MM X 78Thia was never released by Nevil

[Stoneguru]

This part of the Y chromosome does not recombine sexually with the X chromosome during reproduction — meaning that when a father contributes a Y chromosome to the process of sexual reproduction, most of the genes on that chromosome don’t “mix” with the genes on the X. In genetic terms, they’re passed on asexually. While genetic recombination allows for the expression of diverse traits in offspring, the mostly linear transmission of the Y chromosome isn’t necessarily a bad thing. In fact, that trait has allowed scientists to understand the history of male ancestry.

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So again,I ask how was the Haze in NH locked out ?

This makes sense in the way you are saying.

So please be more specific. Which specific traits is passed on by a male that is not passed on by a female in cannabis?

I usually do regular breeding, and reverse both sexes to observe those traits and then test the lines of them both.

So far I have not been able to identify a specific traits that a male passes the a female does not.

What trait is it?

If it is diversity itself then there is an experiment that could be set up to determine this specific theory.

 

[Stoneguru]

I don't believe I did it and that must really give you night sweats in bed as you lay there thinking about me, lol

That is a weird thing to say. I don't really know how to respond.

 

[@hempy]

That's why when you bred a hybrid like the Thai x Nevil's Haze, the dominance in the line will be the Haze and if I wanted the Thai to be the more dominant side I would use a Thai male over a Nevil's Haze female Males play a huge role and not just for passing on there ancestral information.

I have done this and seen the results over and over, and not just in haze.

Nevil was the guy that really told me about the importance of the male, and it's Y chromosome before that I knew the importance of a male but not to the level I do know.

 

[Stoneguru]

That's why when you bred a hybrid like the Thai x Nevil's Haze, the dominance in the line will be the Haze and if I wanted the Thai to be the more dominant side I would use a Thai male over a Nevil's Haze female Males play a huge role and not just for passing on there ancestral information.

I have done this and seen the results over and over, and not just in haze.

Nevil was the guy that really told me about the importance of the male, and it's Y chromosome before that I knew the importance of a male but not to the level I do know.

So you are you saying the male will always be dominant and the female will always be recessive across all traits?

Is that right @HEMPY ?

An actual experiment could be done to quantify this theory. It would require reversing both parental on the other and regular

I think the threshold for each make would be 100. better at around 300.

This would probably ideally be done with a homozygous line. As well as a hybrid line where nearly all traits were completely different.

4 combinations of reversal for both. 800 plants would give a good answer too this theory

All Morphological and metabolic traits would need to be documented from the first set of true leaves on through finish.

What size population have you conducted this experiment on?

 

[Stoneguru]

I like some of the theories you are putting out @HEMPY.

I just haven't specifically observed or tested this by direct comparison and contrast as described above.

Have you found any journals where this or a similar experiment has been conducted and documented?

 

[@hempy]

Dude, I have locked in Both the HzA and HzC and I have also made different combinations of both, so instead of posting book size posts full of unproven theory, and hearsays go do the work and figure it out like most do.

Results speak volumes, They are not theories they are proven.

 

[Stoneguru]

Dude, I have locked in Both the HzA and HzC and I have also made different combinations of both, so instead of posting book size posts full of unproven theory, and hearsays go do the work and figure it out like most do.

Results speak volumes, They are not theories they are proven.

Post in thread 'MM X 78Thia was never released by Nevil' https://www.icmag.com/threads/mm-x-78thia-was-never-released-by-nevil.375096/post-18970265

 

[@hempy]

That's not you posting is it, Stoney.

Nevil did post that, as that's a screenshot of Nevil's post.

 

[Stoneguru]

Dude, I have locked in Both the HzA and HzC and I have also made different combinations of both, so instead of posting book size posts full of unproven theory, and hearsays go do the work and figure it out like most do.

Results speak volumes, They are not theories they are proven.

So. I think you answered my question.

You believe the male is always dominant and the female always recessive.

My next question is can you smoke ancestral memory and what is that like?

 

[William76]

I believe both the male and the female is important in breeding,the best male onto the best female if linebreeding,some traits wont pass unless both the male and the female possess them,76

 

[@hempy]

The female does play an important role, but my point was to show just how important of a roll the male plays, and it's a lot more than most think.

 

[@hempy]

I'm not playing your games any longer, Stoney

Post in thread 'MM X 78Thia was never released by Nevil' https://www.icmag.com/threads/mm-x-78thia-was-never-released-by-nevil.375096/post-18970265

This post above was not from you, I know exactly whom that was from.

 

[Stoneguru]

I believe both the male and the female is important in breeding,the best male onto the best female if linebreeding,some traits wont pass unless both the male and the female possess them,76

Being dioecious cannabis is unique and worth continuing in breeding practices. I agree with both you and Hempy on this

I reverse the males to get more information on selection and ~80% of my projects are regular seed.

While it is a belief I share. I do not have tangible supporting evidence to verify or give examples of this.

Do you have any specifics?

 

[Stoneguru]

I'm not playing your games any longer, Stoney

This post above was not from you, I know exactly whom that was from.

You believe you can differentiate between male A and male C through comparing and contrasting traits. Deductive process.

Both of these examples have the added variable of NL altering both sides. That is why I ran ~250 old NL. For contrast.

I have been growing NH hybrids types for over 25 years. That's a lot of context.

Using your same assertion that you can clearly distinguish Male C and Male A within their respective hybridization How much easier is it to differentiate the traits of your Thai with either of them?

You can't make this case and deny it at the same time. You also made a case that you have selected dominance in C and A. If this is true the same can be done with your Thai.

I previously posted a series of markers/traits for identification to differentiate them previously.

You can add to that, but as of now I offered what I could.

I have only run 20 on 2 makes. At 100 on 3 I will have more information to share, but that's all I have for now.