Monsanto's Really needs to be STOPPED HELP

[northstate]

As a farmer, people should feed themselves and take responsibility for doing something on their own. Save your seeds and see how hard it is to plant from year to year keeping genes alive. Take care of the land around you but be aware that the big M wants to control it all. Oh yeah and the US gov is the co-owner of the patent for the terminator gene and they always look out for my best interests, dont they? NS

 

[Darth Fader]

Nature is God. Everything around is part of a self-balancing system of nature. I believe that genetically modifying food crosses the line of what is wise. Sustainability seems like a much better goal.

 

[TheHashAssassin]

get out of america while you still can...

big move, but america is going to hell!

ummm, more like North America in general. Canada is going down just as bad a path, if not worse.

 

[grapeman]

Grapeman - all those terms like "approximately" "and appears to be" that scientists use and you call bullshit, if you knew anything about statistics and it's application you would understand the need for such 'qualifications'.

eg: 95% occurence, or 19 out of twenty times an event will occur, qualifies me to say I have some evidence that the event is more likely to occur than not. Not definate, not even strong evidence! Some, 19 out of twenty times according to the math based on the data...

Strong evidence is still not concrete, though the stats support it with 99% confidence. 99.7% confidence is still an approximation. If we studied every single farm or object under study, then we could say things absolutely. Until then, we make the best estimate we can, given the available data.

I have a business degree and have taken advanced statistics. I'd bet I know more about stats then you. When scientists use these types of words they have no science behind their statements and are making emotional pleas (much like all the children hating GM because they read about how bad it is in a greenpeace manual) and NOT because they are performing or involved in ANY science.

What I don't know about is how all you lemmings can board a train to no-where while thinking you are really going somewhere and pat yourself's on the back while you do so.

It's laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

Wow, that's pretty rude. You must be a commercial farmer because you are taking this WAY too personally. If you take a second to reflect, and look at the thread title, you are technically here flaming it up. We are just supporting the thread with articles. Did you look at the second article I posted on golden rice? I'll post it again. It's not from greenpeace...

Why not start your own thread called "I <3 GMOs"?

Golden rice’ exhibits all the undesirable, hazardous characteristics of existing GM plants, and in added measure on account of the increased complexity of the constructs and the sources of genetic material used. The hazards are highlighted below.

It is made with a combination of genes and genetic material from viruses and bacteria, associated with diseases in plants, and from other non-food species.

The gene constructs are new, and have never existed in billions of years of evolution

Unpredictable by-products have been generated due to random gene insertion and functional interaction with host genes, which will differ from one plant to another.

Over-expression of transgenes linked to viral promoters, such as that from CaMV, exacerbates unintended metabolic effects as well as instability (see below). There are at least two CaMV promoters in each transgenic plant of the ‘golden rice’, one of which is linked to the antibiotic resistance marker gene.

The transgenic DNA is structurally unstable, leading to instability of the GM plants in subsequent generations, multiplying unintended, random effects.

Structural instability of transgenic DNA increases the likelihood of horizontal gene transfer and recombination.

Instability of transgenic DNA is enhanced by the CaMV promoter, which has a recombination hotspot, thereby further increasing the potential for horizontal gene transfer.

The CaMV promoter is promicuous in function and works efficiently in all plants, in green algae, yeast and E. coli. The spread of genes linked to this promoter by ordinary cross-pollination or by horizontal gene transfer will have enormous impacts on health and biodiversity. In particular, the hygromycin resistance gene linked to it may be able to function in bacteria associated with infectious diseases.

Horizontal transfer of transgenic DNA from GM plants into soil fungi and bacteria has been demonstrated in laboratory experiments. Recent evidence suggests that it has also taken place in a field-trial site for GM sugar-beets, in which transgenic DNA persisted in the soil for at least two years afterwards.

Prof. Hans-Hinrich Kaatz from the University of Jena, has just presented new evidence of horizontal gene transfer within the gut of bee larvae. Pollen from GM rapeseed tolerant to the herbicide glufosinate were fed to immature bee larvae. When the microorganisms were isolated from the gut of the larvae and examined for the presence of the gene conferring glufosinate resistance, it was found in some of the bacteria as well yeast cells.

All cells including those of human beings are now known to take up genetic material. While natural (unmanipulated) genetic material is simply broken down to supply energy, invasive pieces of genetic material may jump into the genome to mutate genes. Some insertions of foreign genetic material may also be associated with cancer.

Horizontal transfer of genes and constructs from the ‘golden rice’ will spread transgenes, including antibiotic resistance genes to bacterial pathogens, and also has the potential to create new viruses and bacteria associated with diseases.

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In conclusion, the ‘golden rice’ project was a useless application, a drain on public finance and a threat to health and biodiversity. It is being promoted in order to salvage a morally as well as financially bankrupt agricultural biotech industry, and is obstructing the essential shift to sustainable agriculture that can truly improve the health and nutrition especially of the poor in the Third World. This project should be terminated immediately before further damage is done.

The ‘golden rice’ possesses all the usual defects of first generation transgenic plants plus multiple copies of the CaMV promoter which we have strongly recommended withdrawing from use on the basis of scientific evidence indicating this promoter to be especially unsafe. A growing number of scientists (318 scientists from 39 countries to-date) are calling for a global moratorium on the environmental releases of GMOs until and unless they can be shown to be safe.

 

[trichrider]

well i for one understand the reason former presidents are afforded secret service protection for life.
with these kinds of betrayals i'm pretty sure they think they need it too.
just wrong...

 

[elmanito]

I have a business degree and have taken advanced statistics. I'd bet I know more about stats then you. When scientists use these types of words they have no science behind their statements and are making emotional pleas (much like all the children hating GM because they read about how bad it is in a greenpeace manual) and NOT because they are performing or involved in ANY science.

What I don't know about is how all you lemmings can board a train to no-where while thinking you are really going somewhere and pat yourself's on the back while you do so.

It's laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

What you write right now is really pathetic.You can't convince me anymore that GMO is a good thing for the world, when you see the disasters right now what's happening and no it is not from a manual from Greenpeace, but real practice.Although you have a business degree, from your writing you don't have glue about the difficult system of nature.

Durood Bar Shoma

 

[tester]

GMO could be good if it were used for good.
Same thing with atomic energy, or a simple knife.

Anyway IMO we don't need GMO to feed the world.

 

[StRa]

When scientists use these types of words they have no science behind their statements and are making emotional pleas

You get the point man.....ahhahaha.....saying that GMO can solve the world hunger is just for emotional pleas....

 

[dagnabit]

i think all gmo should be banned...
we have to many people in this world ifd we starve a few million in third world countries the world would be better off. so i say ban GMO and starve those hapless fucks!
how dare they be born somewhere other than the land of organic/vegan/free range chicken...

 

[grozzef]

i love when people try to back their sad belief in a rapidly failing system with "well i have a degree in ____". Sorry to say but your business degree and your "advanced statistics" do not change the fact that monsanto only cares about the bottom line, like most large corporations. Where the people who make these awful decisions are hidden behind the corporate wall and know they will never have to face punishment for the crimes they commit in the name of MONEY.

 

[grapeman]

i love when people try to back their sad belief in a rapidly failing system with "well i have a degree in ____". Sorry to say but your business degree and your "advanced statistics" do not change the fact that monsanto only cares about the bottom line, like most large corporations. Where the people who make these awful decisions are hidden behind the corporate wall and know they will never have to face punishment for the crimes they commit in the name of MONEY.

At least you understand that it's about the bottom line. That's a big step for most here.

 

[whodare]

i think all gmo should be banned...
we have to many people in this world ifd we starve a few million in third world countries the world would be better off. so i say ban GMO and starve those hapless fucks!
how dare they be born somewhere other than the land of organic/vegan/free range chicken...

 

[harold]

(much like all the children hating GM because they read about how bad it is in a greenpeace manual)

i think the educated are very worried by GMO because these same corporations specialize in biological warfare, its no secret that monsanto developed agent orange! we should know the horrors that evil substance caused, and now all of a sudden they want to bring you a better potatoe??? like they all of a sudden developed morals? the GM potatoes caused cancer of the stomach to the lab animals that consumed them btw.

The real point of GM is to modify the poor sod that eats it!... theres no evidence of superior arsenic round-up soaked yields. This is all PR = propaganda, so we believe GM to be our saviour, nothing more.

it all boils down to the ultimate goal of the NWO, population reduction! we have to believe the world needs a good culling so we dont cry for those who are being culled. Ill ask you all the ultimate question what makes you think your all so special? dont think were superior or on the elite list. See Agenda 21, the agenda for the 21st century if you dont believe me, if your eyes are open its all there, admitted, no conspiracy here.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

At least you understand that it's about the bottom line. That's a big step for most here.

You really do assume that anyone worried about Monsanto is truly a child and not aware that the bottom line is all that matters to a corporation, don't you?

Well sir, I am not a child... and the bottom line is the reason I'm worried about rush to payday Frankenscience.

Feel as safe as you want, just do not find any peace in your false blanket statements.

Find peace in your bottom line.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

i think all gmo should be banned...
we have to many people in this world ifd we starve a few million in third world countries the world would be better off. so i say ban GMO and starve those hapless fucks!
how dare they be born somewhere other than the land of organic/vegan/free range chicken...

Most of Europe banned GMO... they aren't starving anymore than they were before technology came to save them.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

You really do assume that anyone worried about Monsanto is truly a child and not aware that the bottom line is all that matters to a corporation, don't you?

Well sir, I am not a child... and the bottom line is the reason I'm worried about rush to payday Frankenscience.

Feel as safe as you want, just do not find any peace in your false blanket statements.

Find peace in your bottom line.

That guy is tripping. Everyone can see. We all know it's about money, duh. He insults because he knows he is wrong, and is probably growing some GMO crap right now. Thanks to you and everyone else for calling him out. Rize up!

 

[Suspect]

grapeman is another pro-corporatocracy a-hole. Seriously grapeman do YOU want ONE corporation to decide wtf you eat, DO YOU? If you have no problem with that, atleast step back and give others respect for having their right to eat clean and unmodified food.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

Most of Europe banned GMO... they aren't starving anymore than they were before technology came to save them.

Actually, in the long run, GMO are producing less compared to the required increase of inputs (fertilizer), and farmers are not allowed by law to grow the seeds they produce from these frankencrops...

But yeah, keep pretending that GMOs will feed the hungry, instead of enslave them to big ag. Monsanto requires farmers to buy seed from monsanto every year, or the farmers will go to jail for growing seeds they made themselves with monsanto gmo. Is that saving the poor?

grapeman is another pro-corporatocracy a-hole. Seriously grapeman do YOU want ONE corporation to decide wtf you eat, DO YOU? If you have no problem with that, atleast step back and give others respect for having their right to eat clean and unmodified food.

OR... start his own damn thread and stop flaming this one up. I would love to see Grapemans's 'I <3 GMO" thread, but he doesn't have the grapes to start his own pro-GMO thread. If you do sac-up and start your own thread I won't come there and flame you like you are doing here.

Grow up. Unsub. Eff off. Find your grapes. Start your own thread.

 

[dagnabit]

Most of Europe banned GMO... they aren't starving anymore than they were before technology came to save them.

third world countries in europe?
like Lithuania?
i think we forget what poor means sometimes...
i went on a medical mission to Honduras when i was younger(not going to date myself ) i saw people who would walk 2 days barefoot through the jungle just to have their teeth pulled by an l.p.n. who had never done any dental work whatsoever. given any choice those folks would have probably chosen to have a licensed dentist fill/cap/crown their teeth but they did not have that choice so they did what they needed to do to stay alive.
people is sub sarahan africa would love to have the option to eat certified organic,sustainably grown non modified foods..
but given the inability of local farming methods to keep up with unchecked population growth and rampant greed of corrupt governments it is either frankenfood or starve.
no those countries were not "doing just fine" before the advent of GMO crops.. shit they are not "doing just fine" now but more bellys are getting full.
is it ideal?
no
but we have to deal in reality.
there are alot of people who dont have the means to pay the few pennies extra to buy what we approve of for them...