Monsanto's Roundup disaster

[El Toker]

It's correct, this thread shows no science but reality of the so-called science of Monsanto and consequences of it.They predicted they could feed the world with their labcrops, but instead the world is facing a disaster of large proportions.This is not made up by some environmental groups, but todays practice.

Namaste

I'm not going to argue about Monsanto's business practices. However, the things that are said about them are as much about as supporting a luddite anti-progress philosophy as they are about reality. It is a political thread.

 

[El Toker]

this thread as nothing to do with science as GMO as nothing to do with the so called progress!!!!!! ahahahahahahahha

let's eat that shit as much as you can my brother......but don't try to spread it around if people don't want it!!!!

I'd respond if what you said made any sense at all. However, like much of this thread it is little more than barely literate nonsense.

 

[The Boys]

monsanto is like an evil corperation, they are the ones responsible for the bovine growth hormone that leads to puss in milk and painfull dissorders in the cows injected with it. use of the hormone is illigal in canada and the UK ( thank fuck ) and the milk produced from the use of the stuff contains the hormone. I have no idea how the use of that shit is legal in the usa.

 

[elmanito]

I'm not going to argue about Monsanto's business practices. However, the things that are said about them are as much about as supporting a luddite anti-progress philosophy as they are about reality. It is a political thread.

Well so far you didn't know but Monsanto runs the politics (FDA).Every 4 years you can vote, but it is not you who decide who will run the White House, but the big multinationals.

Namaste

 

[BrnCow]

Corporations are just like governments. There is no one responsible to be held accountable so there is no ass to kick if they fuck you over. Just a big building and sign and bank account. They all need to be accountable...that is the problem

 

[prowler]

It's also no secret that who ever controls water, food and money controls everything and this is exactly what is happening right under our eyes. All seeing eye. There is always higher and narrower step in the pyramid wether we see it or not does not matter - it still exists.

 

[Hazeo]

Thats all sooo sad - they should put these guys into prison!

Yeah i mean, it is so f***ed up that they can do all these things to the people and the nature, and we can´t do anything (that will really directly stop them) against it.

Poltitics should be aware about this problem as well and of course they should be interested to fix this issue!

It is so sad that these things are so well known since a long time but they are still producing...



regards
Hazeo

edit: sorry, for my english, it is not my mothertongue

 

[ion]

i *think* i just read something about "theres no science in this thread"....??......luddite/political fuming?

theres not enough slander in this thread yet to match the sheer vile disgustingess that is M.

they do not need to be jailed.

the numbers 86 pop into my mind.

if you want to talk about "science", read for a month solid about M, their buddies(ADM, syngenta,etc). about the "rigorous testing" of the shit they spew and you'll understand the anarcho-primivist/luddite/old hippie responses you see hear.

 

[El Toker]

i *think* i just read something about "theres no science in this thread"....??......luddite/political fuming?

theres not enough slander in this thread yet to match the sheer vile disgustingess that is M.

they do not need to be jailed.

the numbers 86 pop into my mind.

if you want to talk about "science", read for a month solid about M, their buddies(ADM, syngenta,etc). about the "rigorous testing" of the shit they spew and you'll understand the anarcho-primivist/luddite/old hippie responses you see hear.

Like I say, this thread has nothing to do with science. Just luddite bullshit and ecotard hating. You don't like Monsanto, I get it, but it's got fuck all to do with the subject of this forum. There's plenty of scope for this type of thread in the conspiracies forums, it belongs amongst the illuminati and alien rectal probe threads.

 

[prowler]

Just because you're angry at your friend - the local doobie lunatic - who smokes too much and preaches bout illuminati, monsanto etc does not give you a reason to come here and post bullshit opinions.

 

[Wolverine97]

It's legal because our legislative body(s) can, and are, bought for a price. Our government is so in bed with big Ag it's disgusting.

monsanto is like an evil corperation, they are the ones responsible for the bovine growth hormone that leads to puss in milk and painfull dissorders in the cows injected with it. use of the hormone is illigal in canada and the UK ( thank fuck ) and the milk produced from the use of the stuff contains the hormone. I have no idea how the use of that shit is legal in the usa.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

What's an "ecotard"?

What would one who is apathetic towards agriculture and unconcerned about the future be referred to as?

 

[elmanito]

Here is another one specially for El Toker

Monsanto and Genetically Modified Crops - Is there a cover-up?

Does Monsanto know what it is doing? Do, we, the public have all the facts? Is genetically modified food safe? Are food products which contain it clearly labelled? Is Monsanto, knowingly or unknowingly, destroying the biosphere? Is genetically modified produce a health hazard? For those who do not wish to get scared, please do not read on.

Monsanto. Haven't we heard that name before? Yes, do you remember who created Agent Orange? Do you remember who created DDT? Do you remember who created Aspartame?

If we are what we eat, then we have a right to know the answers to these questions. And there are more. Why are cancers of the digestive system rising exponentially? Let us start with Monsanto's wonderful herbicide, Roundup.

The journal Current Microbiology has just released a report (1) on a substance called Glyphosate, created by Monsanto in the 1970s and used in Roundup. The report is shocking. It reveals that studies prove that Glyphosate is altering and destroying the micro-organisms in the soil, which has a potential effect upon the health of crops growing in it.

So devastating are the effects, according to the report, that some bacteria have disappeared from certain areas where Roundup was used to spray vast areas of land and apart from this, use of the product has spurred the appearance of superweeds, meaning that in turn farmers have to use greater and greater concentrations of the product. The soil is as a result being rendered barren for future generations.

Far more worrying are fears that the use of this herbicide is killing organisms whose benefit on a planetary scale has not yet been fully investigated and whose elimination from the ecological chain may have very serious consequences.

But this is just the tip of the iceberg. What happens to Glyphosate? It works its way down through the topsoil to the groundwater below and from there finds its way into our water supply - underground water currents and springs. This is not conjecture: virtually all rain samples tested in the USA contain Glyphosate.

What does the US Department of Agriculture do? Why, nothing! And this, despite the fact that other investigations have warned that Glyphosate can be carcinogenic, reducing fertility and increasing risk of cancer because it is genotoxic, damaging the DNA chain.

The problem is not only restricted to the USA. Superweeds have lasting damaging effects upon the soil and nowadays already cover millions of hectares in the USA, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Chile, the EU and South Africa.

Cancer, infertility, barren land, destruction of DNA, destruction of micro-organisms which may be crucial for the planet's ecosystem, superweeds...what else? Well it appears we have been here before. In fact, Monsanto has just agreed to pay out 93 million USD for the effects of an explosion at its plant in Nitro, West Virginia involving the herbicide 2,4,5-T which contained the toxic agent dioxin. But there are still 80,000 property damage claims against the firm.

In fact, an investigation of the Nitro Residents v. Monsanto case reveals some horrific allegations which involve contamination of the environment, cover-ups, falsification of studies...you name it. But hey, as a government contractor, Monsanto has always enjoyed government immunity in the USA.

And what was that about Monsanto not serving Genetically Engineered (GE) food in its own canteens? Well, when we take into consideration that Glyphosate destroys human kidney cells at concentrations 450 times lower than the concentration used in agricultural applications... and when we consider the very little information available on the real potential dangers lurking behind GE foodstuffs, it is hardly surprising.

What is unacceptable is that while the long-term effects of consumption of GE food are still not available, GE seeds are spreading round the planet on wind currents and on aquifers. Remember the respected scientist Arpad Pusztai?

Arpad Pusztai is an expert in biochemistry and nutrition who worked at the Rowett Research Institute in Aberdeen, Scotland. When he released information about his discovery that Genetically Modified potatoes create severe damage to the immune system and organs of rats, he was suspended, threatened with a lawsuit and handed a gagging order, while his findings were denied or distorted. The gagging order was later lifted and when he went public again there was a massive recall of products. The US consumer was, of course, the last to know.

Before I finish, a question: Why do mice, rats, geese, cows, pigs, elk and squirrels avoid eating GM foods when given the choice?

Who would like to be a Monsanto shareholder now? I sure as heck wouldn't.

(1) Effects of Roundup® and Glyphosate on Three Food Microorganisms: Geotrichum candidum, Lactococcus lactis subsp. cremoris and Lactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus

Sources: Greenpeace; NaturalNews

Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey

Pravda.Ru

Namaste

 

[mr.brunch]

this world is f***ed up

 

[exploziv]

the world is a fu##ed up place nowdays.. and they are still working on f**cking it a bit more every day..

 

[elmanito]

Farmers must spend more on herbicides as effectiveness fades

A much-used herbicide, which for years has helped farmers throughout the United States increase profits, is losing its effectiveness and forcing producers to spend more and use more chemicals to control the weeds that threaten yields.

"I've gone from budgeting $45 an acre just two years ago to spending more than $100 an acre now to control weeds," said Mississippi farmer John McKee, who grows corn, cotton and soybeans on his 3,300-acre farm in the Delta.

The problem is Roundup, a herbicide introduced in the 1970s, and its partner, Roundup Ready crop seeds, genetically modified to withstand Roundup's active ingredient, glyphosate. In 1996, Monsanto introduced Roundup Ready soybean, soon touted as a game changer.

"It was an extremely valuable and useful tool for the past 15 years," said Bob Scott, extension weed scientist with the University of Arkansas.
But now, weeds that Roundup once controlled are becoming resistant to glyphosate, Scott said.

"It's a very, very serious issue here in the Delta," licensed crop consultant Joe Townsend said. "We're knee-deep in it."
As overuse of antibiotics led to resistant bugs or superbugs, the almost exclusive use of glyphosate led to resistant populations of weeds, such as pigweed and ryegrass. Glyphosate-resistant weeds have been identified in Australia, South America and China, according to the International Survey of Herbicide-Resistant Weeds.

To combat resistant weeds, farmers are turning to older methods of weed control — more chemicals and more tillage, which leads to increased rates of soil erosion. "I used so many chemicals last year, it made me silly," McKee said. "We're going backwards 15 years."
Bill Freese, science policy analyst at the Center for Food Safety in Washington, D.C., says the use of more chemicals has real public health implications. "It increases the chances they will get into our food and water." Weed resistance to herbicides is not new. But, Freese says, it's happening at a much quicker rate. "Because of the use of a single chemical (glyphosate), it's speeding up evolution." Herbicide-resistant crops are "taking us in the wrong direction. It's just not sustainable."

Rick Cole, weed management technical lead at Monsanto, said the company recommends "multiple modes of action," essentially using more than one chemical, crop rotation and tillage. "I think everybody has learned together. When someone says they're using more chemistry, what we're worried about (is), is it safe? Is it effective?"

On the horizon for Monsanto, Cole said, is Roundup Ready 2 Xtend soybeans, genetically engineered to be resistant to glyphosate and dicamba. Dicamba has been on the market for decades, and Cole says the crops let farmers use more than one chemical on weeds.
Bayer CropScience also produces genetically modified seeds resistant to its herbicide, Liberty, which it touts as a way "to battle glyphosate-resistant weeds."

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/environment/story/2012-04-16/failing-herbicide/54319726/1

Namaste

 

[foomar]

My water supplier is legally obligated to test for over a hundred industrial and agro chems , old favourites like aldrin and gamma BHC are still present despite being decades since they were banned.

They do not test for glyphosate as it is not legally required , given the long term studies throwing doubts on it safety i find this of concern , and can get no satisfactory answer from them.


Its easy to forget that when it was introduced it was welcomed by the early organic movements , as it was vastly safer than the 2 4 D and Diquat it displaced , to operator and environment , but with no long term studies yet done.

If it were introduced today it would require far more extensive safety testing and trials than in the seventies , and would fail.

 

[_Ina_]

Here in Bulgaria this GMO shit was banned a few years ago but it was very hard to do that. And it is difficult to ban something like GM cultures,because they are coming from every where in our food. Yes, i hurt that name-Monsanto many timesIt seems they are sitting behind every shit food all over the world

 

[foomar]

If you google roundup with no prior knowledge , the product is promoted as completely safe , none of the sites have MSDF info.

Does it harm the soil, persist in the soil, poison ground etc..?

Roundup is only active in plants and is inactivated on contact with the soil. It is then broken down by soil micro organisms so that you can re-use the soil for re-planting. We recommend that you leave treated weeds for about 7 days before digging or cultivating the soil to allow Roundup to move to the roots of the weed.



How long does Roundup remain active in the soil?

Roundup products are not active in the soil, so you are free to use the soil for planting after 2 days day.



What happens if i get Roundup on the soil?

Roundup is inactive on contact with the soil. It is fixed to the soil particles and gets degraded by micro organisims in the soil into natural materials. When weeds are treated we recommend to wait minimum 2 days so that the Roundup can reach all growth points and ensure an effective kill of the weed through its systemic action.



When is it safe for my children to play out again after using Roundup products?

Just keep them out of the area while you are using Roundup and then once the area is dry you can let them re-enter. Roundup itself poses no risk to human health when used in accordance with the label, but you dont want your children or pets to walk through a treated area and then onto your lawn as the lawn will be damaged. Roundup is very effective on grass!

 

[_Ina_]

I think before few years i even saw commercial about it on tv but i didn't realize what is this . yeah,it is very safe,im sure haha just wait 'till it is dry and everything will be just fine,u wont see it anymoreThose fucking herbicides,this is not farming,i hate things like that! Real farmers can't do this with their land!An u can use that soil again and your kids can play on the back yard after u spray that shit haha Sure. i want to get that and spray it right in the mouth of Monsanto,s director.