MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Indica_Dreamer]

Hey Julian, if you're looking for a good read, pick up http://www.amazon.com/Wherever-You-...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215447708&sr=1-1 that book. Its an excellent read, life changing.

 

[Julian]

Julian, I know you've dealt with clouds of mosquitoes before....How about deer/horse flies? Fuck I hate those things...I had a couple get stuck in my ear and nose....funny sound that makes.:smile:

Got it pretty good overall yesterday...At least 40 or 50 mosquito/fly bites on my face/neck alone. Probably just as many on the back/top of my head too...

Now, I don't know about 1000 bites , but I figure at least a couple hundred overall. Could be quite a bit more though...I'm sure they were all over my back and I didn't even notice. No ear ringing yet.:wink:

I'd been out of the bush for a few hours already, (was in for like 15-16, pretty exhausted) just sitting inside the house, relaxing, had some people over, and I still found myself swatting imaginary bugs away that I'd feel or hear.

BTW, you ever worry about getting some fucked up disease from all the bug bites?

Forget the bears and mountain lions...I worry about diseases..ticks, rattle snakes...The insidious shit that doesn't kill you outright, but can mess you up longterm.

Hey man.............absofuckinlutely....

That is my greatest concern actually......and weighs on my mind for all......as of course a very, very, very serious issue for all who come in contact..

(See ....you say no ear ringing, but you said later was swatting at things you thought you heard .....)

What I use also (I have a little stashed everywhere ), which works very, very well, for afterwards is the ammonia based bite remedies.....(several , on shelf at any drug store, ask about it....)...

Ammonia based, rub it on....itch and swelling is reduced basically immediately....

What type of repellent did you say you've been using? I grabbed some stuff before I went out, 23% DEET was the best I could find just looking quickly. Didn't seem to help much....but who knows, maybe I would have been hit 10x worse without it.

Whatever is in the truck...(partners always have a lot onhand...)

I try and avoid it when possible (because once you start working and the sweat starts flowing, it doesn't really do anything anyway.....at all....Plus, what also concerns me is the DEET itself.......(It's fuckin poison.........have that shit all over, breathing all day, on ride home if can't take a shower and have spare set of clothes, etc.....More then once have had to stop, get out, and walk around because too much (fumes) in vehicles, etc), plus, again, if no change of clothes, which happens to me sometimes if just going to take a quick walk-through, basically done for day until can take a shower and change clothes (can't go somewhere and hang out, because you reek, etc, etc....)

(I always prefer to get a quick shower and change, also to check for ticks and such, etc.......)

I think last stuff I used was Deep Woods, comes in around 25%....Worse for some then others....long list of possible reasons...(sweat, diet, etc)....

I went in looking for any potential repellents/remedies (CDC), and, most that people claim are declared myths by the CDC.....(Some claim increased levels of vitamin B's......, etc, etc....) There is some Avon soap which is basically agreed upon across the board as actually effective.......

I was talking to someone yesterday about the possibility of them becoming immune generation by generation......(I can be sprayed down, and, still have many.....so......seems to make little difference.....)

Anyhow, good to hear about your life changing experiences. Take it easy man.

Thanks man.....you too.......

Life.......ya know?.....Anyone who thinks they get it only needs to wake up tomorrow to be proven wrong , ya know?......so....got 40yrs left myself I am sure (of lessons and such, changes, realizations, etc, etc.....)

the other day at the cottage I saw this handyman bust out this cool electric pump. He used it to bail the water out of the boat, simply hooked it up the boat's battery and it pumped the water out. A tiny pump that unloaded 20 gal/hour; not bad. Anyone come across something similar but larger? This is incredibly stealth in the bush, no need for gas. As quiet as possible and smooth.

Lot of different and similar available.........just have to take the time to search a little for something that fits ones needs........

I can't believe how big this thread has grown... I should have copy/pasted a book when I first read it.. now i gotta go back and do it all over again. Such good information.

Well thanks man.........just a conversation..........There will always be another ....

http://www.vtarmynavy.com/insect_repellents.htm
Ben's® 100 Tick & Insect Repellent contains 95 percent DEET

95%?....Fuck.............I get concerned using the 25....(cause it's poison .....)

Wonder if it works as well as we would think it does ...

Hey Julian, if you're looking for a good read, pick up http://www.amazon.com/Wherever-You-...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215447708&sr=1-1 that book. Its an excellent read, life changing.

I think I might have read that actually......(Don't read as much as I used to/normally do.......)

My meditation tip for people lately is floating on your back in pool (I try to get everyone to do it .....Some try it for 30 seconds, and say "Wow, yeah, I see what you mean".........which....30 seconds?......they don't ......(When they do it and stay there 30 minutes ...I know they do get it ....)

Have been myself more lately than usual ....I can fall asleep for 2 hours actually floating on back........

 

[southwind]

Ouch

Ouch

Thanks to Julians extra warning about the 4th of July traffic [ in ALL ways ]

I was driving carefully when my tire exploded.

Thanks to God and the Higher Power there was NO ONE near me.

The tires tread came off , took out my entire wheel well, ripped parts of the attached bumper off, one sidelight, dmaged rear quarter panel, pulled out a brake light, and damaged my motorized antenna...parts wrapped around my axle and sent me into a half spin when the axle seized...

No one was hurt.

My car rolled to a stop about ten feet from a call box.

called the 911, triple AAA was notifed, tire was repalced, bumper was taped down andthe parts around axle were pried off with a crow bar.

went home


thank all Gods it was not when I had starts in the car.



just checkin in...


hope all are well.


sw

 

[Julian]

Wow.........

Well, glad your well (sorry about car)...and all turned out okay.......

Nice greenhouse there btw ......(Have been thinking about such lately ...)

 

[Guest]

what about electric post diggers???? thats something id like to check out. rechargeable fuckers, yea....

 

[Fast_Pine]

Yeah, sweet greenhouse. Got any more pictures of that thing..The plants to the right look huge!..


Glad to hear ya didnt wreck..Crazy shit man..

 

[BonsaiBud]

The Avon Skin-so-soft is for blackflies. It will attract mosquitoes.

I, personally, choose to use DEET when it is really bad. You up in the swamp, Jilian. I only use the 95% stuff and I try not to get it on my clothing or plastic stuff. Natural fibers are ok. Cotton can take it. Most synthetics (elastic go bye bye) will be ruined.
So...I only put it on my skin. I like to think of it as the "summer scent". But yeah, kinda hard to explain lots of daily trips to the deep woods.

There is always the thick-clothing approach. I have seen some deep mosquito penetration in my time. It takes a rain coat to stop them. I'll post a pic of my miserable little group of trail crew when we were overcome with mosquitoes.

 

[Julian]

The Avon Skin-so-soft is for blackflies. It will attract mosquitoes.

Well, I wanted to double check....CDC had a "Facts and Myths" page when I was in there, but, not anymore, but, you can see here, IR3535 (Avon SSS) listed...

(See, lot of aspects in why one gets bit and another not, because they also say while the IR3535 is effective, it's not near as effective as the DEET.....)

I, personally, choose to use DEET when it is really bad. You up in the swamp, Jilian. I only use the 95% stuff and I try not to get it on my clothing or plastic stuff. Natural fibers are ok. Cotton can take it. Most synthetics (elastic go bye bye) will be ruined.
So...I only put it on my skin. I like to think of it as the "summer scent". But yeah, kinda hard to explain lots of daily trips to the deep woods.

See, actually, they recommend on clothing instead of skin (on covered areas), and, they also say more than 50% isn't effective....

(At one point I had more then enough and went searching for any and everything possible, and, found a lot of what we hear are just myths and such......Citronella for example they say carries no effectiveness (but certain product, I forget, they say can cover larger areas....)

There is always the thick-clothing approach. I have seen some deep mosquito penetration in my time. It takes a rain coat to stop them. I'll post a pic of my miserable little group of trail crew when we were overcome with mosquitoes.

Here's another good one as to what causes interest, what increases interest, etc......(if your working, etc...which we all are...physical exertion, etc.....)

Lot of times if I am hitting spots for light work, (whatever....trimming, top feed......well, me?...for me everything after planting is light work ...well, compared to hauling, prepping and planting, etc ...) I won't have changes of clothes, etc, so, sometimes just wear t shirt, jeans....throw on boots and gloves (always have camo and boots and gloves in trunk) etc...depends on spot....(sometimes if spot dictates full camo, etc....but then I always have a change of clothes on me, etc......)

 

[Jungle Jim]

There are certain products that help the bug situation for sure. Some of them are only effective aginst certain bugs and,as Julian said, some of them are marketed as being effictive, but are worthless in stopping them. Look at the clothing worn by military men/women from the areas that have huge insect populations. Bloused boots. Long sleeves buttoned down. Top of the socks turned outside the boots. They wear lightweight camo that can be bought from pretty much any military surplus store. Putting poison on your skin is not good for you at all. I know the bites are irritating, but "off" and the likes of it are harmful. Use clothing to protect yourself as much as you can. Lets face it, if there are 40 million ticks with your nutsack on the menu, some of them are going to dinner no matter what you do.

 

[DaDank]

Potential Disaster?

Potential Disaster?

Gentle Readers-
Amazingly, I have succeeded in my early attempt at growing ganga. Beyond my wildest dreams. In Feb. I got beans from some nice folks in Amsterdam. Four months later, I have two wonderful mother plants from whom I have gotten (drum roll, please) 20 clones. Total miracle. Now it is July and it is time for them to go outside and play. Is it possible to just toss them into daylight after their 24/0 adolescence under a grow light? I do not have the facilities for "hardening them off". Am I on the road to disaster? Or am I not giving my little friends enough credit? "Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." Teddy Roosevelt

 

[Fast_Pine]

take one clone, go put it in the bushes some where(any where),,,leave it for a day....If she makes it, yer ready to go.....

It all depends on the root to plant ratio....too much plant not enough roots, there gonna burn up in the intense sun for sure...And of course moisture is key. Soak them down before the transplant..

Good luck with those 20 clones man..

 

[Julian]

Gentle Readers-
Amazingly, I have succeeded in my early attempt at growing ganga. Beyond my wildest dreams. In Feb. I got beans from some nice folks in Amsterdam. Four months later, I have two wonderful mother plants from whom I have gotten (drum roll, please) 20 clones. Total miracle. Now it is July and it is time for them to go outside and play. Is it possible to just toss them into daylight after their 24/0 adolescence under a grow light? I do not have the facilities for "hardening them off". Am I on the road to disaster? Or am I not giving my little friends enough credit?

Well, breakdown is, first, are they established enough? (roots)

Second is what have they been under, and, third, is, if your weather is particularly nasty right now, you don't have the ability to simply move the tray into the sunlight little here and there?.....

I've always moved things from 1k to out, no matter when, and, have known some who moved them from floros to out in July.....

Also, keep in mind the most significant factor is how you get them out...

Good hole, good prep, before rains, overcast, adequate moisture....and no reason shouldn't be good to go...

I also always do 24/0....always have....for everything......forever.....

Not a miracle man ...That's all how it works ...

Just remember, the basics are how you get them in determines everything...

(I also water with the same mix on planting I use in(slightly stronger).......which, if using crystals, they will absorb.....)

Honestly.....I think very few do give them enough credit (myself included also sometimes )

I was supposed to be planting today (right now) myself.......seems one of my partners "forgot" and is off doing something else of no significance.... Guess I shouldn't have spent all night mixing dry mixes, mixing and hauling nutes...etc Needless to say I'm fuckin salty today ....

 

[Julian]

take one clone, go put it in the bushes some where(any where),,,leave it for a day....If she makes it, yer ready to go.....

It all depends on the root to plant ratio....too much plant not enough roots, there gonna burn up in the intense sun for sure...And of course moisture is key. Soak them down before the transplant..

Good luck with those 20 clones man..

Hey my brother....... Same post same time ....Amen ...

Yeah, weather the key but I didn't want to start asking specifics about temps and such (regional identification, etc).....high 80's is one thing, even 90's....100's and up another completely different issue, as is region (intensity....)

I think moisture is number 1 key for the most part.....certainly seems to be (roots and moisture..."established"....)

 

[Julian]

Gentle Readers-
Amazingly, I have succeeded in my early attempt at growing ganga. Beyond my wildest dreams. In Feb. I got beans from some nice folks in Amsterdam. Four months later, I have two wonderful mother plants from whom I have gotten (drum roll, please) 20 clones. Total miracle. Now it is July and it is time for them to go outside and play. Is it possible to just toss them into daylight after their 24/0 adolescence under a grow light? I do not have the facilities for "hardening them off". Am I on the road to disaster? Or am I not giving my little friends enough credit?

This is also about the time you should start pulling up 2 week extended forecasts and monitoring them (twice daily, morning and night)......which is especially useful for such things (planting, etc).....

Maybe your looking at cooler temps, depending on region...maybe some rain, etc.....

You pull up the forecasts and you develop your planting schedule based around them..

Maybe cooler (better for work, better for plants, etc......ie: You don't want to "just decide" and have it be a week without rain, and planting and working and hauling on the hottest days.........

2 days from now could be cooler , etc...

Always work hand in hand with forecast to your advantage...

 

[HOVAH]

Poison oak, ivory, mosquitos, ive become immune to it all... however i cant stand horse-flys...theres one that lives at my grow site, it follows me all the way back to my bike.... i cant catch it, to kill it.. deek, repelliant does nothing to it ,,,, a hope it bothers the dear as much as it does me ....

 

[BonsaiBud]

Anyone been outside on a sunny day lately? Just think how cruel it is to keep your plants locked away under artificial light. If They were dogs, they would be barking at the door right now. If they were cats, they would be sitting on the window sill with one eye on your front door just waiting for a chance to scamper outside.

But they don't have legs!

 

[DaDank]

Peat Pot Planting...

Peat Pot Planting...

In an image long ago and far away...
Posted by Julian - a True Believer in the Church of the Peat Pot...
There was an image of a clone which had taken hold so well that its little roots had already popped outside the peat pot. They were obviously ready for bigger and better things. In a well prepped guerilla plot somehwere. My clones are at this same stage. My question is: what happens to the peat pot itself? Obviously, it is a) permeable b) biodegradeable. Does one plant the clone with P. pot, or do you carefully remove the pot to make the roots job a bit easier?
Thanks in advance for any input.

 

[Julian]

Poison oak, ivory, mosquitos, ive become immune to it all... however i cant stand horse-flys...theres one that lives at my grow site, it follows me all the way back to my bike.... i cant catch it, to kill it.. deek, repelliant does nothing to it ,,,, a hope it bothers the dear as much as it does me ....

So get a horse

You know, the mosquitos are more an annoyance then anything.....sometimes for quick walk throughs I am tempted to not use anything, ( only there 10 minutes and will reek all day, etc) but, as above....diseases and such concern me......

Maybe it's someone you knew (If you believe in such ....)

Anyone been outside on a sunny day lately? Just think how cruel it is to keep your plants locked away under artificial light. If They were dogs, they would be barking at the door right now. If they were cats, they would be sitting on the window sill with one eye on your front door just waiting for a chance to scamper outside.

Yep ..........I try to never keep things a day longer then I have to....Sooner they're out, the sooner they can get underway ......

Yeah......I always forget growth rates....(certain time of year, I might think they should be further along, etc...always best to wait 2 weeks before I get up set.....

Not a lot of pics so far, various reasons, but, lot of things I wish I would have (Brought a camera last time to op that got hit........then didn't bring one to one that was fine, go figure ......(I assumed one that got hit would be the good one and one that was fine would be the bad one ..,....) But, yeah......wish I had a plant and visit shot of at least one plot...(6"-4' in 30 days.....June......July still haven't done what I should as far as visits.....going to have to plant more soon also to make up for losses previously......but, hoping will feel very good next time I see them ...

In an image long ago and far away...
Posted by Julian - a True Believer in the Church of the Peat Pot...
There was an image of a clone which had taken hold so well that its little roots had already popped outside the peat pot. They were obviously ready for bigger and better things. In a well prepped guerilla plot somehwere. My clones are at this same stage. My question is: what happens to the peat pot itself? Obviously, it is a) permeable b) biodegradeable. Does one plant the clone with P. pot, or do you carefully remove the pot to make the roots job a bit easier?
Thanks in advance for any input.

That's funny

Well, as always, I change everything up on a whim frequently....This year, did a lot (lot) of starts in just the pellets, and ran them an extra week or so....worked very well, smaller for transport, etc (pic somewhere earlier)...

Now.......if the roots are busting through big time, I usually sink them straight in.....

Note: If more than adequate moisture in trays?....sometimes they are already falling apart by the time you put them out...

Anyway....

What I did last round was to actually peel as much as possible away, which wasn't that difficult because they weren't yet completely and totally busting through, but...and, I'll tell ya...out of all season so far, that is the picture that I really wished I could have gotten...(peeled away and basically looked like they were in the beer cups as far as roots, etc.....)

Procedure?.......just peel very carefully, very slow....start at a good point, and basically try and do it like a wrapper on a 2 liter...(break through one side, peel completely around and bottom should come at the end.....)

(Of interest and amusement: I talk to them while peeling it of, and, I swear that they "come loose" 10 x easier .....it feels like they "let go"........can't explain it...one of those things one has to experience to understand ....Most think amusing, but, eh......they are usually the ones you can';t count on for simple tasks ......(although does amuse me also, so.....)

Yeah...they weren't busting through like usually, but, peeled it off and was like pulling them out of keg cups......same rootball (was gorgeous also, wanted pics of that......)...remnants?......just mix em up in the hole...


Yeah, I'm always changing everything on a moments notice....for various reasons..(paranoid, reference, new ideas, experimentation, etc......)

Keeping a lot in pellets was not planned, just worked out that way, and worked well (I usually use a lot later season, not early season, etc.....)

 

[InjectTruth]

I just saw that Billy Mayes Awesome Auger and it got me going over page 117 again. Have you heard anything about the cordless drill yet? The 24v job?

Im looking to go this route, since my spots are a little closer to people, factories, plus the later season holes dont have to be as deep either. I see all kinds of planting augers and earth auger bits for drills, but when I see that big hefty drills go for more than the gas auger, it makes me waffle.

Anyone got a line on a solid cordless drill that can handle the job?

 

[frostynugs420]

no fucking luck this year. everything is going to hell. the secure spot that i spent $300 on in someones house and gave them money for rent, they straight up tossed them out the door on me and said they cant have them in their house. WHAT THE FUCK.
after i already gave them 1/2 the money, i thought they would fucking want the other half too, but they would rather fuck me. i swear no one cares about their word anymore. i would die to keep my word.
so i guess im going to be planting the seeds at the patch still in the 2 1/4 sqare jiffy strips (on a good note, i love them jiffy strips, didnt know you could get them like that)
i still have a solid 2 weeks to plant right? cause i finally got my car back on the road (after 2 months of not being able to pay insurance do to over $10,0000 in death expenses for my brother) i could def get 500 in in the next 2 weeks if im still good to plant, i usually do early runs, im scared planting this late with bag seed especially. not bad seeds, i def know how to pick killer seeds.
atleast i have my PS spot in the ground and should be doing very well. ive had perfect conditions since theyve been in, and i was very happy with their location/ammendments.