MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Tropical]

Julian, I love your thread (including the pics!). Even though I only grow for my personal use, I dream of pulling off a (relatively) massive grow so I can build up enough stash to not have to worry about growing for years.

The reason I have to grow, instead of just buying, is because I don't have good connections with commercial growers or even dealers. Reading your thread made me wonder how growers like you hook up with the dealers who buy from you. How do customers find dealers? When I was a kid, it was easy, but not anymore. Most of my friends stopped getting high when they had kids. The few people I know well who like to get stoned are in the same boat as I. When I meet somebody smoking outside a party, they offer a toke, maybe even a joint, but nobody wants to be a dealer and their dealers are too suspicious of people they don't know. The few times I have managed to hook-up with a dealer, it was always some teenager who deals in dime bags and is the kind of sketchy character who is unreliable, often goes dry, and after a couple months the cell phone is disconnected and the kid is unreachable. Do you know what I mean?

It seems like it would be even harder for a regular guy to have connections with elements of the criminal underworld who would buy tens of pounds of pot at a time. If you show up to meet these guys with a hundred pounds of pot, aren't you afraid they will show up with guns and rip you off? Or worse? That would scare me even more than LEO.

 

[Vol Funk]

Would you run or stay if you get caught(by polices) for tending your plants?

 

[Julian]

Julian, I love your thread (including the pics!). Even though I only grow for my personal use, I dream of pulling off a (relatively) massive grow so I can build up enough stash to not have to worry about growing for years.

Thanks man.....glad of interest......

You could just do some kind of staggered runs if only for ps....I've really never kept anything too long, for various reasons...nothing I can't dump fairly quick...

The reason I have to grow, instead of just buying, is because I don't have good connections with commercial growers or even dealers. Reading your thread made me wonder how growers like you hook up with the dealers who buy from you. How do customers find dealers? When I was a kid, it was easy, but not anymore. Most of my friends stopped getting high when they had kids. The few people I know well who like to get stoned are in the same boat as I. When I meet somebody smoking outside a party, they offer a toke, maybe even a joint, but nobody wants to be a dealer and their dealers are too suspicious of people they don't know. The few times I have managed to hook-up with a dealer, it was always some teenager who deals in dime bags and is the kind of sketchy character who is unreliable, often goes dry, and after a couple months the cell phone is disconnected and the kid is unreachable. Do you know what I mean?

It seems like it would be even harder for a regular guy to have connections with elements of the criminal underworld who would buy tens of pounds of pot at a time. If you show up to meet these guys with a hundred pounds of pot, aren't you afraid they will show up with guns and rip you off? Or worse? That would scare me even more than LEO.

Nah man.......as elsewhere, somewhere above, here, whatever.......nah, doesn't really work like that.....

Was just talking to someone yesterday about one guy I have known for 27 years....another for 30.......years....

You know your on the road to aging when your friends you have known for 30 years I suppose..(well, theoretically, someone could be 34 and know someone for 30 years, so....point still remains....)

Nah...not sure how other people do their business but, rarely any cash exchanges in my world....even when someone newer...(put up some cash, I front the other half or more.....you don't pay?....people will come. If offended enough......maybe I'll come.......(violence should be avoided at all costs.....not worth it, costs more money than most imagine....depends on ones level for tolerance I guess.....(I know a guy right now owes me some money.....straight guy, 100% good....but, hasn't returned my last 2 calls and frankly that alone makes me want to hop on plane and show up at his front door with a baseball bat and remind him how men behave and treat others.... (not about money....about the principle....)....Guys straight, guys busy....he's okay, sure has every penny..........so?.......too busy to make a 2 minute phone call?...no such thing....one of my pet peeves...."busy busy busy"....

Bullshit

You can break almost anything down reasonably and safe. People who do 100 lots ("full case" ....) might do 2-50's to their people...maybe 5-20's, etc....and, other thing people talk about, and, I see in movies and such is the absurdity of coming clean on every batch.....

Example:Let's say someone owes you for 20......well........they might throw some back.....then they might have 10 out...and 5 left.....so, any way you slice it, they are going to need another round before they come clean....if not?...they will lose person waiting for other people to come back........You owe 50K....you give me 30...say you have another 40 out.....(and sounds right ), then you get another, etc......

(To people who wonder how you know?, how you can test if something wrong? Tell em you want it back to give to someone else and will give them another while they finish the rest ....

If there are any "ummmm"....."well, but see", etc.......there's a problem...

I told someone the other day, here's the basis of fronting:
You give someone things for years, they're straight, they fuck up, you let em work it off.......They don't?....goes sour?...well, your loss is minimal, and, you just made countless money from them.....

Nah....most people stick with long time friends family and associates.......everything on fronts....and revolving balance continuously.....(When I was younger?....fuck.....I didn't hit $0 on balance in like 15 years ....literally.........)

Same like a store...inventory....you balance what's going out and how fast to try and stay consistent....you don't wait till shelf empty on high volume product.....every second it's empty your losing money.....

Who and what they are and what they do determines their credit and front and leeway.......

(personally?....I like the above best, because it gets everything out of the way and cleans "house" so to speak.........lowers traffic......cuts down any communications whatsoever.......100?....give 5 people 20 and take a vacation.......500?.....give 5 people 50, stash other 250 (their next round when low) and relax, etc.....

No traffic..............already stocked.....no communications....more than they need.......nothing to say....

(of course....people shouldn't be allowed to go too far over their needs......always want minimal in people's hands if something happens....ie: someone does 5's....10 maybe not bad........50's?.....maybe 100 lot but not a 250....etc.....everything everywhere should be minimal in case worse scenario....(and, likewise, if everything gone and spread out, if something happens to you?......your empty ....

All depends man....some go quantity for volume discount.....give someone same price across the board taking their overall volume into consideration than doesn't matter....that's what I prefer......(ie: If your taking hundreds...but total will be like...500....I'll just base each 100 on 5 price more or less, etc......)

I think most people work the same.......rarely have I ever known or seen anyone who says "Pay me in full, up front or fuck off".....

Edit: Regarding that last statement.........something important....

Many people?........give them something right price?, and they can move it......

I am sure many who dabble at any level are in same position...let's use small as an example almost anyone can understand.....

5 p's?.......15k in cash.......

I highly doubt most people who get 5's from their guy throw them 15k in cash first......

So....if you had to sit around and wait for them to accumulate 15k?....

Guess what.....you'll be waiting forever , and, in the meantime, let's say 5 a week (2 weeks...reasonable, smaller), okay...that's 100 something a year..(300k exchanged yearly....which one misses out on it they don't front....)

See....I take that topic seriously, because, my life, I have known a lot of people who just needed a "boost".......they can move things....don't have the cash, but, they have the traffic to do it if they had it for right price...so...

Also.......

You help someone out like that......they prosper.....your always on good ground.....you enabled them to take advantage of something when no one else would.......(and, in the process, they handed over 300 something k that year to you ......)

All about being reasonable...understanding how things work, etc.....

If I needed something tomorrow for myself first thing I would ask is "how much down you want for _____lbs....." correction...that is the second....



First thing I would ask is where are the breaks in price and at what volume ...

2nd edit: above 3k per talking my own nice stuff, not like "regular"....which in my world people dump like maybe 2k per for very nice stuff, I might be able to get for 6.....then hand off to them for 12-14 when typical source charges 18....., so, that scenario, would be like 10 for 12-14, etc....

All depends....you get one?....maybe 18 usually (from elsewhere).....5?...might be 1650, etc....10?...might be 15, etc......

I always ask people what price they wish they could get it for, and then try to go a couple hundred under that ...

Couple hundred extra per adds up for a lot of people.....could be the difference between making 4k a month and 8k.......for same work...

 

[GroBoy2000]

above post

Fucking priceless

 

[dj digigrow]

its just business baby!!..
as always, great read.
please keep this thread going..

 

[BritishColumbia]

Julian?

Julian?

On a different topic i was wondering if you know about buying shares in las vegas casinos (NotBuilt) for example once the casinos go public and offer shares usually the price would be 10-15 dollars a share and buy the time the foundation is layed a year or more later the price has jumped to 30-35 a share,2 years later the casino is up N running and it peaks at 120 plus a share,4/5 years and you could make a 800% profit,sounds to good to be true?

 

[Tropical]

My day job is in finance. I can help you there, but it is way off topic. Let me just say that the rate of return on investments is based on the amount or risk and liquidity. If anything gave such a huge return, the guys on Wall Street would keep buying it with billions of dollars until the price got bid up to the point where the rate of return came back in line. That happens in a matter of seconds, not months.

Here is sound investment advice:

1. Your first investment should always be paying off high interest debt (credit cards, auto loans, etc).

2. Buy your home instead of renting if you are going to stay there more than a few years.

3. Next, max out your tax advantaged accounts (IRA, 401k, etc).

4. Buy a diversified portfolio of stocks or a broad based mutual fund (and real estate if you can hold on for a long time and manage it).

 

[Julian]

See, now, I wouldn't agree, especially with returns and opportunities...(there's not enough to go around........thousands of things moving daily.....Bear Stearns my favorite latest example.....if one would have played it out hard, on margin.....1400% within a couple days........(I said up to 700% before, but, stopped paying attention and didn't know it doubled after that ...)

I would have said that pre IPO if your not deep within the company or an institutional investor.....your SOL...(Many don't know that also comes with restrictions on when one can sell, etc....ie: They don't want people to sell within certain time period, and, if you do?....well, good luck getting another ....)

Visa a good example.....Mastercard did...I don't even know....4-600% within 24 months?...and, it's said Visa in infinitely better position......still have not penetrated some of worlds largest markets....and, Visa preferred....Mastercard secondary to a degree.....(I think China was one of markets mentioned for Visa to enter, etc......)

Nah.....pre IPO is institutional investors from my understanding.....

 

[Julian]

Fucking priceless

Did I miss something man? , ya lost me ......

 

[Julian]

its just business baby!!..
as always, great read.
please keep this thread going..

Thanks man........

Busy with some things lately......and, a lot discussed for now...so....didn't really think of anything to add for now....

Leaning towards killing it here and there lately....is always another it seems ....

I get spooked sometimes just like all, but, usually take it a little farther unlike all ........and....on that note:

To our always constant and silent guests ........I was talking with someone recently about eradication efforts.......outdoor....indoors ops.......how each and every day the numbers of people starting to grow......thousands, possibly upon thousands starting every year......

You guys do realize that it is statistically impossible to win...........and, the more pressure put on pursuing growers, will mean less efforts towards Heroin, Cocaine, Meth, which are the true enemies....

Marijuana doesn't create the severe physical damage the above do.......

It doesn't create the associated violent crime the above do.....(We could start with the murder of Judges and work our way down all the way to drive by's and OD's......

It doesn't kill the countries teenagers on prom night....not does it ensure a portion will never come home after large parties and such.......

Anyway.........I just thought I'd throw that out there....cause they are always here

Our numbers are growing 100 times the rate of yours.....

While I like to think that most who dedicate their careers to stopping the flow of narcotics genuinely believe they are doing the right thing..........The above makes less and less sense to more and more people and the numbers grow and grow each day that goes by........

So....................

Just thought I'd say hi.

Let me know if I can get you anything........a beer......something to beat your wife with....maybe some cyanide....

 

[frostynugs420]

amen julian...my little city just got K-9 unit and their fucking flaunting it everywhere.

do they really theyre going to stop people from smoking weed?
do they really think theyre "saving lives"?
do they really think that they are doing the work the lord intended?

they are a legal mafia to me. running around controlling the market for whichever way benefits them most, and using brutal force to get their way.

fucking pigs can and will rot in hell.

 

[Julian]

Where I live, weed is heavily saturated, I mean you can't sell anything that isn't grade A. Outdoor is realllly down on price, I'm talking P's for 1200 round October and that isn't in bulk either.

So I wanted to point out demand for strains and types. Unfortunately all the dumb'ies that buy want "purple", doesn't matter what strain it is, its all "purple" if its purple. So if you grow some dank-ass purple outdoors you can actually move it for a price.

So my ramblings are: Do you guys deal with strains that actually have demand/appeal or do you just grow whatever and it sells?

Well......I know people are split on a lot of things are region states the demand.....

Someone earlier stated they and their circle (clubs) can tell in from out, and even regional source by physical examination......

I know some say outdoor market not great.........

I dunno man.,......I don't know what people are growing.....don't know how they are clipping and curing and drying it......

My ps out always can be passed off as indoor...(some have, I would never do that...I'm happy with my work and stand by it.....)

I get a solid 3k more or less for my out.....depends what it is......I run a lot of different things, so...sometimes things are less than I had hoped for....spot issues (sun, etc)...and, goes for less.......

In my markets "regular" (anything that isn't hardcore) goes for anywhere from 1600-2400 for singles......and, sometimes, is pretty damn impressive I must say...

The best things I have sometimes go for up to 4K per..(BOG,Pink/Lemon stuff, PPP from some of the better spots came out extremely nice....single p in someones bedroom drawer on 2nd floor you could smell when walking in their front door on 1st floor......

Me personally.....I just grow what I want, try and shoot for nice stuff....sometimes take a risk on things....sometimes turns out good, sometimes not..(PPP such a case...never ran it before...went over very, very, very well ....ie: Could have sold 500 of em for 4k a piece alone .....)

I just grow what I want....for me.....what I want to try.....what I want to smoke, etc........hopefully comes out profitable.....sometimes a little less.....

My environment is a little less driven by public opinion and trends, etc....(somewhat....depends where it's going...I have circles I give stuff do who couldn't care less about specifics....bag appeal and smell and they're into it, even if it's dogshit......Had people turn down what I deemed the nicest stuff in favor of other stuff....so.......

Just my specific situation........Had some stuff last year I gave away....period...didn't like it...way it looked, way it smelled, etc...just something about it........receiver and circle ranted and raved how nice it was..(Don't remember what it was....was private source.....one strain/cross, etc........did not go over well with me.....(I did hold onto some to try later on to see if I was mistaken, and, as far as I cam concerned, I wasn't mistaken .....)

If in Cali, I guess I'd be doing an assortment which met popular demand.........hopefully would be things I liked also ...

 

[Tropical]

Julian, a million thanks for your dissertation on the business side of cannabis cultivation. I find it fascinating even if I never enter that industry as anything more than a customer or a self-provider when I lack a hook-up. I'm still trying to understand it all. I don't know all the slang. Would you mind helping me understand it by answering a few more questions?

What is a "hundred lots" or "full case"?

The next paragraph is an example of somebody who owes you 20. Is that 20 pounds? dollars? or what?

Later, when you mention never hitting a zero balance in 15 years, that means that you always had at least one dealer owing you money for pot that you advanced?

Moving on to the guy who gets fronted 5 pounds. If he is selling 2-3 pounds per week, he makes around $1k per pound? $2-3k per week in unreported cash? And he has trouble accumulating $15K? I wouldn't doubt that if you say so, but it would sound like they aren't exactly very disciplined nor professional.

Another question on the same topic is if you only harvest in the fall, and you never hold on to inventory for a long time, how do you keep fronting him five pounds at a time all year long? Indoor growers can have a harvest every month, as can growers in warm climates, like here, but up north?

The more interesting question is how did this guy end up in the position to sell so much? How did you come to know him? Was he an old friend that you started many years ago by fronting him an ounce and he eventually started fronting other guys an ounce and training them to be dealers? Like multi-level marketing? It's not like you can just put an ad in the help wanted section of the newspaper. "Commercial pot grower looking for wholesaler to sell lots of pot." LOL

Sorry, for all the questions, but I'm not quite understanding how this industry works. I can explain IPO's if you are interested, though. ;-) The short story is that there is no free lunch, the guys who get the allocations of the IPO are the ones who kind of overpaid for something else and the "profit" is more like a partial refund.

 

[Tropical]

Julian, are you saying that "regular" weed sells for $1600 to $2400 per pound when purchased one pound at a time? Would "regular" include strains like Northern Lights #2, Skunk #1, and Super Silver Haze? Those are common commercial strains around here, but they cost closer to $4000 per pound when purchased one pound at a time. I assume the grower must be getting around $3000. What we call "regs" here would be heavily seeded, stale, moldy buds imported from outside of the USA.

 

[tripples]

hundred lot = 100 lbs or full case

owes 20 = the buyer owes the dealer $20,000

a guy that moves 2-3 pounds a week isnt making a grand on every pound.. maybe he is selling half pounds or qp's maybe he has a buyer who buys 1 pound every week.. maybe he makes 200-250$ on the qp's if that, maybe he makes up to 200 on each half pound he sells, and maybe he makes a hundred or hundred fifty if he dumps a pound to his guy.. so if he sells 4 qp's = 800,, 2 halves = 400,, and makes 100 on the last pound.. so all together he made 1300 in the week or two it took him to get rid of the 3 pounds.. hes got bills too, why do you think hes selling weed..

if someone was to grow 1000 pounds of weed.. do you think they are just gonna throw it in their bedroom closet.. no,, maybe they would put 50 pounds in 20 different storage units, that way when he needs 50 pounds he just goes and gets it and gets rid of it in one day.. and that would be one way to make it last more than a few months..

next.. how people get to the position of selling quantity.. well say i know 10 people who buy pot and sell it, dealers... now 2 of them moves 1 pound a week.. 2 of them move 2 pounds a week... 3 of them buy off of a guy who moves 10 pounds a week.. and the last 3 guys that i know move 20-50 pounds a month... ok follow me.. so know i know this guy X who can front me 100 pounds for a month... ok so now i got 100 pounds.. i call the 3 guys i know who move 20-50 pound a month,, they each buy 20 pounds.. 60 pounds gone.. keep following so now ive got 40 pounds of pot to sell with in 3 and a half weeks.. so i call those 3 guys who know another guy who sells 10 pounds a week and they all work with him and each buy 10 pounds.. ok now ive moved 90 pounds of pot in 2 weeks.. and ive got 10 pounds left.. call my guys that i know who move 2 pounds a week,, they both buy 2 pounds.. now im down to 6 pounds of pot left with only a week till i gotta pay this hard knock fucker named X.. so i call the last 2 guys who move a pound and they each buy a pound.. still with me? ok now ive got 4 pounds of pot left,, i got enough money to pay this fuckin X guy before he comes bangin on my door,, but i like makin him worry so i dont call him or return his calls.. with only 3 days left till he shows up with his gun, another one of the guys who goes thru 10 pounds calls and i say all i got is 4 pounds left, you want it? he takes it.. you still here?? ok this X character has really been on my ass and with 3 hours till hes due on my step,, i got his fuckin money for him.. and thats how a guy comes into the position to move 100 pounds in a month on front..

and you next dilemma.. everything is gonna be priced different.. everywhere.. it all depends if you know the hookup with the bomb strains for cheap..

peace

 

[Tropical]

Mr. Celsius, would you outdoor strains include at the level of skunk #1? I can't believe that would sell so cheap, even if grown outdoor. The end-user never knows where it was grown anyway.

 

[Julian]

Julian, a million thanks for your dissertation on the business side of cannabis cultivation. I find it fascinating even if I never enter that industry as anything more than a customer or a self-provider when I lack a hook-up. I'm still trying to understand it all. I don't know all the slang. Would you mind helping me understand it by answering a few more questions?

I didn't think there was any slang in there......

What is a "hundred lots" or "full case"?

Your going to have to guess on that one

The next paragraph is an example of somebody who owes you 20. Is that 20 pounds? dollars? or what?

Only on for a few minutes.....should have quoted it.....owes 20...or owes FOR 20 .....Can't look it back up........a lot was general ideas and not necessarily a specific.....I try not to outline scenarios 100% accurate....

Later, when you mention never hitting a zero balance in 15 years, that means that you always had at least one dealer owing you money for pot that you advanced?

That I remember because have said before and was referring to what I owed to my guys.,......could also be applied to what people owe me.....I have people who haven't hit zero in 20 years..........

Moving on to the guy who gets fronted 5 pounds. If he is selling 2-3 pounds per week, he makes around $1k per pound? $2-3k per week in unreported cash? And he has trouble accumulating $15K? I wouldn't doubt that if you say so, but it would sound like they aren't exactly very disciplined nor professional.

Many of those were rough examples, but, you seem to have missed the point........

If they cannot get it fronted to sell in the first place, how can they accumulate it

General point of that above I believe was if people have it, they can move it......

Another question on the same topic is if you only harvest in the fall, and you never hold on to inventory for a long time, how do you keep fronting him five pounds at a time all year long? Indoor growers can have a harvest every month, as can growers in warm climates, like here, but up north?

Anyway......................

The more interesting question is how did this guy end up in the position to sell so much? How did you come to know him? Was he an old friend that you started many years ago by fronting him an ounce and he eventually started fronting other guys an ounce and training them to be dealers? Like multi-level marketing? It's not like you can just put an ad in the help wanted section of the newspaper. "Commercial pot grower looking for wholesaler to sell lots of pot." LOL

Your referring to specific scenarios when above was some overviews....examples......based on real life.....

Sorry, for all the questions, but I'm not quite understanding how this industry works. I can explain IPO's if you are interested, though. ;-) The short story is that there is no free lunch, the guys who get the allocations of the IPO are the ones who kind of overpaid for something else and the "profit" is more like a partial refund.

Like any other industry.........you think stores pay for all inventory? ..

NnnnnnnnnnOPE.

Sometimes, as above, some down, deposit, other times, 100% floated line of credit......

Nah......not what I know about IPO's.....select heavy group gets it, then pass a little onto others (for more.....)....restrictions on sale to control market once public, etc.....Not my area of expertise, but, I know a little......

 

[tripples]

julian is a fast talker try to keep up with him tropical..

 

[Julian]

Julian, are you saying that "regular" weed sells for $1600 to $2400 per pound when purchased one pound at a time? Would "regular" include strains like Northern Lights #2, Skunk #1, and Super Silver Haze?

"Regular" (to me) anything nice that is not hardcore. Imports,lime, seedless, nice (no mold, little cure on it, great smell, nice taste....my preferred is nice chunky indicas, rounded compressed, not flattened, etc ...ie: Loose compress, so, you can break up with 2 fingers, and fluff.......sometimes the roadkill...and, btw, I am now on roadkill lookout for people......will come across some shortly I assume, will make a point to get all stock able to.....

The above comment why I tend to defend imports...cause that's "brick" to me............2k more or less lime, possible roadkill, seedless for most part, sometimes indicas, light compress....that's what I see from south of border....(lot of farms have dramatically improved....more are improving all the time.......little work, some nice genetics brought in......there ya go ./...

Those are common commercial strains around here, but they cost closer to $4000 per pound when purchased one pound at a time. I assume the grower must be getting around $3000.

I don't know what anyone charges......I only know what I would....that's about 3k for the above....more than 1 at a time....my nicest stuff sometimes up to 4.....I try to keep it as cheap as possible so people can make loads of money.....

What we call "regs" here would be heavily seeded, stale, moldy buds imported from outside of the USA.

I don't know....I never see anything like that, haven't in 20 yrs....(I have nothing to do with it...no need for it...nor does anyone I know, or ever have known, so.........

Countless producing countries (I always say like 50....60...could be up to 100 countries producing....I assure you.....the majority is nowhere near the above.......because no one wants it...(another reason why a lot of ops improving...no one wants their bunk shit......

In past.......I've gotten things from a lot of places (I know origin to be a fact, not speculation)........I don't know where everyone is seeing shit....not worth anything if you can't sell it...

Anything.....at all......

 

[Tropical]

tripples, thanks for the explanations. They make sense except for "say i know 10 people who buy pot and sell it, dealers..." How would you know ten dealers? If I knew even one dealer that could sell me a pound at I time, I wouldn't be a grower and I wouldn't be on this web site. You find a guy one time. Then he suddenly goes permanently dry or he disappears or something. It can take me years to find somebody else. So, how did the wholesaler come to find ten dealers who buy pounds?