MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Regarding the above was going to upload a photo or 2 what I was talking about...(fenced livestock areas......)........actually funny when you think about it........makes me think about the "you know your a grower when you see a huge pen filled with shit and get excited" .....(although it's all the urine which would bring me initial concern.....not the shit actually....)

Anyway......old options for upload are gone, still haven't completely familiarized myself with site, so, that's that I suppose......but, sure point is understood.....



Notes on CS/STS and feminization:
One is free to seek out specific information on the actual process (plant processes), but,it is indeed the silver which plays the role (ethylene), so, I found CS/STS simple choice of organic vs. chem.....success possible with both, so, chose/would choose organic....(and, as above...STS toxic and also much harder on plant by all accounts)

Answer was simple for me. Some would point to questionable success (with CS) but those whom lacked success would most likely agree it was due to their variation of procedure, so.......procedure very specific...I would expect altering would not produce desired results, so....I have full confidence as treatment, procedure and results are proven.

 

[psilopod]

I've had much success making fem. seeds with gibberelic acid, or however it's spelled. We got ours from No Mercy Supply.

 

[vod]

makes me think about the "you know your a grower when you see a huge pen filled with shit and get excited" .....(although it's all the urine which would bring me initial concern.....not the shit actually....)

I know what you mean Happens to me each time I'm visiting the in-laws. Precious piles of horse shit

CS/STS simple choice of organic vs. chem.....success possible with both, so, chose/would choose organic....(and, as above...STS toxic and also much harder on plant by all accounts)

I seem to have a problem with the definition of "organic" since I don't see any way in which silver ions suspended in water or running a DC through two pieces of silver and distilled water to get them is "organic".

And as to STS being toxic... well the dose makes the poison.
Certainly it's the silver that is toxic and not that particular compound. http://www.silvercouncil.org/html/faq_fr.htm
If working with pure silver nitrate I'd wear protective clothing and use a dygestorium (? dunno in english - basically a vented work space in a lab), but the working solution of STS is as safe as a CS solution (to work with, dunno about drinking it I wouldn't drink either).
Anyway I suspect people saying STS is poison confuse it with silver nitrate.

And as far as being hard on plants... I believe Country Mon when he writes that you don't have to burn the plants to achieve the desired effect. Just gotta use the right strength solution... starting with the one he suggests. I shall let you know how it worked for me when I'm done.

http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/toxsums/pdfs/2856.pdf

I found some interesting quotes btw:

Toxicity of silver occurs mainly in the aqueous phase and depends on the concentration of active, free Ag+ ions. Accordingly, many processes and water characteristics reduce silver toxicity by stopping the formation of free Ag+, binding Ag+, or preventing binding of Ag+ to the reactive surfaces of organisms. The solubility of a silver compound, and the presence of complexing agents (e.g., thiosulfate or chloride), dissolved organic carbon, and competing ions are important. In soil, sewage sludge, and sediments, in which silver sulfide predominates, the toxicity of silver, even at high total concentrations, is very low. The highly soluble silver thiosulfate complex has low toxicity, which can be attributed to the silver complexed by thiosulfate. Silver nitrate is one of the most toxic silver compounds. The toxic potential of silver chloride complexes in seawater is and will be an important issue for investigation.

In a test of the biotic ligand model (BLM), the uptake and toxicity of silver, in the absence or presence of the inorganic ligand, thiosulphate, were assessed for two freshwater green algae, Chlamydomonas reinhardtii and Pseudokirchneriella sub-capitata, using turbidostat continuous cultures. In the initial experiments, run in the absence of thiosulphate, the influent Ag concentration was varied from 0 to 75 nM in steps; for each influent concentration, silver uptake was calculated and the algal growth rate was determined. Silver uptake rates at low Ag concentrations were similar for both algae (e.g., 14-19 nmolm(-2)h(-1), for influent Ag(+) concentrations of approximately 9 nM) but at higher exposures uptake by P. sub-capitata exceeded that of C. reinhardtii. Despite this higher uptake rate, in the absence of thiosulphate P. sub-capitata was not more sensitive to free silver; 50% growth inhibition was reached at influent free Ag(+) concentrations of 15+/-7 and 22+/-13 nM for C. reinhardtii and P. sub-capitata, respectively. In the second series of experiments, the free Ag(+) concentration was held constant ( approximately 9 nM in the influent; 2-3 nM in the effluent) while the concentration of the silver thiosulphate complex, AgS(2)O(3)(-), was increased from 9 to 90 nM in steps. Under such conditions, the BLM would predict that silver uptake and toxicity should remain constant. On the contrary, both silver uptake and silver toxicity increased, indicating that the anionic silver thiosulphate complex enters the algal cells via a membrane-bound sulphate transporter and contributes to uptake and toxicity. However, for both algae there were indications that silver assimilated in this manner was somewhat less toxic to the algal cell than silver that entered via cation transport only.

 

[Julian]

I've had much success making fem. seeds with gibberelic acid, or however it's spelled. We got ours from No Mercy Supply.

See, the one thing I like about Gibberellic Acid/GA3 is have found numerous sources with extremely detailed and specific measurements on how to reach certain ppm's, etc...(and fairly cheap and simple also)

If you do a thread, let me know and will mark and read every word.

Also, would have great interest if different methods used and the comparisons across the board.....

Frankly, wouldn't be a problem to do myself, but, would involve quite a few details and separation and cataloging, which are things I typically dislike....(and then further cataloging to grow results out and note, etc......)

Now a particularly difficult task though...(3 groups, GA3/CS/STS....then results used in separate ops, etc.....)......would require brushing up on all specifics from each one, but, if adding growing product out...would make entire process fairly long and cataloged....

A possibility though...(I have some other things which I have noted which have not been anywhere....but "proving" theories would be an issue and require more skill and expertise than I possess........("proving" being documenting plants reactions to certain external conditions/stimuli, measuring such, etc, etc...)

I know what you mean Happens to me each time I'm visiting the in-laws. Precious piles of horse shit

Yeah....would really like to grab some and test to see what is currently....(would test myself and if any uncertainties then would send somewhere.....) A ready made and prepped site.....That interest isn't going anywhere, anywhere soon, I assure you ....something which could cut a lot of work time out.....depending on specifics.....I guess main concern is what thousands of gallons of urine would do to the pH before it being too hot N.....etc...

I seem to have a problem with the definition of "organic" since I don't see any way in which silver ions suspended in water or running a DC through two pieces of silver and distilled water to get them is "organic".

And as to STS being toxic... well the dose makes the poison.
Certainly it's the silver that is toxic and not that particular compound. http://www.silvercouncil.org/html/faq_fr.htm
If working with pure silver nitrate I'd wear protective clothing and use a dygestorium (? dunno in english - basically a vented work space in a lab), but the working solution of STS is as safe as a CS solution (to work with, dunno about drinking it I wouldn't drink either).
Anyway I suspect people saying STS is poison confuse it with silver nitrate.

Well, and that's my point above....pure silver, water, and electricity (all of which existed on earth before man in nature.), and human consumption on top of it,so....just my opinion and view.....could be a hole in any one of those...but, just how I see it...(Not to mention CS, have been able to make 5 gallon batches at will for at least 6 months....so....)

I think above would be of great interest and maybe we should touch bases here and there for future.....ie: Thread with several different methods and results, and details......Think would be of interest to meant, and, as above, my only limitations on running all 3 is the space that I have to work with at the time, so....I have no problem trying all 3, or more for that matter, and noting everything....(but my notes would be loose unless I have someone who wants to do it for me at the time which I feel can accurately note everything that should be......)

I have read most of the things readily found on STS...(including the above).

We'll see.......could be of great interest.....(several people running several methods and sharing notes from each and all, but, again.....true measure of success is not known until running results, so....would be fairly extended..(at least for me since I'd be doing it out...during season, and, unless AF's, wouldn't complete until next season....

 

[vod]

Yeah, it would be nice to do such an experiment.
1. Establish optimal procedures for each
2. Compare a. success rate b. cost c. ease of application d. viability of produced stock

To do "properly" would need a dedicated facility.
But still of use and interesting if done as a thread.
Different people at different locations with different stock, but hopefully with more than one method each. I have to see. If I can get GA3 and STS as easily as I hope, then I will brew some CS as well. Why not try all? I don't have the numbers to perform the definitive experiment, but a couple plants each would give a feel for sure. Could be fun.
Although I'm not sure if I need so much fem stock

Yeah....would really like to grab some and test to see what is currently....(would test myself and if any uncertainties then would send somewhere.....)

What and how do you test?

 

[Julian]

Yeah, it would be nice to do such an experiment.
1. Establish optimal procedures for each
2. Compare a. success rate b. cost c. ease of application d. viability of produced stock

Well, I haven't seen a significant cost for any method (all fairly cheap actually...might be able to do all 3 for under $100 depending on how much one was making...)

See, my concern , and, I would assume concern of any others would be quality of stock....(stability/instability, etc)....but, once again, all methods have produced stable stock for many, so, think goes back to application....and a variance causing a problem.....

To do "properly" would need a dedicated facility.

Well, not necessarily, (or maybe so , might misunderstand).....could do all 3 same location, as long as appropriate control over cross contamination during applications and treatments, etc.....

One could go as small as a dozen or 2 plants (and, if AF's, even less space required....)

But still of use and interesting if done as a thread.

Well, of course, some covered more, some covered less, and, regarding anyone doing all themselves, well, if I have missed something like that, someone please refer it to me, etc.....ie: Something that has been covered, but not at a certain level (all 3, comparison, notes, etc....)

Would be of great interest to me....I don't know about anyone else but I would find such completely fascinating....

Lot of people have to choose a single method for any number or reasons, and, in the end, my concern and I think the same for others would be stability and quality.......that's what it's all about , right? ....

Different people at different locations with different stock, but hopefully with more than one method each. I have to see. If I can get GA3 and STS as easily as I hope, then I will brew some CS as well. Why not try all? I don't have the numbers to perform the definitive experiment, but a couple plants each would give a feel for sure. Could be fun.
Although I'm not sure if I need so much fem stock

Both very simple to acquire.... Gibberellic Acid/GA3, and I have seen many sources for STS ingredients, but escape me this second (could google a source I am sure in 30 seconds)....

Don't forget basic of quality and stable stock: Can never have "too much" on hand.....

Too much to use today?.....well, can next year, year after, year after, and, who knows...at some point might wish to do slightly higher numbers, etc

Can never have too much stock

What and how do you test?

Can purchase cheaper test kits many places, pH simple......I've never really had anything tested or felt a need to, but, location(s) above, I would definitely test first. If kit left me with any questions or issues, would forward it to somewhere with a more specific analysis...(Agricultural, etc)....Would depend though on specifics of location....ie: If no animals for a certain period, weather, rain, pH, etc.....Could be too fresh and too "hot", pH could be out of whack, etc, etc....but struck me as attractive for many reasons all combined...soil just a bonus..

 

[Robin_of_Loxxy]

Julian when you refer to "dry mix" in this thread are you talking about Fox Farms Marine Cuisine, Peace of Mind All Purpose, Rainbow Mix or what?

 

[headiez247]

Wish we could see any sort of pictures. You sound very organized.

 

[GroBoy2000]

Hey guys,

how's everyones winter? warm around here, too warm to take full use of the cold air of winter anyway

I have a mixed bag of genetics, waiting to cross, some thai, some white rhinos, a deisel or 2, some aurora indica, bubblelicious, and 2 female mazar i shariffs....about 20 females in all. Unfortunately I can't flower yet, only 1 silver coin in my town, wtf? so waiting to find some silver, tying down 2 foot thais, thinking of making a clone mom from the rhino....ahh...options...I imagine I'll hit 2 plants with the CS once I get it made up. Was thinking a thai branch, and a rhino branch, and crossing those mostly into the deisel and mazar, any opinions? never crossed a thing myself, but it sounds fun, and I need some specialty stock,


Well I've missed some of the recent talk, been away from these internets, saw some trailer park boys though, thank you whoever brought that one out here, hilarious, fucking awesome

 

[vod]

I got a bit carried away in that experiment fantasy (shitloads of plants and clones in different systems/out running parallel )

anyway... I think it would be interesting to get a feel for all of them and see if there is any significant difference. a couple clones for each method. maybe two mothers (turning fathers ). hand pollination of a couple plants (branches on outdoor plants) for each.
some work, but fem stock for future use and a bit of experimenting fun on the upside.
I have seeds germinating right now, so I can be ready with pollen for august easily. in two months have clones that can be sprayed... so I should even be able to plant some fem minis
if I can juggle my micro cab that is.

Don't forget basic of quality and stable stock: Can never have "too much" on hand.....

Too much to use today?.....well, can next year, year after, year after, and, who knows...at some point might wish to do slightly higher numbers, etc

Can never have too much stock

u never can

Can purchase cheaper test kits many places, pH simple......I've never really had anything tested or felt a need to, but, location(s) above, I would definitely test first. If kit left me with any questions or issues, would forward it to somewhere with a more specific analysis...(Agricultural, etc)....Would depend though on specifics of location....ie: If no animals for a certain period, weather, rain, pH, etc.....Could be too fresh and too "hot", pH could be out of whack, etc, etc....but struck me as attractive for many reasons all combined...soil just a bonus..

I thought that you test it for nutrient content etc. yourself
a more specific analysis...(Agricultural, etc).... --> legit agri does it for a reason. but you won't get a feeding/prep plan from them for our crop I'm afraid... for fibre hemp maybe
I'm sure you know what you are doing.


I wish we could talk in mind maps in forum

 

[Wolff]

Hey GroBoy I hear ya it can take alot of time and effort to find good spots. Walking works well. Or jogging. I really get a better feel for some places on foot. Sometimes an opening into a wooded area or clearing in the distance may catch my eye whereas if I had been driving I quite possibly would have missed it. Plus I'm already on foot and can go check it out. Or get close enough to maybe come back later or write it off if something catches my eye that warrants such.

This method is more applicable to urban/suburban but can also work well in the country if a general area of interest has already been found. Gotta get in there and explore. Alot of places look good from the road...

Jogging or dog walking gives one an excuse to be just about anywhere that may otherwise seem a strange place to be. I've never been too keen on parking a car on the side of the road and walking onto property out in the country. Just seems to me it would draw the wrong kind of attention. Most farmers and countryfolk are pretty good about keeping an eye out on their land and a car sitting on their property or a neighbors may attract the wrong kind of attention.

On/off road motorcycles are cool. Drive offroad and cover it with a camo net. I would think having somebody drop you off is the next best(or the best) route in exploring land but there again could lie a problem if your doing everything solo.

 

[Julian]

I have a mixed bag of genetics, waiting to cross, some thai, some white rhinos, a deisel or 2, some aurora indica, bubblelicious, and 2 female mazar i shariffs....about 20 females in all. Unfortunately I can't flower yet, only 1 silver coin in my town, wtf? so waiting to find some silver, tying down 2 foot thais, thinking of making a clone mom from the rhino....ahh...options...I imagine I'll hit 2 plants with the CS once I get it made up. Was thinking a thai branch, and a rhino branch, and crossing those mostly into the deisel and mazar, any opinions? never crossed a thing myself, but it sounds fun, and I need some specialty stock,

EBay...Online.....wire also (.999)...No problem....

Sounds interesting...have a bunch of things in mind myself (Have to, no way can purchase enough stock to meet possible requirements....)

im wondering, do you guys also just drive....and drive...until you find that nice quiet spot, and that little path over the hill where you can hide your ride, and, after watching it various time of week, month, day, call that a good spot? I have but one friend with land, whom I'm wondering how to approach with the right attitude, (better guy than last year hands down) and aside from the few urban mini spots, im just stuck on deciding what makes a solid plot, of course water and sun and shit, but that's not the solid I mean, how do you hand pick your pieces? I can never seem to find those nice quiet places within a 2 hour drive....always a neighbor here or a builder there, or no access here, maybe this cant be shared in an open forum, your guys discretion, but aside from the occasional 'perfect' piece of land, I have difficult time enjoying my search, (maybe it's just me, maybe i havent drove enough to find that road that is only driven once or twice a day....maybe I need to spend more time/gas looking)

Every single person and spot and situation, so, I would think no one specific answer, except for maybe stop "looking" and let them present themselves to you...(again a fine line......maybe looking to hard, etc.....)

I personally just go about my day and travels always aware of what may, or may not be a good spot,etc....(a spot inaccessible may very well give me ideas about another one, etc.....)

All variables with every spot apparent all the time, so, you go from there....(access and safety priority)

Well I've missed some of the recent talk, been away from these internets, saw some trailer park boys though, thank you whoever brought that one out here, hilarious, fucking awesome,

Trailer Park Boys Youtube page is gone......all episodes, movies, seasons, complete gone, so....(don't know why or have seen an explanation....)

I thought pretty funny ...

anyways, I still have no where to take and drop dirt, and that alone would make me feel ecstatic, I hope you all are doing well, and dig deep into that i ching, it's an amazing book worth every page it's written on

It is quite a book ("book" an understatement.....)

I don't really have a spot either, although many things on the table....so...is what it is...(and I might have to produce some stock quick without a ready spot also, so.......)

edit: oh, $3m in 10 weeks....fuuuuuuuccckkkkk, seed or clone?

1/2-1 acre fem AF's spaced tight. Something I'd like to do. (will do, plan on doing, etc)

I got a bit carried away in that experiment fantasy (shitloads of plants and clones in different systems/out running parallel )

Not sure exact reference but all such would require is thought and order. (CS, 3 different ways?) Doesn't have to be large space, just watched over, mapped, and labeled.

I have some interesting things under discussion right now about multiple things (strains, stock) going on same place.....we'll see )

I thought that you test it for nutrient content etc. yourself
a more specific analysis...(Agricultural, etc).... --> legit agri does it for a reason. but you won't get a feeding/prep plan from them for our crop I'm afraid...

I didn't assume on getting any specific feeding or prepping info due to a target crop as much as being aware of content, but, again, might not have to....would only if was anything questionable.....(Way back when (25yrs ago) I believe the basis for mix's was tomato and green peppers, and I believe many utilized fairly deficient free.....20-25yrs ago didn't have anything close to tailored mix's for green if I recall correctly....

I like making my own mix's anyway and think getting better at it all the time, so....I'd rather develop it myself....(which changes year by year, so, always looking forward to next one, which I would further alter if doing same spots following seasons, etc....)

Hey GroBoy I hear ya it can take alot of time and effort to find good spots. Walking works well. Or jogging. I really get a better feel for some places on foot. Sometimes an opening into a wooded area or clearing in the distance may catch my eye whereas if I had been driving I quite possibly would have missed it. Plus I'm already on foot and can go check it out. Or get close enough to maybe come back later or write it off if something catches my eye that warrants such.

This method is more applicable to urban/suburban but can also work well in the country if a general area of interest has already been found. Gotta get in there and explore. Alot of places look good from the road...

Jogging or dog walking gives one an excuse to be just about anywhere that may otherwise seem a strange place to be. I've never been too keen on parking a car on the side of the road and walking onto property out in the country. Just seems to me it would draw the wrong kind of attention. Most farmers and countryfolk are pretty good about keeping an eye out on their land and a car sitting on their property or a neighbors may attract the wrong kind of attention.

On/off road motorcycles are cool. Drive offroad and cover it with a camo net. I would think having somebody drop you off is the next best(or the best) route in exploring land but there again could lie a problem if your doing everything solo.

See, I was always a little concerned with pick ups and drop off's for a lot of spots....who knows who's going to come around that corned and when....

Passed up a lot of chance for a lot of things,but, didn't feel comfortable....

Have done it certain ways for harvest at urban in some cases, but, again, to make me feel comfortable......

Lot of great spots if can do it.......if spot allows it, any traffic, etc............

I suppose that's another one of those funny comparisons....not concerned about 1/2 acre near a metro, but, concerned with a pick up/drop off with minimal plants in rural....... (of course, again so many variables.....)





In process of a lot of discussions, and, turning to specifics lately, so.......eventually some interesting things to share.......(large volume, multiple strains, all labeled, and AF fem projects, etc......also running a lot of things which haven'/t been able to due to longer finish....but, for larger.....going to run quite a bit of many things, make sure to mark all, etc...maybe a row of each, etc, to keep all things straight and separate...

 

[Wolff]

See, I was always a little concerned with pick ups and drop off's for a lot of spots....who knows who's going to come around that corned and when....

Passed up a lot of chance for a lot of things,but, didn't feel comfortable....

Have done it certain ways for harvest at urban in some cases, but, again, to make me feel comfortable......

Lot of great spots if can do it.......if spot allows it, any traffic, etc............

I suppose that's another one of those funny comparisons....not concerned about 1/2 acre near a metro, but, concerned with a pick up/drop off with minimal plants in rural....... (of course, again so many variables.....)





In process of a lot of discussions, and, turning to specifics lately, so.......eventually some interesting things to share.......(large volume, multiple strains, all labeled, and AF fem projects, etc......also running a lot of things which haven'/t been able to due to longer finish....but, for larger.....going to run quite a bit of many things, make sure to mark all, etc...maybe a row of each, etc, to keep all things straight and separate...

It can be a bit concerning lol and it isn't exactly comfortable when your rushing supplies from the road to the bush but I look at it as a calculated risk. Sometimes dumping at night then coming back early in the morning. If you have a general feel for the place and its very rural(ie: backwoods dirt road) then generally 5 minutes or so isn't too big of a risk but I hear ya man it isn't ideal.

I use those heavy duty contractor trashbags that we all love so much. They can hold 100-150 pounds of whatever no prob and you know I can bang out 5-10 trips give or take in 5 minutes or so. From car to bush. Again not ideal but it makes for one hell of an adrenaline dump.

Alot of variables come into play like you said. Always X factor aswell.

I'm going to have to keep a close eye on these AF strains and your success with the fem beans. It is extremely intriguing. I've noticed alot of AF fems popping up on the market. The price is still kind of high considering the smaller return on the AF but it's promising that more and more R&D is going into them.

I think we should have some sort of friendly competition this year with our outdoor grows what do you guys think? Biggest plant award? best patch award? stealthiest spot award? lol IDK if this interests anybody but I thought it might be kind of fun.

 

[john cutter]

I'm going to have to keep a close eye on these AF strains and your success with the fem beans. It is extremely intriguing. I've noticed alot of AF fems popping up on the market. The price is still kind of high considering the smaller return on the AF but it's promising that more and more R&D is going into them.

I think we should have some sort of friendly competition this year with our outdoor grows what do you guys think? Biggest plant award? best patch award? stealthiest spot award? lol IDK if this interests anybody but I thought it might be kind of fun.

Yeah, I think AF fems are the way I am heading also. Going to do a fem seed only run this season to build experience and get more comfortable outdoors. Then 2010 will be a little bigger with a auto fem seed project running too. Then hopefully combined with some indoor seed runs I can have enough stock to do a strictly AF fem run in 2011. Im completely on board with an acre of minis.

It's funny because I plan on being done after 2010, BUT at the same time Im making plans for 3-5 years from now. This will be my first OD run so well see if Im still hooked afterwards.

I'd be down for some sort of friendly competition, only putting out 200, so I cant win with numbers but I wouldnt mind competing for something else, and I'd like to get some feedback about my stuff this year.

 

[Hindu Killer]

Af minis are not going to yield very well........its going to take some #'s ..and the #'s are our demise.....with the law that is. J said it..first concern security and access! Got popped at one of my sites this past season. Didnt get busted..but lost the location...of which Id harvested for 3 straight yrs out of.....bummer.

JC your talking to the right people...share more of the plan...steps etc...

 

[Mr. Stinky]

i was on the same track with the fem auto's. i am using GA. no silver so nothing, just plant hormones that already exist...and go away when u stop applying.

i say i "was" on track, because for some reason unknown to me, all 10 of my dieselryders have died. all other strains are growing very well at near 100%, but there are no DR's to fem now... maybe next season ill be able to do some auto fem's. i think there is more potential for sucess in the semi-autos like guerilla gold. much larger and healthier plants, and they actually grow the GG#3 is growing very well, and i will be making some fems as well as regular seed stock.

 

[Wolff]

The thing thats so cool about the true AF'ing strains is that you can put them out the first week of May and Harvest the first week of July. Basically getting harvest done before everybody looking for plants really gets into gear. So I think you can get away with more blatant planting plus their profile is so small I'm not even sure what they would look like from the air. I had some early Gold that I harvested mid August it was really good smoke. I think GG is a cross or decendant of Early Gold. Some femmed Early Gold Or GG would be sweet.

 

[Mr. Stinky]

if i get enuf seed in this run, i will just take the leftover fem's out and put em between rows of corn every 3 feet in mid-late june. just seed in the ground. thats how GREENS does it (in his swamp tubs) then come back late july for a shot of bloom ferts, then 3rd week to end of august to harvest whats there. maybe a stop or 2 inbetween to check on things. whatever. as long as we get enuf rain, i dont see a problem. probably lose half of them, but harvest would be a sinch, just nab the main cola and on to the next plant. they wouldnt grow lower buds, just the top main cola like sog due to all the corn close. i doubt they could outgrow the corn, but would get plenty of light.

harvested and drying before september sounds very good. no mold, no rippers, no choppers. then u can work at ur own pace till october when the big ones are done...

 

[john cutter]

yep, a field of lavender and af's 200x200, alternating rows. The lavender will grow to camo the AF's and cover up any smell. Then after the AF's are pulled out I'll load up the lavender and haul it to the farmers market. I already sell heirloom tomatoes, carrots, and potatoes there and am jealous of the people making money off their dried/fresh lavender. Its a win win.

 

[Julian]

I use those heavy duty contractor trashbags that we all love so much. They can hold 100-150 pounds of whatever no prob and you know I can bang out 5-10 trips give or take in 5 minutes or so. From car to bush. Again not ideal but it makes for one hell of an adrenaline dump.

I love those fuckin things (can actually easy overpack due their strength only to find out several too heavy )

I'm going to have to keep a close eye on these AF strains and your success with the fem beans. It is extremely intriguing. I've noticed alot of AF fems popping up on the market. The price is still kind of high considering the smaller return on the AF but it's promising that more and more R&D is going into them.

Have seen some here and there (fem) and, while usually not one to bitch about seed cost (due to potential and what they represent), AF's I think slightly unreasonable, especially for m/f stock...and estimated bulk cost, same with fems, etc....(If cheaper, I'd rather buy......so...that's what I base it all on....and frankly a factor which I think many ignore...)

Maybe they are still figuring out target market and numbers.....

I've seen a lot of things which peak my interest but in the end, sadly, probably going to be a matter of what is available when I want them.......thinking about what approach (get what I need and settle with what is available, or wait it out to get what I want....)

Have come across some lesser known sources here and there in the past which had selections not seen before.....but, source not known, so.....remember seeing Amnesia Haze AF, etc...not the usual, and seeing new things mentioned every day....WW AF's somewhere...etc.....(plus try to get accompanying feedback about things...people who have run them, etc....last thing I want is a large amount of work and product and effort and risk for something half assed.....would make me very angry.....extremely....I wouldn't let that go.....

I think procedure for AF's the key.......as earlier.....

I think we should have some sort of friendly competition this year with our outdoor grows what do you guys think? Biggest plant award? best patch award? stealthiest spot award? lol IDK if this interests anybody but I thought it might be kind of fun.

I said something somewhere a while back....could be interesting (or could have), etc.....lot of things would have too many variables....(biggest plant...yield, height, width?, etc, etc....) Think it originally was largest single patch..(again though, plants, sq. ft, etc....)

Im completely on board with an acre of minis.

This will be my first OD run so well see if Im still hooked afterwards.

I would think it wise to decide "if hooked" and get a a first run done before deciding to do 40,000.....

Growing 10 will show you if your "hooked".

Af minis are not going to yield very well........its going to take some #'s ..and the #'s are our demise.....with the law that is.

Well, mini's better depending on what your running, but, numbers for me are usually just out of curiosity and starting points.....something to keep in mind, etc.....large scale mini's not something to take lightly (regarding numbers)....

Does have it's benefits and advantages regarding security.....(actual exposure, time of exposure, method of exposure, etc.....)

Got popped at one of my sites this past season. Didnt get busted..but lost the location...of which Id harvested for 3 straight yrs out of.....bummer.

I know man.....what hurts me most when happens......lost quite a few last several years myself..........really mourning my favorite/biggest spot....(no bust, partnership issues, etc.....4,000 acres of absolutely nothing beyond the 4....was gold......)

Urban spot(s) disappointed me big time......did that location about 5 years and pulled a lot of money and some of the nicest product from there...

But, you know man...losing a spot?....well, as long as one safe, etc...is what it is.........great spots hard to find to begin with, so.......kills me to lose em also (last year lost 2 new ones....one had huge potential......they committed an acre to me this year if everything worked well........(acre out of couple hundred....was going to be for the AF run........actually a shame because AF run would have made it through fine....so...shame we even bothered with a "test" and just didn't hit it full force.......fuckin shame....

i say i "was" on track, because for some reason unknown to me, all 10 of my dieselryders have died.

What reasons due you suspect caused it?.......has to be limited options as to what occurs...(I wouldn't be able to rest until knew exactly why....)

What kind of diet?, when and how treated?, what ages?, etc....

The thing thats so cool about the true AF'ing strains is that you can put them out the first week of May and Harvest the first week of July. Basically getting harvest done before everybody looking for plants really gets into gear. So I think you can get away with more blatant planting plus their profile is so small I'm not even sure what they would look like from the air.

But there's many more angles than that.....(value of something nice in July/August, even in some cases Early Sept)...

Angles (beneficial...) to it are endless.....downfall the numbers.....

i dont see a problem. probably lose half of them, but harvest would be a sinch

no mold

Losing half of anything is a problem, unacceptable, and completely preventable.

Mold has been top of the list all throughout planning for me personally. I see it as a very serious potential problem.

yep, a field of lavender and af's 200x200, alternating rows. The lavender will grow to camo the AF's and cover up any smell.

Then after the AF's are pulled out I'll load up the lavender and haul it to the farmers market.

Your actually assuming your going to have time for anything else with 10,000-20,000 to cut, trim and dry and pack?

Good luck.