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MM X 78Thia was never released by Nevil
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DarkStorm.
Active member
Its not dutch flowers, im sure its actualy called 76 thai.....dont ask.....il try and pm you later
Thanks donald...i dont realy come on here much...i think i last postd over 3-6 months ago....till the other day......i appreciate that......i dont think no cares about the truth any way....i shoudnt have posted in those those threads....sometimes i forget...but thank you anyway.
DarkStorm.
Active member
Just the same thai used in both strains, harmony is made using the same thai
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
The Reefermans Thai is also called the Swiss Thai or the Green Hornet's Thai, and It's still a good smoke, that is what I was told.
Nexus7
Well-known member
As long as you like it that's all that really matters!
As Sam said re: Haze he was not so much interested in the strain origins as he was how it smoked up.
That said it can be good to know the exact strain origins if you lost your keeper and need to hunt for another or you want to improve secondary characteristics like aroma or yield etc after you've found your desired effect.
Stoneguru
Well-known member
Nevil Sent Dwight Diotte some MM x '78 Thai or Hempy's Thai. It was never released, but neither were the other combinations.
Aside from stories and claims, the traits reveal parantage. Nevil was a breeder. Making every combination is intuitive
Either way. Only Nevil knew what he gave to who. It still isn't "released" so no commitments were broken.
I have a Cali-o x (MM/'78thai). I think the profiles could synergize very well in that cross, but won't get to it for awhile
Aside from stories and claims, the traits reveal parantage. Nevil was a breeder. Making every combination is intuitive
Either way. Only Nevil knew what he gave to who. It still isn't "released" so no commitments were broken.
I have a Cali-o x (MM/'78thai). I think the profiles could synergize very well in that cross, but won't get to it for awhile
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I do the same thing but run the seeds on 12/12 to start and find the keepers, then run the clones.
bajode5
Active member
I'm not completely sure, but apparently he was posting on LinkedIn too. If you want to read history's where everybody it's great, the best bosses and how the year's of experience make them the best managers, go to linkedin...
Stoneguru
Well-known member
I can't say what true or not, but there looks to be a lot of consistent evidence that the '78 thia is not the swiss Thai or Thai from Charles.
@elchischas is doing a successful embryo rescue on the '82 Green hornet Thai right now so some of those traits will become more evident while @HEMPY's Thai already is.
Let traits and personal experience be the guide.
A think it's fair to say that it is very very important to @HEMPY that it is not his Thai.
Of course he doesn't know either because he didn't spend everyday monitoring Nevil in his garden. He is speculating as much as anyone.
If it's not the '82 Thai and not Hempy's Thai then what is it?
Traits tromp stories in the end. Hempy's has consistent markers that pass through many of the Outback.
Generally Mullum has symmetrical alternating bract sequence
Happy's Thai consistently has the bracts in sets of 2 which is distinctively different then the helical sequence of Nevil's or symmetry of MM
The sets of 2 from Hempys tends to dominate in the Outback haze as well as contributing smaller trichomes relative to Nevil's haze
This is just one example. There are numerous other indicators.
The structure and frame of Hempy's Thai clearly has a range of Morphology like any cannabis line, but there is are strong similarity in Nevil's female selection and Hempy's 2 males that can be contrasted with kangas MM thread.
Generally we should all be able to examine traits first with the backdrop of narrative rather than the other way around.
With '82 Thai being grown out more may become apparent
@elchischas is doing a successful embryo rescue on the '82 Green hornet Thai right now so some of those traits will become more evident while @HEMPY's Thai already is.
Let traits and personal experience be the guide.
A think it's fair to say that it is very very important to @HEMPY that it is not his Thai.
Of course he doesn't know either because he didn't spend everyday monitoring Nevil in his garden. He is speculating as much as anyone.
If it's not the '82 Thai and not Hempy's Thai then what is it?
Traits tromp stories in the end. Hempy's has consistent markers that pass through many of the Outback.
Generally Mullum has symmetrical alternating bract sequence
Happy's Thai consistently has the bracts in sets of 2 which is distinctively different then the helical sequence of Nevil's or symmetry of MM
The sets of 2 from Hempys tends to dominate in the Outback haze as well as contributing smaller trichomes relative to Nevil's haze
This is just one example. There are numerous other indicators.
The structure and frame of Hempy's Thai clearly has a range of Morphology like any cannabis line, but there is are strong similarity in Nevil's female selection and Hempy's 2 males that can be contrasted with kangas MM thread.
Generally we should all be able to examine traits first with the backdrop of narrative rather than the other way around.
With '82 Thai being grown out more may become apparent
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I can Stoney.
Nevil never called my Thai the 78Thai not even when hybridised and Dwight Wouldn't even have a hybrid of it apart from the Outback and that's a third.
He needs to stop making up stories like the ones posted.
I have grown very tide of the games some of you are playing stoney and all those photos came from me, Nevil never sent Dwight a single one why did I have them and Dwight did not ?.
I spoke to Nevil daily, but I can also get the person who lived with Nevil and work with Nevil to chim in on this and drop a few truth bombs if you wish to ?
Why is it I know the different Thai lines Nevil used and whom they came from, and you and Dwight don't ?
You don't even know the right breeding of the Outback, give it a resat and stop disrespecting people with things you know nothing about.
Stoneguru
Well-known member
@Hempy McNoodle I had quite a bit of respect for you until It became apparent that your priorities around a narrative far out weighed your first hand experiences.
You continually asserted that you had greater knowledge or understanding than myself and others speaking in absolutes.
That is fine to, but then it became clear that you had never actually run any of the lines you say are inferior.
Ie. I ran multiple packs from all around Laos and Vietnam and noted parallel traits with haze. You denied any of these traits could be found there and then admitted you had never even grown any of them.
Then I see you have been asserting the same on others across all forums.
I still respect you as a resource for old Colombian and old Thai and the relatively small handful of lines you have mentioned growing in over 10 years.
On all else you and your 5 plant corner closet grow lost credibility.
Only a fool makes assertions Outside of their experience or about gardens they are not in.
I am not claiming Dwight is right about everything not anyone, but just like plants have markers so does BS.
I have grown far more haze types than you in both count and variety for just as long. I have grown out the same stock as you as well as what came before it.
Even with all that I would be a complete asshat to assert that I know exactly what comes out of you closet and rank it.
Bottom line. My point is the same. Clearly you have a narrative that you guard across all forums vigilantly and rank experiences that are not your own profusely with a binary close minded approach more narrow than any haze leaf
That is not objective thinking or first principals.
Bottom line. Ask questions and answer them by testing theories. Observe the traits and trust personal experience.
The only person online that has grown your 50% Thai gave a solid review here.
Dwight has grown out more variations of your Thai through outback and potentially MM than you have. I say that based on plant count you share since the beginning of your time online. Same. He says it was great at neutralizing the NL
You spend all your time tweeking like gollum like your identity itself relies on what you covet.
You went way outside of your realm of personal experience and lost credibility where you otherwise would have it On the handful of things you know. Nobody did that to you. That's on you
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Let me explain something to you Stoney after reading what Dwight posted, and you stupidly copy and pasted in here I can now say his full of it and the guy I know was the guy that packed the seed Nevil sent Dwight by the way and I know he doesn't even have a 50% hybrid of my Thai.
Nothing you copy and posted from Dwight posts is correct, and I can prove it, too.
Like I said nether of you know what Thais were used who they came from or the breeding of the outback, you don't even know what the grail project was about and that is publicly there to read if you chose to.
Not even going to bother reading your stupid long posts, you're an embarrassment.
Nothing you copy and posted from Dwight posts is correct, and I can prove it, too.
Like I said nether of you know what Thais were used who they came from or the breeding of the outback, you don't even know what the grail project was about and that is publicly there to read if you chose to.
Not even going to bother reading your stupid long posts, you're an embarrassment.
Hempy
I appreciate you attempting to set the record straight , you know well how important i think True history is
Dwight dj9 or whatever Tag , made alot of bold claims. When I and others had legit questions about his post . He cried of being attacked but wouldn't respond to several legit questions
I recall you sided with most he had to say until your recent Thia situation
Some outrageous Post of his
A5 pics have never been posted online , nothing resembled the 100's of A5 seed he grew . A5 tasted of menthol and chicken soup .
Claims He was the South Holland Crew, one man show
Claims the lineage of Haze is just discovered to be Vietnam
Claims to know the woman responsible for bringing A5 seed back To NYC, which started our NYC HAZE Culture
YOU hempy sided with Dj9 telling me we don't need a detective
He was there with Nevil seems to be true but is his every word gospel, more likely to be taken with a grain of salt
1luvbigherb
I appreciate you attempting to set the record straight , you know well how important i think True history is
Dwight dj9 or whatever Tag , made alot of bold claims. When I and others had legit questions about his post . He cried of being attacked but wouldn't respond to several legit questions
I recall you sided with most he had to say until your recent Thia situation
Some outrageous Post of his
A5 pics have never been posted online , nothing resembled the 100's of A5 seed he grew . A5 tasted of menthol and chicken soup .
Claims He was the South Holland Crew, one man show
Claims the lineage of Haze is just discovered to be Vietnam
Claims to know the woman responsible for bringing A5 seed back To NYC, which started our NYC HAZE Culture
YOU hempy sided with Dj9 telling me we don't need a detective
He was there with Nevil seems to be true but is his every word gospel, more likely to be taken with a grain of salt
1luvbigherb
Stoneguru
Well-known member
You didn't talk to Nevil for years by your own admission online, but assert that he never smoked your Thai with anyone else unless you said so.
Who the hell would ever make a claim like that about who Nevil had or had not smoked with.
Like I said. I respected you until I realized that you assertions over others do not come from a place of personal experience, but selective copy paste.
As a result I doubt much of what you say...
You waffle. For years we debated Nevil's Haze because I grew the same '97 and didn't care for it. You always claiming it was everything. Not my experience.
Your position for years.
Then I finally commit to revisit it and you change.
Everything always about superiority, exclusivity, covet. What you have and someone else doesn't.
It's messed up man.
Who the hell would ever make a claim like that about who Nevil had or had not smoked with.
Like I said. I respected you until I realized that you assertions over others do not come from a place of personal experience, but selective copy paste.
As a result I doubt much of what you say...
You waffle. For years we debated Nevil's Haze because I grew the same '97 and didn't care for it. You always claiming it was everything. Not my experience.
Your position for years.
Then I finally commit to revisit it and you change.
Everything always about superiority, exclusivity, covet. What you have and someone else doesn't.
It's messed up man.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I had a falling out with Nevil around 2014/2015 YES because he along with a few others hurt law reform here set it back by many years because they were pushing a medical cannabis model that treated cannabis as a big pharma drug, yes we stopped talking.
We re-connected a few months before his passing.
I find this in very poor taste you that you would even bring this up here now Stoney why would you do that ?
What sort of low life are you, honestly.
We re-connected a few months before his passing.
I find this in very poor taste you that you would even bring this up here now Stoney why would you do that ?
What sort of low life are you, honestly.
