MM X 78Thia was never released by Nevil

[Stoneguru]

How would you know what traits my Thai has when you haven't grown it or even smoked it, honestly.

You come in here to post up Dwight's posts that are full of lies make claims that are again lies one has to ask what is really your motivation behind this ?

Well you see. I learned something from a sage master

There are only 2 types in haze. Male A and male C. Thai or Colombian. I keep it simple. There is only Nevil's Haze or Hempy's Thai.

There is no nuance or column 3 when it comes to haze. I was about to smoke everyone up and pass out seed, but now because of you no one gets any of the Thai that Shanti and Nevil said was better than any haze since the first one.

 

[@hempy]

I was about to smoke everyone up and pass out seed, but now because of you no one gets any of the Thai that Shanti and Nevil said was better than any haze since the first one.

Yea, More like blow smoke up people's back side, lol

Shantis never smoked my Thai who said he did, but he has smoked my Mango Haze.

No pay attention to what people post, Nevil said the Thai smoked just like the very first female he didn't keep and regretted.

You don't have my Thai or hybrids of it apart from the Outback and that's a 1/3rd, now build a bridge and get over it Stoney.

 

[med-man]

Well you see. I learned something from a sage master

There are only 2 types in haze. Male A and male C. Thai or Colombian. I keep it simple. There is only Nevil's Haze or Hempy's Thai.

There is no nuance or column 3 when it comes to haze. I was about to smoke everyone up and pass out seed, but now because of you no one gets any of the Thai that Shanti and Nevil said was better than any haze since the first one.

Tons of real pure haze still in south America. The colombian I sourced in peru is testament to it.

You and D have my vote.

Cannabis semantics can be a good dialogue as long as those engaged have an open mind

Us 3 seem the only growers to adhere to if you don't grow it you don't know it which in my mind seems like the most pragmatic approach

Much love

 

[Stoneguru]

Yea, More like blow smoke up people's back side, lol

Shantis never smoked my Thai who said he did, but he has smoked my Mango Haze.

No pay attention to what people post, Nevil said the Thai smoked just like the very first female he didn't keep and regretted.

You don't have my Thai or hybrids of it apart from the Outback and that's a 1/3rd, now build a bridge and get over it Stoney.

That was very thoughtful of Nevil to say that.

So Nevil said your Thai was better then the thousands of Haze plants he grew?

You screenshot everything instantly so can you post that statement?

By the way. My wife worships me too...

She brings me burnt offerings every evening

 

[Stoneguru]

Tons of real pure haze still in south America. The colombian I sourced in peru is testament to it.

You and D have my vote.

Cannabis semantics can be a good dialogue as long as those engaged have an open mind

Us 3 seem the only growers to adhere to if you don't grow it you don't know it which in my mind seems like the most pragmatic approach

Much love

I am more optimistic.

I think the forum is filled with people doing the work and wanting to learn with an open mind. They are just quieter and maybe have the wisdom to just focus on the passion.

There are a few who's identity is based upon being superior to others. It sucks, and I have a hard time not locking horns.

First hand experience. Dwight has always been inviting, decent, open minded and celebratory of what other people experience and find. He asks the questions and has theories and then follows up with action.

Regardless of inaccuracies of anything these are fundamental human qualities that earned my respect.

Hempy, I don't even dislike you. I take issue when I spend 2 years running 80+ landrace, share my findings good and bad to have you deny that my own experience is true.

If you had run hunts from any of these regions or accessions then we could contest that we had different results. Something we all experience. Both experiences can be true.

However, you made concrete absolutist statements about things you not only have never grown but never smoked.

You know what my favorite thing is about Haze?

It expands the mind into possibilities and excites potentials. To see the world in New ways. An engine of inspiration and innovation. An igniter of creativity.

The haze you describe is curled up in a ball sweating with paranoia.

The truth is both effects can come from Haze or at least Nevil's haze

What it is that we both like about Haze is also displayed in our worldview and everything else we do.

We are different people seeking different things and different appreciations.

 

[med-man]

I am more optimistic.

I think the forum is filled with people doing the work and wanting to learn with an open mind. They are just quieter and maybe have the wisdom to just focus on the passion.

There are a few who's identity is based upon being superior to others. It sucks, and I have a hard time not locking horns.

First hand experience. Dwight has always been inviting, decent, open minded and celebratory of what other people experience and find. He asks the questions and has theories and then follows up with action.

Regardless of inaccuracies of anything these are fundamental human qualities that earned my respect.

Hempy, I don't even dislike you. I take issue when I spend 2 years running 80+ landrace, share my findings good and bad to have you deny that my own experience is true.

If you had run hunts from any of these regions or accessions then we could contest that we had different results. Something we all experience. Both experiences can be true.

However, you made concrete absolutist statements about things you not only have never grown but never smoked.

You know what my favorite thing is about Haze?

It expands the mind into possibilities and excites potentials. To see the world in New ways. An engine of inspiration and innovation. An igniter of creativity.

The haze you describe is curled up in a ball sweating with paranoia.

The truth is both effects can come from Haze or at least Nevil's haze

What it is that we both like about Haze is also displayed in our worldview and everything else we do.

We are different people seeking different things and different appreciations.

Hey guru. My experience was identical. For some reason or another honest people with over 30 or 40 years experience seem to be disliked by a loud minority on forums. Sadley we can all learn from eachother if there wasn't such an adherence to myth vs truth...

What do they say in star wars? Only the Sith speak in absolutes?

Keep on keeping on as a jedi, leave the dark side to them

 

[harvestreaper]

our progress depends only on truth and its beauty is that it can be proven to all ,,,,,,,,,,,yea i just smoked one lol

 

[mr.brunch]

I wish I had the space and patience to grow some of these long flowering lines, just to experience what others have discovered.
If I lived somewhere bigger and maybe more weed friendly I’d have a separate tent for such things.

Hopefully one day an international import/export market will be possible and growers will be able to sell their exotics.

 

[Stoneguru]

I wish I had the space and patience to grow some of these long flowering lines, just to experience what others have discovered.
If I lived somewhere bigger and maybe more weed friendly I’d have a separate tent for such things.

Hopefully one day an international import/export market will be possible and growers will be able to sell their exotics.

If you can get a cut it would be best. I have run 12- 100 of every Nevil's haze outcrosses and every variation.

Of how old/original, claims or outcross it is always the same.

I can never find more than ~5% that are truly exceptional in the way those who find it are talking.

Yes, the average of the line will go up and down depending, but I have never broke through that approximate ratio in almost 30 years.

It shouldn't discourage you though because enough people are improving the average that it will all be worthwhile with the chance for a true breakaway unlike anything else other than Haze

 

[@hempy]

That was very thoughtful of Nevil to say that.

So Nevil said your Thai was better then the thousands of Haze plants he grew?

You screenshot everything instantly so can you post that statement?

By the way. My wife worships me too...

She brings me burnt offerings every evening

What's your real motivation here, Stoney you're the one that came into my thread and posted up complete lies that were posted by Dwight, so there has to be a reason for it.

 

[@hempy]

Hempy, I don't even dislike you. I take issue when I spend 2 years running 80+ landrace, share my findings good and bad to have you deny that my own experience is true.

You spent two years running over 80 land races really where did you get them from the Land Race team lol

I thought and made the mistake of thinking you and Dwight were decent people, thanks for correcting me on that.

 

[Stoneguru]

What's your real motivation here, Stoney you're the one that came into my thread and posted up complete lies that were posted by Dwight, so there has to be a reason for it.

Yes there is. Several people were going back and forth debating the source of the Thai in MM x Thai.

Nevil made them and isn't here to clarify.

As you know I log and organize every single trait from first set to finish.

I noted that there are plenty of pictures of your Thai which has numerous distinctive morphological traits.

I mentioned that the '82 Thai which is the other suspect is being grown out.

My point is to rely on trait identification to clarify the origin.

 

[Stoneguru]

You spent two years running over 80 land races really where did you get them from the Land Race team lol

I thought and made the mistake of thinking you and Dwight were decent people, thanks for correcting me on that.

All available sources I could. Muang Xia, HOA BAC, VB kiona and fets, Luang Probang and yes North Viet from tlt and some others.

You discrediting things you have never tried brings it all full circle Hempy.

In our country and my community and industry respect is earned through doing the work. Running the race.

It is a cultural insult to weigh in as an authority against people doing the work.

The equivalent would be me trying to school you on Thai. I don't do it and never done it because I didn't put in the time and do the work.

Merit based Respect. Basic golden rule

 

[bajode5]

Yes there is. Several people were going back and forth debating the source of the Thai in MM x Thai.

Nevil made them and isn't here to clarify.

As you know I log and organize every single trait from first set to finish.

I noted that there are plenty of pictures of your Thai which has numerous distinctive morphological traits.

I mentioned that the '82 Thai which is the other suspect is being grown out.

My point is to rely on trait identification to clarify the origin.

Why don't you send samples to a lab and have them tested for DNA? There are companies that provide that service. Science stopped being guided by what it sees a long time ago; it's a bit biased.

 

[@hempy]

Yes there is. Several people were going back and forth debating the source of the Thai in MM x Thai.

Nevil made them and isn't here to clarify.

As you know I log and organize every single trait from first set to finish.

I noted that there are plenty of pictures of your Thai which has numerous destructive morphological traits.

I mentioned that the '82 Thai which is the other suspect is being grown out.

My point is to rely on trait identification to clarify the origin.

I was the guy that gave Nevil the Thai not you or Dwight and Dwight was not in the picture at that time period, but I was and spoke to Nevil daily ofter several times a day. So why act like you know more about this than I do.

As I said I know all the Thai lines Nevil used and who they came from you both don't and my Thai was the last to be grown.

The other person who worked with Nevil and lived with Nevil and helped him when he was un well knows who got what, and he might chime into this thread and clear a few things up as this is now getting stupid.

No one got my Thai or got hybrids of it from Nevil, thats a fact.

The only person growing a 50% hybrid of my Thai is Nexus, and more will as I hand them out for FREE in time, but people like you won't. Why would I hand over genetics I have preserved for decades and worked to people who insult and troll me, that right there is the true definition of stupidity.

 

[@hempy]

What's your real motivation here, Stoney you're the one that came into my thread and posted up complete lies that were posted by Dwight, so there has to be a reason for it.

You still haven't given a true response to my question.

 

[Stoneguru]

but people like you won't. Why would I hand over genetics I have preserved for decades and worked to people

There has never been a single point in any interaction where I have expressed any interest in your Thai.

You go delusional thinking myself and others have an interest in your Thai. I am sure do, but not me.

I have only ever expressed an interest in specific Nevil's haze types that I prefer. You clarified early on that what I like was nothing to be found in your Thai and I accepted that as accurate.

What you did describe is unremarkable by my personal preferences. So far everything I like out of Outback has leaned toward Nevil's Haze.

I am open minded. Later this year I'll try soaking a few packs across a few lines.

So far your Thai disappears in Nevil's haze aside from the profiles that I like which you said were not it.

I am not looking for smoke I don't care for Hempy and that's just going off your own account.

 

[Nexus7]

Yes there is. Several people were going back and forth debating the source of the Thai in MM x Thai.

Nevil made them and isn't here to clarify.

As you know I log and organize every single trait from first set to finish.

I noted that there are plenty of pictures of your Thai which has numerous distinctive morphological traits.

I mentioned that the '82 Thai which is the other suspect is being grown out.

My point is to rely on trait identification to clarify the origin.

Just thought to mention no hermies yet in the 2 Deliverance (50% '78 Thai) plants I grew from hempy. Also no signs of any hermie in the outcross of it I'm growing now ...

Also I don't see a whole lot of resemblance to the pictures posted in this thread or pictures of whatever outback hybrid @Stoneguru is growing. That said mine is crossed to NHz and not MM.

Many other lines have that longer middle leaf and many other lines have those darker green leaves and I do think I can see a little bit more similarly to Deliverance with lines like Mango thai and some of the modern thai landraces coming out now than what is posted here.

 

[Nexus7]

Also no citrus or lemon in hempy's Deliverance anyone who thinks hempy's thai is a lemon thai is surely mistaken!

 

[@hempy]

You know the funny thing is in all the years I have been growing I have yet to come across or grow a Lemon smelling plant, the closest I got to citrus is Orange smelling plants.