MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

The issue with those spots is,,,,,people/animals round here gravitate toward any water source available..The mini spots got washed out buy a flash flood. Cant use that spot again. Gonna use the same stream to draw water from, but I will plant in elevated areas off the bank, to avoid a washout, ya know?

I didn't know about those (that lost..)....Yeah, in areas where that's a risk (many us us have em, I had patches in 1ft deep last season in some spots....wish would have taken pis, very cool actually, and, only a few out of many didn't make it before waters pulled back/soaked in....

Always have to take that into consideration (helps if one knows the areas, knows it's a possibility.....) But, even at a small distance, might still have access in some spots to ground water (roots)...especially if a good hole and moderate soil.....Could also vary and study the spots (traffic) and alter approach that way...(where do people come in, where they walk/ride...etc)...

Always a lot of those issues with riverbank/river bottom spots..(I've done many.....I know risk though in spots cause did for a while (used those spots)

You know about the mudd splater problems I have....That shit kills me...In short, the only places with enough grass and vegitation to provode good cover, and keep the mud splatter down,,are usualy fiew and far between, very rare to find those spots at the right altitude....Plenty of grass and vegitition at 10-11,000 feet alt , but the season is suuuuuuuuper short, were talkin July 1- Aug 25 short....Lots of good moisture and cover up there, and with the right strain, would be the PERFECT environment for waves, and waves of minis, blended in to the surounding vegitation all monty style!!...

Well....that's pretty early man, you know.....check into some AF's and those Marocs man.....might suit those spots well with an Aug 25th cut off....

C'monnn....I've seen some plots 10ft from grassy areas ...You know man....it's all thinking....(at least for me)....Can do nothing but sit and think about spots, prep, approaches,etc for days and weeks on end.....(Where down time comes in .....) I've always been interested in the AF's....soon as I can do a seed run and possibly fem, man....some whole new things I'm going to be doin (In some very surprising spots ...) Wanted to have a run done by now/already...didn't work that way...Life has not been good to me recently.....what can ya do

.In fact, that will be a big focus of mine this year....Testing super high altitude plots, strains that will be hearty, and early enough to run in them, moisture levels, frost dates, and the different microclimates I can find and use year after year........After knowing you man,,,,Ive got such a hankerin for some low matenance shit....It would be amazing for me to be able to find a way to run compleetly low to no matenance plots out here in the dry ass desert...

Well.....you look at the aspects of no maintenance.....hole can help...crystals can help.....watering the issue...crystals and hole automatically reduce that right off the bat (ie: prep determining entire season)......You know...I don't think people realize the true value and application of crystals....ie: What if one could merely cut 4 trips a season?......

In my book my friend....4 trips?......the risk one trip alone presents is immeasurable....4 trips less?...for maybe 50 bucks?.........$12 bucks a trip could possibly save ones ass......(Could be any number of things.....could be a time when someone was close and if you hadn't been there that time, they would have not been discovered, etc...Could be a weekend (4) that one can spend time doing any number of things one could/should do? (homework .....) Crystals are gold my friend.........fuckin gold......

No maintenance?........

Forget "no" maintenance.....

Less maintenance is a massive accomplishment right off the bat ...yes? .....

Like troubleshooting and problem solving anything...analysis...you review which can be altered and changed and improved and you re evaluate your approach based on that...hopefully ending up with an approach that gets you the same or greater than before with that much less work , maintenance, exposure, etc...........ie: little bit here, little bit there, etc..all add's up my brother ....

Purchased some rain maps online...says that from June to August some places in round here (10,000+ feet altitude, mountainous areas) get close to 20inches!!..An thats not counting all the snow melt...Compared that on my rain maps, to some places out east that I am guessing one can do low/no maintenance grows...

That's more than I get actually (much I think ....) so you've already moved from full irrigation to possibly none, and now onto mold depending on humidity for purchase price of couple maps ....

Another thing a lot of people overlook around rains and such.......If I get a solid heavy rain Mid/late September?.....holes and crystals?......I'm good to go man..(if temps reasonable...) I don't need another...it's just going to increase humidity......mold issues come into play, etc.....(people sometimes misunderstand rains also....you need a heavy drenching monsoon type to really utilize it.....anything less will give you a foliar...which will help...maybe some absorbtion to a degree, but, especially if temps not in line, your going to get evaporation anyway (and if not heavy, not going to penetrate hole and rehydrate your crystals anyway...) I'm happy with heavy downpour (half hour at least) every 3 weeks....and, could do without anything past mid September, depending on what I am running...(last year those Maroc and PP's around August, but....August a very hot, moist/wet month...so.......and those PP's were fairly large..(yield, dense).....so......I think I bad mouthed those a little too much also....wasn't that bad....if run again, different circumstances?.....(Lot of people liked it btw....finished cured product was nicer than I thought when growing, cutting, clipping also, etc...2-3 week cure?...it turned out fairly nice (not the hardest of the hardcore, but....was nice..."pleasant" comes to mind .....For "average" person?.....they liked it very much....

Yeah man...you start out with anything.........anything that can reduce any amount of effort for you is a bonus.....one trip less.........4 trips less?.......etc........(and end result is anything that can make your job easier can give you more planting time .....)

Another goal of this year is to use strains that i KNOW will finnish in time.....Seems every year i have stuff that could have gone for 2-3 more weeks....So, Im sticking to my Mendocino Madness, my tride and true September girl....Gonna test alot of shit, but my bulk will be the madness.....

Crossing some Northernlights-trainwreck with some wallyduck's webbed indica.....
Should be good....

Gonna run alot of these as testers in probable low maintenance plots...

I do that in a way....cause, you know my friend...I run a lot of different things all the time, but, sometimes keep things and bring them over to future for any number of reasons....BOG SB have kept for a while now, since I got it from him cause I like it....last year was the Maroc and PPP.....(this year might not do them fo0r various reasons but will again, etc)...going to bring that pink/lemon stuff over into future/this next just because it blew me away so much and just have to have more

Trial and error man....season after season....long term..(growing).....even if doing a hit and run one shot...still a long term activity where last or current season in some way, shape or form will affect op 10 years from now ....so....try those Marocs, and, didn't you say something somewhere about a DA BB x NL?....but...that's what I do...run a lot of things, test a lot of things...mix it up....some work, some don't, some want to run in future, some don't...(sometimes not a matter of wanting to or not...more a matter of remembering it, and, it not striking me as much/making as much of an impression......)

 

[Julian]

Hey guys, here's a topic I haven't seen raised here: for those of you in relationships, how do your wives/girlfriends feel about your outdoor adventures? Have any of you mentioned your plans to them?

I'd love to get some feedback on this one.

Well, I'm one "of those", so..........I believe anything and everything should be done to keep everyone around them as far removed from it as possible.....One wants to do something (anything)...one wants to take risk?...That's on you or me....loved ones, those dear not to be dragged into anything they didn't voluntarily want to.....(Going one further...I have more than once turned people down to be involved in things in any way shape or firm because I determined "it's not for them".....(through whatever I was lead to believe that...)

You never want anyone to have knowledge of something that they might be pressed for....and be at risk to be pressed for.....less they know, the better......(not to mention people have to talk....friends, family, etc....I once got wind ex (not at the time of course) and my mother talking about my "activities" .....(general discussions, concerned, etc...)

choppers, high electric bills, and buying hydro equipment on-line. In fact, I've never heard of anybody getting busted by any of those three ways.

Broad statement. Each or any is simply a break in chain which leads to more.....While each separate, all come together upon investigation. A bill may lead to more, and turn up receipts and cc statements.....or vs. versa, etc....In this game....a single "innocent, meaningless" mistake can bring everything down.......Some things deemed unimportant, and may very well be, but, may very well also contribute to downfall...

Whats up J ... and a hardy hello to all the other MOC folks!

S'up brother.

Spring is here at last. Im already prepping spots, about to drop a test batch early. Im at 36N, and its been in the mid 60's around here. Not ideal, but it gets better every day.

Well......have to remember.....temps not cut and dry..(always add or subtract 10 for more accuracy)...They say will be 61........might be actually 64....if a good nice sunny day, can very well feel like 69........so........Mid/high 60's not the concern......concern is night temps...(I go by 2 week of night temps...combined with day........I like to see no less than 60 night.....one high 50's night?....eh, I wait......70's days?.......if nights in line, usually on it about that time......(Same can apply and be reversed..........a foercast of nights at 60 might very well bring you a 55, and, with rain,even less...so.....)

Personally, I think we're in for an early, nice spring ...(not sure what punxatawny Phil says about that...(or has yet????)...but, I think we're in for an early one...lot of heavy winter weather hit a lot of places quite a bit this season....Think we're looking at an early spring....

Things are full on by mid April. Get in early, and keep running late. Speaking of working alone ... I try to space it all out. I know I cant get it all in at once, but who cares? Planting from Apr - Aug it all seems to get done. I suppose we can only take what nature gives us.

I like utilizing full season........same concept as spreading out finishing times......easier to spread the work out, regardless of volume.......I get a little fanatic though about wanting to get things done, (so more can be next ...)

Many thanks to J and all you others for the inspiration. This is a hard life at times, and it just helps to know that Im not the only one.

Unfortunately my friend.....your not the only one....neither am I.....neither is he/they, etc....

We're all the same man......all been there........are there...will be there...etc......

Your welcome man....kind of you to say and glad to be of service....things of use and interest.......May your bottom line be increased 10 fold ....

 

[islandgrow]

Harvest pics Julian harvest pics!!! I wanna see em as bad as I wanna see my own harvest!!

 

[Julian]

Long gone....might take pics of what's left next time I am by one place....(just a little ) I did want to get pics of tree hangs, but maybe next season....(this season...little while......)

What does that mean anyway? Hanging pics? Bagged pics?....lot of pics were not too far before cut...

 

[Julian]

That got me thinking ("little while".....)

Harvest 08'?.......it is, truly, just a "little while" away.......

Couple weeks here, couple days there, month or two here.

And we're there.

Never nearly enough time in life to do everything we want to as is ...

Right around corner and will last for months...(for those who think they want to utilize the entire season ...)

It's here...it's time.......it's ready.........

I have one round somewhere for something and was wondering yesterday if I should just hold onto them and get them out...only 6 weeks from now........(would be slightly larger than I would like for convenience.....but...down the road only would benefit...(fuckin giants.....)....so......yeah, creeping up fast......

6 weeks.

(On average...May 1st more or less, etc..could be 10th...could be 16th.....could be 5th depending on where you are, etc.....)

6 weeks......

Fuck I'm sorry I said it that way

(which to me is "couple" to start with ...6 weeks "couple " weeks......6 months a couple months, etc......)

Harvest only a couple months away....

(Now that I am glad I said and makes me feel much better ...)

 

[GroBoy2000]

good good, spring is indeed here, if anyone would wander, I personally enjoy the famers almanac and would reccommend them, easy to flip pages and look at regions weather, and for me, temp/rain wise, has so far been very accurate

but before this year Ive never looked at them, so if someone else has different opinions on them, feel free to mention

 

[drifter421]

some of that sounds pretty risky, how many close calls have you had where you were worried you might get caught. thats what i'ld worry about planting in town.

 

[tripples]

julian youve mentioned using jiffy pots... have you had good success with these? you just plant the whole thing pot and all in the ground and go? was thinking of buying quite a few of these.. would like to hear your opinion on them..

 

[Julian]

Tremendous success imo.

I think that's page 1.

Can also do "peat pots" in search function, couple threads about them, and, I'm usually in there. Most don't really understand them, or how to use them and they get a bad rap due to it.

They do have new ones though (I didn't know until recently)...same company, not sure if available in US yet, haven't sen them at any of the places I get my cases from. (Jiffy Coco's....same pots, same size, same concept, but coco. From what I know about coco...same approaches may apply just as much, even more.)

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

good good, spring is indeed here, if anyone would wander, I personally enjoy the famers almanac and would reccommend them, easy to flip pages and look at regions weather, and for me, temp/rain wise, has so far been very accurate

but before this year Ive never looked at them, so if someone else has different opinions on them, feel free to mention

Love the Farmers Almanac, have it as home page on my notebook, http://www.almanac.com/

 

[Julian]

See, I don't really use anything unless doing a new area....(which is fairly often sometimes), but, my basic areas I use all the time...of course, we all know fairly well (weather wise)....if over 100 miles away....I usually search out the things I need....even if I think I know, still like to confirm, and, in the process, might come across things here and there that I didn't know...

(Depends...some regions, 100 miles can be night and day...for me....same for about 2-300 miles or so.....give or take...maybe a week or so here and there for frosts, etc.....depends also if talking 300 miles straight due north/south, or just east-west....of course...)

 

[GroBoy2000]

yeah, i also picked up the peat pots, like $2 for 22 at wally, got somethings in them now, looking great, i read somewhere back a question (about the right way to use)and julians response to it, a little top water, a little bottom water, keep em moist, ill let yall know when the roots break through, they are about 3-4 days from popped right now

 

[Julian]

Well, ideally, you submerge (to lip of pot..let drain, then, when done with all, fill bottoms of trays, but, you can do each like every other day or so.....(I do and have done hundreds at a time by hand submerging...not as time consuming as it sounds.....can do one in each hand also.....) but, if can't , don't have time can just fill bottoms of trays also and skip that day (one reason why I prefer it....can get away with that...skipping day here and there if not going to be over there......

Related to that is mention earlier of how I do things, 1k's, extremely low, etc....another reason why I like that (filling bottoms of trays)....1k's really close you do/would get drying issues pretty quick, so, seems to balance it out...(ie: If I just top watered 3" ers?....next day would be crisp (pots) due to heat and fans, etc.......lot of evaporation when running em that close, so....seems to also balance it out and make sure they're okay (won't dry) if you negelct em one day, etc....

Plus for me, and schedules, it really is day by day , or every other day or so (that I have to keep an eye on em, because minute they are ready to go, or I deem that, ready to get em out and replace em...(note, I germ also like that.....at 1 week, germing net ro9und to take it's place so that the minute they are gone, ready to fill spot...but, all depends on what I am doing (might put em in same room in center and others around edges...that's why I prefer those trays that I use (larger, wheels, etc....) I do a lot of moving and rearranging freqquently..so..

 

[Julian]

Was just discussing things in another thread, wanted to add more here for various reasons.........

"Go big or go home"........

Not a phrase I have ever used.......but, an interesting one nevertheless........

How about:
"Bring them in or die"

Because that's what we're talking about.......

Spend too much time on the subject?...........
I fail to see how one can spent "too much" time on a subject when the possible outcome is the end of your life.

Attorneys fees.......loss of home.......loss of assets......loss of family and friends.......prison.

There is only one shot....so.....while I sometimes may take an intolerably firm stance.....

Rightly so.

No time?..........would still send most people's life in a downward spiral that they very well never be able to pull themselves, or their families out of even if receiving no time....

In some ways....I have grown extremely tired of forums/sites/boards...etc......lack of reason.........childish temper tantrums.......behavior I have not seen from anyone but 6yr old girls in grade school......which I think tends to take the focus away from exactly who we are, why we are here, and what we are doing here.

Is there any doubt, in anyones mind, that this is not a fuckin game?

You win?........go buy a fuckin yacht. I know a guy. Have fun.Well done.

You lose?.........

You die.

Because that is the game we are playing.........and that is the win/lose options for many....

I sometimes have used the analogy of bank robbery........

Not applicable? Really?............

You plan, you prepare, you research, you test, you plan some more...........once outside....you pull down that mask.......the outcome of either?....hefty bag or more of US currency or ass deep in US legal system.

There is no turning back.

There is no "failure.

There are no "mistakes"........

Come home or die.

Everytime one runs an op of any size...depending on the environment (legal).......you are making a bet in which your wager is your life....and the lives of your family.

I've said here and there.......not "fun" for me anymore.......

Maybe it's not supposed to be.........

Maybe when one considers it such......a sign they are in over their head.....a participant in something that is far beyond their comprehension.....

Maybe it's something all should make a point of constant reflection about in every stage throughout........

Now.......I am sure there are people who are running things that consider such not applicable..........comfortable med ops.......5 plants.........doesn't apply to them.....

Good for you. Must be nice.

For majority of others? It does.

March 21st.

Got your mask?

Are you ready?.......

Are you sure your ready......



Shortly.......the full force of the United States of America's law enforcement community, with assistance of the United States Army's National Guard will be looking for you.

Their only goal.......to get you.

Read again.

So......

No.

I don't think one can be "too serious"........

I don't consider loss of everything one has including themselves a trivial matter.

For me....for you.....for anyone else.....

Even the little punk ass fucks who'd I gladly put a pistol to their head in a second.......and pull the trigger and laugh.........I'll do everything humanly possible make sure the above didn't happen to the same.........(We can always get to pistol and laughing another time....)

Men. Honor. Code. Respect.

"War".........

This ain't the micro forum.



Now......back to our regularly scheduled comedy show .....



Of course what brought this line of thought on was contemplating ingredients necessary in one to accomplish larger ops..............

"Ferocity".........sense of purpose.......(unwavering......maintaining it.....following through on it.....never giving up......no matter how tired one is....no matter what one has to do.....even something as small as 50-100lbs......for some?

Half million.

4-5 months........200k?.......500k?......

Expect to earn it.....

You make 40k a yr?(before tax)......unloading trucks?.....what do you think the reasonable cost is of 15 years of your salary in a couple months...

The indoor thread which led to this one was all about what is required to successfully execute such an op.

That is what that thread was about.

That is what this thread was, and is about.

That is why I feel the need to offer such input......(even to those I don't like....don't respect....and don't consider worthy of such.....and, no, I am not necessarily in that statement referring to anyone specific....it's just a point.....)

(and maybe though I'd post this because really don't want to get up and go spend the rest of the day transplanting )



Okay, seriously, back to our regularly programmed comedy hour

 

[GroBoy2000]

good write up, it definately created a strong feeling in me

I remember all the time now, there are hundreds of trained people out there, with their sole objective being to bring you in, lets all walk lightly as we may, and remember, not everyone makes it through the season, plan every step every detail

 

[Julian]

I find the term "war" more and more applicable......because, make no mistake my friends.............as we prepare to venture out........

Yes.

Some of us will not be coming home.

Maybe me.

Maybe you.

But it's a guarantee.

Could be anyone reading this.....anyone here......luckily, the chances are it will more likely be someone who's not here

 

[BritishColumbia]

Julian it seems to me the united states is the worst place to grow as far as risk goes but at the same time it's not any easy task for a procecutor to convince a jury that your guilty of cultivation just because you are in the area,even if your caught at the plot their are still many stories that can be told in your defense on why you were their and as money can buy the best lawyers who know every story in the book and are dam good at brain washing a jury,if some one was in a simalair situation i would think they would have at least a 50/50 chance of getting off depending on state and even if your convicted it's not the end of the world,maybe your life stops for a few years but life goes on.I think a "cell" approach would be the most effective,different people for different areas know groups no of the other,put a buffer in between you and each group ect.Not like this would be an easy thing but if you no 4 compitent workers and they have 4 workers each then one could get alot accomplished,im sure you have thought of this many times so i'll stop ranting and wish every body "THE BEST OF LUCK THIS SEASON"

 

[Brad]

well here is some good luck pics...GoodLuck all

 

[Julian]

Julian it seems to me the united states is the worst place to grow

Could be worse..........

Could be in Singapore, eh?

as far as risk goes but at the same time it's not any easy task for a procecutor to convince a jury that your guilty of cultivation just because you are in the area,even if your caught at the plot their are still many stories that can be told in your defense on why you were their and as money can buy the best lawyers who know every story in the book and are dam good at brain washing a jury,if some one was in a simalair situation i would think they would have at least a 50/50 chance of getting off depending on state and even if your convicted it's not the end of the world,maybe your life stops for a few years but life goes on.

Well......yes and no man...ya know?..Lot of angles to that, and, let's be realistic....(kind of my point)...How many here you think really can cover a decent defense...ya know? ...really?..

Not many...and, even those who can?...well, in the real world, it damn near might very well break a lot of people financially, and on top of it, your out until further notice/for the moment.....

Not to mention , as discussed earlier, your registered addresses better be damn clean, because they're going through it before you get there....(if most people aren't running something there, then everything there matches op......not to mention computers, data...and any and everything linking it all together.....

Actually, a good topic to discuss and remind people about all such links....

Can one say they were simply wandering through and decided to rip it off? (or any other similar variations?....) Sure. Absolutely.

Is that going to work for most?....well, depends on exact scenario, but, I can bet that at least half of all wouldn't make it that far and make statements when they should, have incriminating things at registered residence, etc, etc.....

Not all that simple, and, as above....even if you get out of it...your out. Your out (of game), your money gone...your in the system, etc, etc.....

Make no mistake my friend...depending on case, and depending on numbers and specifics.....it's much worse than it seems ...

I envy you Canada guys......I've seen things like 6 months (time)....you know...most can handle 6 months, have enough for family to cover bills and be out in time for next batch .....

Not that nice here......my ops run about a 20yr MM sentence.

I think a "cell" approach would be the most effective,different people for different areas know groups no of the other,put a buffer in between you and each group ect.Not like this would be an easy thing but if you no 4 compitent workers and they have 4 workers each then one could get alot accomplished,im sure you have thought of this many times so i'll stop ranting and wish every body "THE BEST OF LUCK THIS SEASON"

Amen to that.......

I do think there is a lot (endless) things people can do to cover themselves, but, I think also people really don't think as much as they should about it.......for various reasons....sometimes we tend not to dwell on such negative things....rightly so...understandable...can make you a wreck, but, that's what discussions are about....planning.....etc....

I can tell you this....lot of times I am glad to do the hang for simply that reason......being caught with only a knife in your pocket is entirely different from being caught with boxes of hefty bags, and basically a trimming set up ....(and, as above....nutes in vehicles...matching foot prints...camera footage of tending it on previous occasions, etc....(why I prefer no maintenance...)

You know man...overall, what is most fuckin disturbing....is that there is no uniformity, no certainty to it.....ie: You can find cases where they set up cameras and watched the plot for a dozen plants.....and you can find cases where they came in and just pulled everything on a couple thousand and left business cards in stumps.....

You know.....can discuss and analyze all day.....but, better spent on security and evasion......kind of goes back to above about crystals....ie...even if one can get to plots and maintain......why would you want to????? Any and every trip one can cut out of schedule reduces risk 10 fold...

In any case....I agree and join in that wish for success for all......and extend that maybe some will have a year that can truly make a difference and change their lives financially......whatever that may be (an extra 5k...or an extra 500k..........)

 

[BritishColumbia]

Asia is strict,death sentences are common.Here no more then 6 monthes probation and a seven hundred dollar fine and doesn't matter how big and you have to be caught in the act,great chance on getting off if you have a lawyer and i think anybody doing anything any where no matter how big should have a legal fund,personally my experience with commercial growers around here is they have a who gives a fuck attitude as the charges are so liniant.For example in a 50 square mile area every year their are at least 4 10,000 plant busts all in areas where their are planes/helicopters flying around all day and every day,charter planes and helicopters training,lots of recreational flight as well and every time it hits the news paper they always say it was seen buy a pilot and people go through huge lengths to get 10k up the mountain and then down again but they will ignore the obvious everytime,all they got to do is break it up into 10 plots but they do it all in one place thinking its safe mean while police are bragging in the newspaper about how they find plots and in what areas they look lol,thanks for the info fuck heads.I don't know it's just amazing to me that someone would put a 6-8 acre plot under the eyes of many pilots and are these all conected to the same group lol,got to learn from other growers mistakes you greedy mother f&@$ers.