a clone but I will give you those seeds"... My heart sunk and In almost collapsed. Ever since I just sometimes pour a few out and just look at them until this day I am still shocked that they are in my possession... From the fucking 1970s, pure roadkill skunk seeds... I used to look through every little piece of bud I could for one damn seed and never had I ever found it...
I planned on open pollinating these seeds and spreading the love to the people whom have been searching all of this time, to relive that memory they had of skipping school and cruising the back roads while twisting up and burnin that big fat hog leg in their 69 camaro jamming to some 70s or 80s rock n roll... Almost on the verge of a psychedelic induced trip. The skunk does that to you. Your eyes will look like the flames of hell, smoke too much and you'll sweat beads...
However.... After read in threads like this I don't even know if I want to release them anymore... I just popped my first batch about 6 days ago. I don't know where I'm going with this project yet, so do know they will have heavy dominance in this years guerilla grow and that I will be open pollinating a patch of these to obtain even more seeds. I will post pics on my thread as the time goes....
He once said their was about 3 or 4 phenos to be found... I had only seen 2 that stood out the most to me when I used to help him grow.
I want to get this out there to the people that really truly are in love with this strain and those that have places in their heart for it. I just don't want it to fall into the wrong hands... I am still debating my final decision... Have a wonderful morning IC.
Sounds like a really interesting dude. I would love to to meet a brother with this type of life experience. The seeds are great but the real treasure is the dude that gave you the seeds.
Yup.
Real Skunk is just called "Skunk"
Theres a bunch of different phenos in the line (like 8 of em)
Real Skunk is just called "Skunk"
Theres a bunch of different phenos in the line (like 8 of em)
Uncle Festers/Hells Angels Club18
1969 Skunk#18 IBL Open Pollination- Original Skunk#1
2/3 Sativa 1/3 Indica
These are Original Skunk#1 line derived from 1969 stock via Inbred line, passed to Master Thai after his uncles passing in Eureka, CA. Pre Skunkman Skunk#1. And also go by a few other handles, Such as Uncle Festers Skunk#18 IBL(from the keeper), Professor Beatnik Skunk#18 IBL, Hells Angels Skunk, Cali Skunk, we choose one truer to form being 69′ Skunk#18 IBL which is when these Skunk seeds were derived from.
Number 5 and number 7 female are the RKS leaners from our open pollination run and will be hunted down further, they are included in this open pollination release. Id say the RKS pops up in 20% of the expression.
The number 20 male was dead on Match to the 5 female so something to keep in mind very animal musk scented with good acrid chemical touches. Number 5 female was tops in the true bouquet and super musky acrid chemical eye and nose burning skunk musk funk, dead on, and then theres the other great males were present.
Extremely pungent onion chemical fuel male Number 20, and the frostiest sativa dominant number 8 had the Cheese musk heavy as well on a totally different build highly on 7 female but more animal musk on the aged cheese funk.
Number 2 is raw white onion chemical and the dankest rich soil humus as rich as any ground coffee but not coffee. Stout hybrid 50/50 look. Has was i call “Onion” tail leaf. Early on she is pure raw white onion chemical. Very acrid and then it evens out by finish into a wonderful bouquet. Heavily double serrated individual. Very quality plant with extremely thick cola formations. A good 10-11 week flower. Yield is high. Calyx to leaf ratio is low. Node spacing is tight.
Number 5 Female Afghani Dominant heavy “stretch” monocola look. Old Musky acrid chemical eye and nose burning skunk musk funk. Elongated Claw reaching leaf, golfball ghani stature and very Acrid. Purple leaf and darker Skunk look. Half Double Serrated type individual. Yield is high. Calyx to leaf ratio was average compared to the other phenos. Node spacing is average.
Number 7 female. Purer mexi sativa expression. “Chemical Spray” dominant. She is pure burning acrid chemical strong as Trinity in her chemical burn and it doesnt let up. Stomach churn, nose and eyes burn. They have true linger and permeating quality and its inside the plants grease, not just the flower scent. Full plant double serrations. A good 12 week plus flower with early Mexi scents heavy. Elmers glue trichome, extreme calyx and very tight dense build. Yield is above average. Calyx to leaf ratio is low. Node spacing is average.
Number 9 female is colgate trash juice, damn near rotten scope mouthwash. Stout hybrid 50/50 look. Green Acrid Chemical astringent with a touch of rotten rubber. Not pleasant stomach churn quality. A good 12 week flower. Yield is above average. Calyx to leaf ratio is low. Node spacing is average.
Number 10 female is brand new vinyl, clear bouncie ball rubber and pure chemical terpenes. Sativa, Colombian dominant Mexi extreme Calyx stack Pheno. Extreme dense and caked with pure goop. Fully double serrated individual. Yield is above average. Calyx to leaf ratio is low. Node spacing is tight for her 12 week flower.
Number 11 Female, and Number 14, are on the cheese path and each is highly acrid chemical on top of that funk. 11 being that yellow auto interior foam insulation, dead on and super tasty, if you like those sweet chemical noses. Also huge football buds. The plant was extreme thin leaf double serrated sativa. Of all the females she was the biggest throw down, least tight nug structure but still absolutely dripping and a huge kief producer. Extreme coloration. By finish she was that same profile auto interior foam, with an added black hash burn finish extremely reminiscent of the 89′ Uk Cheese just more chemical oriented. Calyx to leaf ratio extremely low. Node spacing average.
Number 14 being the truly gamey animal chemical cheese funk. Stout hybrid look and one of the frostiest of the group And thats saying something. Good classic noses to this gal at points where astringent bleaches, to onion chem spray, and finishing on the final profile once dry. A good 12 week plus flower. Calyx to leaf ratio is quite low. Node spacing is average.
These are pre release. Keepers selected from a 4 pack seed run and repopulated. Felt this is something needed doing with the current focus on Skunk1 genetic but also the Fact of the originator of these seeds ripping folks off and not keeping his word to many members in our community for no reason whatsoever, especially when his genetic selection is solid.
He is Master Thai Organic Seed garden and our open pollination recreation was never to harm but rather to preserve the experience for everyone. This is his uncles line, preserved via seed stock and kept mother for us to enjoy and thats what i intend for all, not to rip anyone off like where these originate. Like i always say, we let the genetic speak.
So there is a few underlying circumstances that have lead me to give you the same shot that I have for Magic. The Main is because it is what the genetic and the plant derserves and so do you.
So Please, ENJOY!
The Nature Farmer
1969 Skunk#18 IBL Open Pollination- Original Skunk#1
2/3 Sativa 1/3 Indica
These are Original Skunk#1 line derived from 1969 stock via Inbred line, passed to Master Thai after his uncles passing in Eureka, CA. Pre Skunkman Skunk#1. And also go by a few other handles, Such as Uncle Festers Skunk#18 IBL(from the keeper), Professor Beatnik Skunk#18 IBL, Hells Angels Skunk, Cali Skunk, we choose one truer to form being 69′ Skunk#18 IBL which is when these Skunk seeds were derived from.
Number 5 and number 7 female are the RKS leaners from our open pollination run and will be hunted down further, they are included in this open pollination release. Id say the RKS pops up in 20% of the expression.
The number 20 male was dead on Match to the 5 female so something to keep in mind very animal musk scented with good acrid chemical touches. Number 5 female was tops in the true bouquet and super musky acrid chemical eye and nose burning skunk musk funk, dead on, and then theres the other great males were present.
Extremely pungent onion chemical fuel male Number 20, and the frostiest sativa dominant number 8 had the Cheese musk heavy as well on a totally different build highly on 7 female but more animal musk on the aged cheese funk.
Number 2 is raw white onion chemical and the dankest rich soil humus as rich as any ground coffee but not coffee. Stout hybrid 50/50 look. Has was i call “Onion” tail leaf. Early on she is pure raw white onion chemical. Very acrid and then it evens out by finish into a wonderful bouquet. Heavily double serrated individual. Very quality plant with extremely thick cola formations. A good 10-11 week flower. Yield is high. Calyx to leaf ratio is low. Node spacing is tight.
Number 5 Female Afghani Dominant heavy “stretch” monocola look. Old Musky acrid chemical eye and nose burning skunk musk funk. Elongated Claw reaching leaf, golfball ghani stature and very Acrid. Purple leaf and darker Skunk look. Half Double Serrated type individual. Yield is high. Calyx to leaf ratio was average compared to the other phenos. Node spacing is average.
Number 7 female. Purer mexi sativa expression. “Chemical Spray” dominant. She is pure burning acrid chemical strong as Trinity in her chemical burn and it doesnt let up. Stomach churn, nose and eyes burn. They have true linger and permeating quality and its inside the plants grease, not just the flower scent. Full plant double serrations. A good 12 week plus flower with early Mexi scents heavy. Elmers glue trichome, extreme calyx and very tight dense build. Yield is above average. Calyx to leaf ratio is low. Node spacing is average.
Number 9 female is colgate trash juice, damn near rotten scope mouthwash. Stout hybrid 50/50 look. Green Acrid Chemical astringent with a touch of rotten rubber. Not pleasant stomach churn quality. A good 12 week flower. Yield is above average. Calyx to leaf ratio is low. Node spacing is average.
Number 10 female is brand new vinyl, clear bouncie ball rubber and pure chemical terpenes. Sativa, Colombian dominant Mexi extreme Calyx stack Pheno. Extreme dense and caked with pure goop. Fully double serrated individual. Yield is above average. Calyx to leaf ratio is low. Node spacing is tight for her 12 week flower.
Number 11 Female, and Number 14, are on the cheese path and each is highly acrid chemical on top of that funk. 11 being that yellow auto interior foam insulation, dead on and super tasty, if you like those sweet chemical noses. Also huge football buds. The plant was extreme thin leaf double serrated sativa. Of all the females she was the biggest throw down, least tight nug structure but still absolutely dripping and a huge kief producer. Extreme coloration. By finish she was that same profile auto interior foam, with an added black hash burn finish extremely reminiscent of the 89′ Uk Cheese just more chemical oriented. Calyx to leaf ratio extremely low. Node spacing average.
Number 14 being the truly gamey animal chemical cheese funk. Stout hybrid look and one of the frostiest of the group And thats saying something. Good classic noses to this gal at points where astringent bleaches, to onion chem spray, and finishing on the final profile once dry. A good 12 week plus flower. Calyx to leaf ratio is quite low. Node spacing is average.
These are pre release. Keepers selected from a 4 pack seed run and repopulated. Felt this is something needed doing with the current focus on Skunk1 genetic but also the Fact of the originator of these seeds ripping folks off and not keeping his word to many members in our community for no reason whatsoever, especially when his genetic selection is solid.
He is Master Thai Organic Seed garden and our open pollination recreation was never to harm but rather to preserve the experience for everyone. This is his uncles line, preserved via seed stock and kept mother for us to enjoy and thats what i intend for all, not to rip anyone off like where these originate. Like i always say, we let the genetic speak.
So there is a few underlying circumstances that have lead me to give you the same shot that I have for Magic. The Main is because it is what the genetic and the plant derserves and so do you.
So Please, ENJOY!
The Nature Farmer
Black Kandahar x Kashmir( Bodhi seeds) tester free
2males
the odor is complex 1is soft menthol and the 2 is more onion spiced background,
i cant tell is a pure indica, i see some %sativa but i need flower soon,
1keeper female complex odor like new plastic card,
2males
the odor is complex 1is soft menthol and the 2 is more onion spiced background,
i cant tell is a pure indica, i see some %sativa but i need flower soon,
1keeper female complex odor like new plastic card,
How can he say 1964 when the Affy (MiS) didnt arrive in Cali until '68?
Uncle Fester Joined the Hells Angels, in 1964, and his marijuana breeding began then.
Sacred Seeds starting collecting seeds in the 40s, and Romulan was "Possibly" the first Indica Dominant strain in the USA.
Romulan came from Korea,in the early 50s, and later on Federation Seeds got the genetics, and has been crossed up from what it was originally.
But Indica has been in USA before 1968. Beatnicks were treking to Afghanistan, Nepal, and India in the 50s, and were 100% for sure bringing shit back. You used to be able to drive from Europe, to Afghanistan/India.
Taxonomoy speaking.... ALL Dug Cannabis is INDICA.
Really,
Sacred Seeds started collecting in the 40s?
Not true, just a fake made up news story.
I started Sacred Seeds in 1975, named it, and collected, grew and bred all the seeds sold by Sacred Seeds and collected during my international travels and from my grower friends.
I hope your other "facts" are true but I doubt it.
I never saw WLD Indicas pre 1960's in the USA, I traveled to Afghanistan in 1971 (hitch hiked from N Africa) and then I did. I do not know who was first to grow WLD Indica on the West coast USA, but it was not me.
You are correct that all drug Cannabis is Indica be they WLD or NLD, I stated this on one of my first releases in the mid 70's S Indian Kerala seeds a NLD variety I collected in Munnar Kerala, from the farmers in the mountains, the package states Cannabis Indica on it and shows a NLD from Kerala.
-SamS
Sacred Seeds started collecting in the 40s?
Not true, just a fake made up news story.
I started Sacred Seeds in 1975, named it, and collected, grew and bred all the seeds sold by Sacred Seeds and collected during my international travels and from my grower friends.
I hope your other "facts" are true but I doubt it.
I never saw WLD Indicas pre 1960's in the USA, I traveled to Afghanistan in 1971 (hitch hiked from N Africa) and then I did. I do not know who was first to grow WLD Indica on the West coast USA, but it was not me.
You are correct that all drug Cannabis is Indica be they WLD or NLD, I stated this on one of my first releases in the mid 70's S Indian Kerala seeds a NLD variety I collected in Munnar Kerala, from the farmers in the mountains, the package states Cannabis Indica on it and shows a NLD from Kerala.
-SamS
Last edited:
i have become a big fan of deep chunk as a heavy indica, is it considered a landrace?
One more point I see a lot of posts that people are conserving or preserving a landrace, or trying to.
The simple truth is that unless you grow 1000+ females and 1000+ males from seeds, you are not conserving all the genes in any landrace. Each year you reproduce the landrace variety with smaller populations you are losing genes and altering the variety, in 10-20 years it is just not the same.
Cannabis is a dioecious obligate outcrossed and requires large plant numbers to keep all the genes maintained in a landrace, no one is doing this in the West, at least in the past.
Crossa, J. et al. 1993. Statistical genetic considerations for maintaining germ plasm collections. Theoretical and Applied Genetics 86: 673-678.
-SamS
The simple truth is that unless you grow 1000+ females and 1000+ males from seeds, you are not conserving all the genes in any landrace. Each year you reproduce the landrace variety with smaller populations you are losing genes and altering the variety, in 10-20 years it is just not the same.
Cannabis is a dioecious obligate outcrossed and requires large plant numbers to keep all the genes maintained in a landrace, no one is doing this in the West, at least in the past.
Crossa, J. et al. 1993. Statistical genetic considerations for maintaining germ plasm collections. Theoretical and Applied Genetics 86: 673-678.
-SamS
Coughie
Member
Which is why the preservation efforts eventually turn these landraces into heirlooms, as is the case with Deep Chunk.
Preservation at this time is equally accomplished by both the open pollination of individuals of the largest population that can be done safely, but also with making sure to stretch these reproductions out over time to lessen the amount of degradation/generations to the gene pool before the political climate changes.
Of course, in any case, genetics are effected in the sense of a bottleneck/founder effect, regardless of how many plants you have... 1000+ or not, over the long run, it's eventually not Afghani if it's not in Afghanistan.
It doesn't mean preservation efforts aren't important though.
Preservation at this time is equally accomplished by both the open pollination of individuals of the largest population that can be done safely, but also with making sure to stretch these reproductions out over time to lessen the amount of degradation/generations to the gene pool before the political climate changes.
Of course, in any case, genetics are effected in the sense of a bottleneck/founder effect, regardless of how many plants you have... 1000+ or not, over the long run, it's eventually not Afghani if it's not in Afghanistan.
It doesn't mean preservation efforts aren't important though.
If you do not use 1000 males and 1000 females I can assure you genes are being lost and that is not preservation of a landrace.
I also disagree that an Afghani population will have different genes if it is reproduced in Afghanistan or the same seeds were reproduced in S Cali, not that any growers in Cali are doing open pollinated crops of landraces with populations in the thousands from seeds that are directly from a landrace, but they could.
Also 1000+ M & 1000+ F is just the minimum needed to prevent loss of genes every reproduction cycle, if you want to breed and improve the landrace, instead of just preserve it, you may want many thousands of plants? I would. Then I could trash losers and keep the quality as high as possible.
Preservation done with the best intentions by using open pollination, but not the numbers of plants required is not real preservation, specially after a few decades....
-SamS
