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MM X 78Thia was never released by Nevil

regseeds

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I would say with these more "pure sativa" types some cultivars need to be booted into flowering from germination. Manipuri is like this indoor depending on what accession you have can take 24w+ if you start with 4-6wk vegetation cycle . Certain haze lines are like this.

I'll let others chime in here, but that's my experience.
 
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Donald Mallard

el duck
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Looks very similar to my eye. The structure and calyx-to-leaf ratio is the dead giveaway. Nev's version has a more triangular pointed central cola top, but that's nitpicking at best.

There were two versions of this one. Donald, correct me if I'm wrong. One Kanga Made and One Nev made. One version was riddled with hermaphrodites (the first version you received way back when). The 2nd version has little to no hermaphrodites.

well grown by spitz. enjoy
i think it was just some were f1 made by nevil , and they tended to remain hermie free as far as i know ,
and the others bushweed or beans made f2 or 3 and they were hermie riddled , due to selection and recessive genes i guess ,
i think hempy figured everyone was having a go at his stuff when we got hermies in those ones , however its nothing out of the ordinary with these types , and with no selection , this is the sort of thing we can see in f2..
Personally ,, other than hermies in what i grew , the odd plant was very good pot ...
 

Chi13

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was just re reading some of this thread ,
kinda reminds me of some naive guy who has some hussy/slut for a girlfriend ,

she plays around on him , but he cant believe she ever would ,
even though she has played around on every other guy she has had ,
but somehow he is special because she told him she wouldnt do that to him ,, lol ...
The first couple of pages are actually pretty funny.

I have no dog in this fight. Spitz' plants look fantastic and makes me think I really should clone more, especially these long flowering sativa's. I'm mourning a few plants that I didn't clone.
 

olday

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The first couple of pages are actually pretty funny.

I have no dog in this fight. Spitz' plants look fantastic and makes me think I really should clone more, especially these long flowering sativa's. I'm mourning a few plants that I didn't clon
I run perpetual and tend to pop too many seeds so that helps with patience but for ones I know are going to run long and big, I pop the seed, run it long enough to take and root a clone and then flower the clone and ditch the “mom” and/or if she stays manageable I keep her instead of another clone. Works wonders compared to waiting forever for them to trigger flower while blowing the roof off of my tent.
 

DarkStorm.

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looks a little like the one hempy posted being the "real" mm x thai 78 that nevil grew ,
but slightly better dialed in ,
also we only have pictures of hempy thai grown by hempy ,
goodness knows there may be better growers who could do a better job than him ,
its possible i guess ??/
picture below for comparison ..

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Wow many breeders wer in this thread....yet multiple of them said it looked the same ...can you see how on the greener one most of the the leaves widen out slowly befor tapering off...not one leaf like that in the bottom one as they seem to be the same width till the tip tapering....i dont see one rounded bud cola on the top pic ...they are elongated along the branch....wer on the bottom pic they are rounded......and these are supposed to be respected breeders....nearly a year or two to look and still not one of them could link traits.........reefermans what he cals lemon thai is the one in his harmony strain...not hard to work out
Not even the same mullum..the top one is the big mullum. Quite a diffrence in the cylax to leaf ratio
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Im guessin one of the mullum males were used in the bottom pics as they had red stems..and more gold colour to the leaves..with top pic one being the big mullum with thia78
Donald...dont you ever take like 4 or 5 diffrent males or females and test them out to see wat traits are being passed on ? .....anyone here actualy do that....how are you guys identifying and linking traits to certaian strains or certain plants in your breeding... id say bit of nl in the top pic one and then you could mistake them
 
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Donald Mallard

el duck
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one is fed much more than the other ,
so just that in itself makes things hard to judge by dark,
let alone the possibility of different phenos ,
different lighting , conditions , really ,, its not a comparison one can make with any certainty,
even cuttings can vary with these differing conditions ...

honestly im not really a guy who has time to debate these petty differences etc ,
if it floats your boat go for it man ...
and yes i test different males and different females with other partners ,
my goals may be different to others so again some things are hard to compare..
some folks dont even have goals , others focus on things that dont really matter , particularly to me since their goals are likely different ...
im definitely over the petty things folks argue about on forums like who did what and whose haze is better etc ...
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
Lame .I bought a bunch of these off of rimmeo.

What Rimmeo was selling was from memory Gypsy Thai x MM after that Nevil made Reeferman or the Swiss Thai x MM. That I think was sold threw Reeferman seed, and all these were made and sold long before Nevil even got my Thai seed.
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
I wouldn't even waste my time Dark no one got my Thai x to MM and the only person so far to get my Deliverance - Thai x NH is Nexus.
 

DarkStorm.

Active member
one is fed much more than the other ,
so just that in itself makes things hard to judge by dark,
let alone the possibility of different phenos ,
different lighting , conditions , really ,, its not a comparison one can make with any certainty,
even cuttings can vary with these differing conditions ...

honestly im not really a guy who has time to debate these petty differences etc ,
if it floats your boat go for it man ...
and yes i test different males and different females with other partners ,
my goals may be different to others so again some things are hard to compare..
some folks dont even have goals , others focus on things that dont really matter , particularly to me since their goals are likely different ...
im definitely over the petty things folks argue about on forums like who did what and whose haze is better etc ...
It wasnt a comptition.... its not feeding...cus for a start the big mullum gives those leaf shapes regardles of feed....kangas were huge and his big mullum showed the exact same traits...thia78 regardles of grower or indoors outdoors gives the same uniquie traits...oh i re red my post...it may have looked like all of it was directed to put you down....that wasnt the case...i included you as i could use your expecince to understand...as youve grown alot of plants im assuming....and im guessing you progeny test....so i was trying to use your view point as a gauge to understand....cus i dont really understand how people see something else...like for examle the feedind you said....id actualy say the top one has had alot more feed.....but we can agree to disagre.



As for the haze thing ....wich you brought up.... everone conviently dont mention were sam put in emboldend leters that " he " (as in the other person, nice to see you ignore that too)gets futher and futher out ther and away from reality and the truth....an the person has already stated its about his blood, sweat and tears and years of sacrifice to get were he is that he isnt losing 40 plus year he says yes....me me me....dont mater if he calls me a liar, sam a liar or a person no longer here who cant defend himself...wat blood and sacrifices....less than 10 years on the net before happy hi puts up his side on the forums himself....so this guy jumps on that...gets a copyrite on that story....and now becomes what the new generation think is a international legend who has vast experince on multiple haze lines and has had the best on the planet....a haze master worthy of judging thè worlds biggest haze events....i wasnt trying to take that away anyway was i....but your abit biased towards me arnt you..actualyvmire than abit biased...youll stand by and watch someone who told no lie...who has had way more haze experince than you and him put together....who defended sam...and defended another who unfortunatly cant.....who has done a 2 x 2year stretchs...a 3 an a half year stretch...an a 5 year stretch all for the plant and geting it to ppl...who never once in my life had any security as its always been illegal wer i am and still is..so ive made man a sacrifice.and just because i tell the truth...and try and ask this person to relax a bit and just consider a diffrent view point....get blasted by them, get called a liar...the other person tells everone else im a liar...many of whom now look at him as one of these major haze authorities...so now have others laughing at me as if im a newb and dont know nothing..and get them now making posts about me as if im a huge liar...publicly saying not to wory about fools who know nothin...i get ridiculed ....my reputation draged through the mud....just cus someone cant risk the world knowing the truth about them thinking he is a mzjor haze authority...isnt really....and openly says they will do wat ever to protect that....nice....then you bring it up here again as if im in the wrong.....wat is it ...are all of you making some kind of money together....or making out your high level consultants....i wasnt trying to gain anything...neither did i want to lose anything......what did i do wrong....do none of you hav a heart....i answerd multiple questions that ther were pages and pages of...but no one seen that.or even cared apart from one or two ppl..you just saw yiur freind jupping up and down woried the truth might hurt his house of cards and it be exposd that he aint that clued up on haze....anyway ther was no argument from me. And that wasnt wat i wanted..i had no malace....i had nothing to gain or lose....guess i can be made to look like some idiot who talks complete nonsense and tells lies..like some has eddited all my posts to look like befor wich is dissapointing....my life aint been easy anyway.....anyway thank you for bringing the subject to my attention....i lernt alot.
..thank you donald...i appreacte the help you gave me with any questions i asked thanks for that


Sory harvest reaper...lime madness is made with the same mmthai78 above..aka the harmony strain lemon thai.....
 

harvestreaper

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It wasnt a comptition.... its not feeding...cus for a start the big mullum gives those leaf shapes regardles of feed....kangas were huge and his big mullum showed the exact same traits...thia78 regardles of grower or indoors outdoors gives the same uniquie traits...oh i re red my post...it may have looked like all of it was directed to put you down....that wasnt the case...i included you as i could use your expecince to understand...as youve grown alot of plants im assuming....and im guessing you progeny test....so i was trying to use your view point as a gauge to understand....cus i dont really understand how people see something else...like for examle the feedind you said....id actualy say the top one has had alot more feed.....but we can agree to disagre.



As for the haze thing ....wich you brought up.... everone conviently dont mention were sam put in emboldend leters that " he " (as in the other person, nice to see you ignore that too)gets futher and futher out ther and away from reality and the truth....an the person has already stated its about his blood, sweat and tears and years of sacrifice to get were he is that he isnt losing 40 plus year he says yes....me me me....dont mater if he calls me a liar, sam a liar or a person no longer here who cant defend himself...wat blood and sacrifices....less than 10 years on the net before happy hi puts up his side on the forums himself....so this guy jumps on that...gets a copyrite on that story....and now becomes what the new generation think is a international legend who has vast experince on multiple haze lines and has had the best on the planet....a haze master worthy of judging thè worlds biggest haze events....i wasnt trying to take that away anyway was i....but your abit biased towards me arnt you..actualyvmire than abit biased...youll stand by and watch someone who told no lie...who has had way more haze experince than you and him put together....who defended sam...and defended another who unfortunatly cant.....who has done a 2 x 2year stretchs...a 3 an a half year stretch...an a 5 year stretch all for the plant and geting it to ppl...who never once in my life had any security as its always been illegal wer i am and still is..so ive made man a sacrifice.and just because i tell the truth...and try and ask this person to relax a bit and just consider a diffrent view point....get blasted by them, get called a liar...the other person tells everone else im a liar...many of whom now look at him as one of these major haze authorities...so now have others laughing at me as if im a newb and dont know nothing..and get them now making posts about me as if im a huge liar...publicly saying not to wory about fools who know nothin...i get ridiculed ....my reputation draged through the mud....just cus someone cant risk the world knowing the truth about them thinking he is a mzjor haze authority...isnt really....and openly says they will do wat ever to protect that....nice....then you bring it up here again as if im in the wrong.....wat is it ...are all of you making some kind of money together....or making out your high level consultants....i wasnt trying to gain anything...neither did i want to lose anything......what did i do wrong....do none of you hav a heart....i answerd multiple questions that ther were pages and pages of...but no one seen that.or even cared apart from one or two ppl..you just saw yiur freind jupping up and down woried the truth might hurt his house of cards and it be exposd that he aint that clued up on haze....anyway ther was no argument from me. And that wasnt wat i wanted..i had no malace....i had nothing to gain or lose....guess i can be made to look like some idiot who talks complete nonsense and tells lies..like some has eddited all my posts to look like befor wich is dissapointing....my life aint been easy anyway.....anyway thank


Sory harvest reaper...lime madness is made with the same mmthai78 above..aka the harmony strain lemon thai.....
thanks dark now i need to find the ingredients of reefers lemon thai not fthe same as dutch floweers offering is it ?
 

Donald Mallard

el duck
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hmmm,
all i can say man , is you have mentioned you are old and failing in health,
dont spend the rest of the time you have with this sort of stuff ,
go down the beach , light a fattie ,
get some girls , , what ever it takes for some fun ,
read some comedy , watch some fun shows ,
dont spend time here with this stuff ...

i;m also getting older , and dont see the need for this ,
i have done stuff , i am someone , in the real world , i have made achievements , and earned respect ,i dont need to prove anything to anyone on the net ,
nor do i need this to and fro , who did what , who did the most,
i dont think you do either ,
share some relevant information perhaps ,
go out as a cool guy who folks look to for accurate info ....
 

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