MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

There are interesting ways in which such a thing can evolve. Many options...

Always interesting.....and always many options ........(actually one of the most interesting parts for me.......ie: The ways thing develop, come together....where opportunities arise from......you truly never know initially.....many of my greatest things have come out of no where......truly.....and, sure they will again......ie: I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the things which I am working the hardest on fall through and are replaced by the things which I least suspect will come through ....(and the things I least suspect having much greater unseen potential............)

How it works man......life is a surprise sometimes ......

(And I wish I could give specific examples....would be quite interesting but we're done with those for now ....sorry you guys....donuts are on me today I suppose ... They know who I'm talking to.....)

But the first one will be test run and maybe training.

Well, you should get the prelim out of the way...(training and prepping them at every chance, little by little......I've already started on 2 that I have.......and really unsure where they will end up being.....but, now's the time........we can get to specifics later.....specifics not the stage for them yet.....important is that they can get up to that point.......

Had someone tell me not too recently I "work a little fast" once season starts.......(which was of course replied to with "Dude......wtf you think we were talking about all this time"........)so........an angle I might try to work on and address in future......when start point hits......I believe in full force, etc.........

I can say also my "understanding" is pretty much done for now....meaning someone misses one time......they're out......blow it once?...they're out...period, and, going to start having backup people ready......

Above is unacceptable........my patience with the FaF is about done.....

(FaF="Fucking Around Factor".......ie: "Fucking off Factor"...slang....meaning "dicking around".....or...if still not good enough, meaning people who always seem to be busy with something else....have a problem doing what they have to........ie: I'll be there to pick you up in 45 minutes doesn't mean I'll be there in 45 minutes, then come in and sit and wait for you to finish coffee/beer........then wait to get ready....then wait to take shower....then more coffee/another beer....then finally get on the road 1.5hrs later... (or even at all, because then talk about "too late"......)

FaF......no patience for it......no room for it in my life.....and definitely no room for it in ops.

(Can also screen people for their FaF factor.......actually very easy.......)

My budget and the time I can spend out of home are limited to max four trips of maybe 5 weeks total.

Well......you have to also keep in mind complete budget......and how that all fits together........(including supplies, anything else related in your absence....running short and resupply.....etc, etc.....)

Having been through before......heavy focus on initial...getting them in......( 2 weeks.......maybe bit more....start, get them in, all while prepping people, etc).....then a mid year check....then, when you have an idea what's coming in, things can be readjusted......ie: If you budget and time well, and, end season looking like a great year, can always add time on back end with payoff present, etc......which I have done sometimes.....end of season dictates my entire schedule for upcoming schedule......

Example above with 20/7/8 trimming.....saw a payoff present...could switch things up, devote some time to it, etc.......could reschedule other things, etc.....ie: Money was there......no problem.....(I wouldn't have devoted that much time and energy if money wasn't there.....I have lot of other things in life which are important and need attention, etc......)

But that I can only commit if I have a partner that will make it worthwhile (or maybe just motivate me to go full force). Otherwise I'll just do a holiday hit and run. A week or two for scouting and planting in summer and a week or two round sep/oct for the rest of the work. Use the loads of seeds I have and hope for good luck.

Well, you said 5 weeks above......with some training.....(good and specific)....and someone doing minimal tasks and assistance...I think could pull iot off with 6....(2-3 getting them ready and in.....2 mid season check.....2 end season, etc......) But depends how trained and how reliable they are.......(especially if your talking m/f stock........that'/s the issue really...and, I know...talking about bubble/hash, but, don't forget....m/f will still dictate your hash yield also....

Could also try doing a fem CS run out...(I had planned on it, trained someone, looked fine but then didn't think they would give them the attention it required....and don't want to be fucking with potential stock issues....ie: Waiting till they are run to see didn't come out solid, scrambling last minute to recover and replant, etc.....stuff like that......)

I do think though with a solid, serious partner a lot could be accomplished......even in that scenario, my concern would be with them getting the idea since they spent time on it while you were away it was "theirs"........(you only came in here and there, "they did all the work"....which reads they pulled a couple males, helped, top fed once, etc...which is absurd, etc......)

Well... location will dictate. Spot dictates the method, right?
The sooner I can confirm a general location, the sooner I can scout it and decide how to tackle the problem.

I'm in same position currently.......understand well. (No idea where final will be, or even if will be multiple locations......and unsure right now where, and even unsure of crew......

Not too concerned though about sorting it out.......not my first time ...will get done.......real target is in hardcore season.........last one, still trying to get that rancid taste out of my mouth .....

It could be very sweet with a reliable partner. We could do much more than me alone flying over for a couple of days.
But we have no rush. Time will bring opportunity. I'm sure of it.

The added safety aspect appeals to me quite a lot. Limited exposure

Well.........added safety is yours.......which is one less thing to worry about, but their safety still exists and something that has to be covered.....

Have to protect all.

I don't have a precise plan how to dispose of the product, but it has enough of a shelf life to wait for an opportunity to sell itself quickly (and safely)

Well, if demand exists....then battle half done.....if an outlet, etc......

I personally live in a world of "okay"....meaning can talk all day long, but, in the end, produce it and it's gone........Will they take this much?....sure.......This much money?...yeah, absolutely....this much volume?...well, depending on quality, we'll see...

Comes down to producing it...(showing...)...unless on the table all speculation....

$50k is shitloads of money in my world.

Not an unreasonable goal......a rather small one in "whole scheme of things".....

Double that up. Add on for loss, etc. Work backwards what required low end to achieve.

They are all pretty straight guys (and I don't want to do it with the ones that are not), but I think I can develop a taste for it in at least one of them

Once they realize the risk, cost and reward, as well as have confidence in my ability to handle the op (and willingness to submit to my order ) they will decide.

The stakes are high.

One of them has a business and they are investing all they earn in product development and growth. They have a lot of debt, but the business itself is going well from what I understand. The guy is employing 12 people and lives at his parents place.

It's not like 50k wouldn't help him a lot. And if it wasn't for a stupid possession (of 0.5g) case he had and has won last year, he would be in for sure and be my first choice anyway. Guy is brilliant and solid (and has muscle that I lack ) and would bring in a suitable property, but he's scared of illegal stuff now. Of the horrible penalty if caught. In summer he didn't want to hear anything about it. Now he looks forward to my Christmas gift... I hope he'll chill out some time in the future and want to work with me. But I wouldn't blame him if he didn't want to be/feel like a criminal.

Well... if he can't get that fear and guilt out of his head, he's not suitable anyway. He should believe he's doing justice and fighting the system

Well, that might exclude. I have an old friend who would really like to do something, and, because of similar issue to above, telling him no. Absolutely not. He can't risk it, can't afford it, and under no circumstances can be anywhere near one. (At least in U.S., somewhere else safer?....sure, no problem....US?, No. Absolutely not.)

Don't forget.........if your op, your job to protect all. A very serious responsibility.

Maybe other safer roles......(help dig/drill, help plant, etc.....end of season maybe some trimming....but, you don't want them to have that exposure if existing cases......half gram might make a difference, but, still......another strike for similar charge not good depending on location and laws, etc.....

You know the "willingness to submit to order" is actually a huge issue....and, as earlier...many stories....seems to be for many........

Sounds funny, but, in the end......lot of issues for many sometimes about "too many cooks in kitchen"......and then personality of one.....etc........

Lot of people want to be "reasonable" and pc and use the "we"......which doesn't work a lot of the time either....as "we" means different things to different people (and of course all have different definitions of work ethic and such......)

I've steered away recently from the "we"......it's mine.

I'm planning it, prepping it, paying for it, directing it, supervising it, etc....they're helping. (Had one mentioned above where basically went to the "you want to run it"?........of course they could not.

The above basically addressing knowledge of each and every phase and what is required and when, which of course dictates the entire op in itself, so....

"We" was the source of my worst year ever, so....for me?...no......and, for larger things if they come together?....No...I'm running it, everyone does what I say or walk. (And I am willing to take full responsibility for any issues if such is done...which is how it should be.........right?.....no one to blame but ones self......which I actually accept for last season......but with some hesitation and unhappiness.......)

Everyone wants to run things.........until they see the amount of work and dedication required and have to accept responsibility for issues.

Anyway.........

It's good to hear that man. If I can only keep the right approach through execution faze...
It would be a trip, that for sure.
And I think this is what my guys fear the most actually. That they would get greedy and fall for the dark side.
Or maybe not

Requires a lot of initial work..(with them......confidence and trust in each other, etc)..........and, even repeated throughout......addressed several times over......

In the end man....only you will know if it can work.....if it can work with them....how things will work with them, etc.......and we make decision based upon that which we believe.......etc...Might work, might not....might be half and half......but, as above....as long as travel covered....as long as everyone safe, and as long as something to show for it worthwhile........well......could be worse ........and a good experience.

An experience which I believe would benefit one into the future beyond what one might realize today as far as ops, so......

Safety number one issue....everything else falls in line afterwards ....

(If even marginal success...could lay the way to something larger in future..........if even 2-3 years down the road........)

It's nice at this table Smoking spliffs and discussing matters we can't discuss with anyone else

Ah the benefits of a private club ...

Isn't it?. (yeah, at least until the after work/happy hour crowd clears out ....some people......)

I've gotta count my seed......and not anxious to do so , but, need some sort of baseline about starting supplies (what I have on hand, what I need more of)...if going to get extra stock (or if I even need to.....).....hoping for about 5-6,000....(3,000 fem would be fine...)

Assuming a cross contaminated mess....but everything were very nice, so......maybe some very pleasant surprises when all finally grown out........Wanted to keep somethings pure/stable/solid.....but,what can you do....(Maybe I'll call it "we" stock )

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[vod]

I think my fundamental need is a location where I can process the product and that would serve as a base for the op. Somewhere I can stay, have easy access to grow spots, store supplies, trim, dry and run the bubble.
I can do it all alone and in such scenario the owner doesn't have to be there at all. His only exposure is two weeks of plants drying and a growing pile of hash on his property.
The transport and storage I would handle myself.
I thought of a hash crop because I think it would cut the workload and speed things up at harvest and drastically reduce volume, which in turn would make transport and storage easy. It should also make selling easier since product more uniform and desirable.

You know the "willingness to submit to order" is actually a huge issue...

Certainly. I've put a smiley there but am aware of how big an issue it is.
In fact this is what most likely limits me to doing the first alone. I will have to prove my abilities before I can inspire sufficient trust and authority. (I have just one outdoor under my belt and am probably about 20 years younger than you )

Well, if demand exists....then battle half done.....if an outlet, etc......

I'm sure demand is there. Demand for nice hash. People love hash and are starved for it. I had hash only twice (!) before moving to Germany.
Unfortunately my connections there are not nearly as good as here. Would have to be developed to accommodate any volume.

In the end man....only you will know if it can work.....if it can work with them....how things will work with them, etc.......and we make decision based upon that which we believe.......etc...Might work, might not....might be half and half......but, as above....as long as travel covered....as long as everyone safe, and as long as something to show for it worthwhile........well......could be worse ........and a good experience.

An experience which I believe would benefit one into the future beyond what one might realize today as far as ops, so......

Safety number one issue....everything else falls in line afterwards ....

(If even marginal success...could lay the way to something larger in future..........if even 2-3 years down the road........)

I totally agree.

you don't want them to have that exposure if existing cases......half gram might make a difference, but, still......another strike for similar charge not good depending on location and laws, etc.....

He did beat the case
Or the prosecution fucked it up (they didn't show up with the evidence nor did the cops show up to testify)
He was spoken not guilty
So I don't know if they keep record and if they can use it against him

The whole story is actually quite funny
From start to the happy end.
But it was a lot of stress and just annoying shit for him.

Could also try doing a fem CS run out...

Benefit of fem stock is obvious, so it looks like I have to explore this subject fairly quickly. Might even have easy access to needed chems... Reverse at home pollinate out.

Maybe I'll call it "we" stock

Good luck with that. Might be still very nice despite crosscontamination mess

Do you have any advice on hashmaking? I know you have a specialist and have probably tried out many approaches.

Thank you for your input Julian. I'm sure it will be useful.


On a side note, the guy I was talking about has significant resemblance with TPB Julian

 

[2stoge]

throw-away soldiers

throw-away soldiers

Well.........added safety is yours.......which is one less thing to worry about, but their safety still exists and something that has to be covered.....

Have to protect all.

I feel that this needs to be emphasized because it seems all too often we are mainly concerned about our own personal safety without adequately considering the safety of the whole crew. Julian, much respect for bringing this up here and earlier in thread.

 

[Julian]

I get into my moods, as we all do.....certain times and events dictate what that mood is, as with all also......lately a contemplative one.....(as can be seen from my sig....watched recently and "moved" me....plus, watched with "new eyes".....since hadn't seen in quite a while.....dialogue is actually fuckin genius ...)

Going to add several things below...on different topics......the result of different events and interactions lately....

I feel that this needs to be emphasized because it seems all too often we are mainly concerned about our own personal safety without adequately considering the safety of the whole crew. Julian, much respect for bringing this up here and earlier in thread.

Thank you. I obviously feel/felt the same.

Listen......for me?.....and I am sure the same for many..(majority..almost all)....the people I utilize are important to me...

They are important in my life.......they are friends....family......or , if not....then connected to me through those.... people whom I want to help...

Part of my rant today was I have had several ops/spots busted in last several years, and no one went down.

(Another part of that was telling them to go fuck themselves when questioning my management and ops........again going back to one bad season.....brought me lot of hits to credibility among some.....)

I fail (and always have) to see how sacrificing people to protect your own ass equates with "safety and security"....

I fail to see how people one works with going down will bring a good nights sleep...

Lot of angles............I might have some...another might have others...but, in the end, everyone being safe seems to me what brings a good nights sleep......

Loyalty also.

Trust also.

The contents of this thread alone should signify my personal approach.

I don't sit planning ops to "maybe" bring them in....

I don't put my time and effort (and blood) into something which "might" work.

I have found myself in discussions lately in general with non growers who seem to have the above view....(might work....might not work.....what if....etc......)

(And, as above....while a "joke"?.......yeah, it's funny, but I was completely serious about: "Growers shouldn't let growers do business with non growers".......)

Note: The "smarter" they think they are?.....the less you should have to do with them...

Anyway......

To me?.........it's about "us"......"all".......

Your placing your safety in their hands the same as they are in yours.......

Since when is "betrayal" safe? (throwing someone to the wolves in your place)

If everyone can't be protected as much as possible, then I'm not doing it.

(Note: In times of "close calls", I have offered to take responsibility.....I didn't want to ......but, that's the way it might have worked.......)

I have no interest in being "free" if to have that I must live as someone who betrayed those he swore to protect.........whom were in that position due to me...(plus in some cases would have been much easier for me to handle then them .....so .......)

Nah...can be engineered to have all safe as possible......as throughout.....

Can engineered that worse case scenario...anyone still has some degree of plausible deniability.....

I don't have too many people on my shit list.........(past partners, helpers, etc), and, even then...last thing I would wish upon them would be such....)

In the end?.....

Our main risk always lies in bringing them down.........and even then plausible deniability still possible depending on circumstances....

anyway......my position, so....I take it very seriously......lose far more sleep than I should over it, but, is what it is....

Would be a shame to have someone curse me from the joint just because I couldn't give it a couple hours/days more thought...

I think my fundamental need is a location where I can process the product and that would serve as a base for the op. Somewhere I can stay, have easy access to grow spots, store supplies, trim, dry and run the bubble.

I can do it all alone and in such scenario the owner doesn't have to be there at all. His only exposure is two weeks of plants drying and a growing pile of hash on his property.

The transport and storage I would handle myself.
I thought of a hash crop because I think it would cut the workload and speed things up at harvest and drastically reduce volume, which in turn would make transport and storage easy. It should also make selling easier since product more uniform and desirable.

I know lot of ops strictly for hash......and, as earlier...have talked to partners before about such....but, in the end?...I mean, I don't see how anything near can be pulled from it ($, as compared to nice crop left as is, etc)

Now, don't forget all the different possibilities one might have (as far as exposure and risk reduction).....

You spoke earlier of time and travel possible........

Go with AF run?........go with mini run?.....even slightly later (not quite mini, but slightly larger)......

Travel time and schedule spoke of very close to the whole op...

Spot dictates the method...approach, but that also includes circumstances (which in my mind come with each specific location anyway...)

Either of the above and your talking quick hit and run...minimal exposure...(for anyone else and for property as well)....

(As I am fuckin kicking myself I didn't get an AF fem run done.....but,still can if I get started on it soon I think.....might still come out just right....)

Planning, prep and training could be first season......the full force second, or any other variations, etc......

Don't forget man (talking location, people, exposure, security),........not bound to trees........

All of the above could also vary the above listed issues and aspects...

(Also aspect of doing fem run for mini's, etc.......)

As always, you run through initial targets, then work your way backwards, and in doing so (backwards), you might come across ideas for things which didn't when you were working them forward ... (trimming, drying, supplies, etc)....

Could get in there earlier with supplies and do early prep...initial visit, etc......full force hit and run prep.......no storage time....etc.....

Don't forget your yield though.....(if hash desired)........you could also vary that initially....(ie:...I keep largest and nicest and scrap the rest, etc....which also tends to command the most money, so...)....

Just saying.....lot of angles always........lot of approaches and solutions......(risk/security/exposure always dictating quite a bit....at least for me........losses upset me ..Not why I did it.....not what I was after....etc........)

You keep working your way backwards and might come up with different approaches that an offshoot of the above, etc....

Certainly. I've put a smiley there but am aware of how big an issue it is.
In fact this is what most likely limits me to doing the first alone. I will have to prove my abilities before I can inspire sufficient trust and authority. (I have just one outdoor under my belt and am probably about 20 years younger than you

I'm going to throw a good story somewhere in here......at least I think, so.....

Well.......I don't think 20 years......we wouldn't be having this discussion if you were .....

Hmmm.....okay, story should go here (bear with me)
One of the people I am taking on and training..........to my pleasant surprise , has 4 outdoor seasons under his belt.....

Upon further questioning, all 4 were unsuccessful for the most part....

But can you imagine how high I hold that?...........4 seasons?

As above, and as anyone with 1 knows...........the knowledge and experience one can get from even a minimal failed season?......

You can't buy that shit.........you can't read that shit.......

And I love him more and more because fully acknowledges lack of success......year by year more and more aware of his mistakes.....throughout process......

Note: He's been jacked (ripped).....once or more....he's had watering issues.....he tried containers/above ground and failed due to moisture issues.......he's lost many plants due to various weather and maintenance issues.....in ground and containers....but still pulled something each season..(and readily acknowledges cut too soon.....didn't dry right...didn't cure right, etc......)

Frankly?....I think promise he holds is fuckin astounding....(if only due to him going another season after each failure.....)

I think he said 1 year he pulled 1/2 p......was nice, and, without the theft would have pulled 2 p's or so.....

So.......

What is the difference between him and anyone with 4 seasons of success?...

Fuck...if you ask me......very little in the end......

Reason I put that in was addressing seasons under belt and age, etc.........

We all do what we do.......we we feel we can........

Seasons?....(well, you said next a test run and training and then not till the next, which would be your third.....)

2 seasons.....embarking on 3rd?......that's some credibility right there.......so.....

Sizes?.......numbers?......effort?......

You know.....was addressed earlier how some view numbers in certain ways......(say 100 and watch people start jumping up and down how "can't be done"............which in itself is funny....100......could have 400 in an areas the size of a 2 car garage........so, so much for "impossible" ......)

The real issue with any of that is how much effort and commitment is one ready to take on?....

I'll have a shot of 2-3000 germing at the same time in several months.....(to prove a point of course ....)

Numbers?...credibility?.....ability?.......well....that's for any one individual to decide,and, barring the appropriate location, budget, and commitment?.......I fail to see any limitations for anyone......

The bottom line....is: Can you?....

Only you know....only you feel....only you know your locations and resources and budgets and such.......but, then, as touched on above......

Can you pull it off safely?

I've done a lot of things....lot of places...with a lot of people........

There isn't much I don't consider "possible"

What's the space?, what's the budget?, how much are you willing to put into it of yourself?..

The guy I mentioned above told me how he has read several books ....which I have varying opinions on since they obviously didn't tell him what he really needed to know ..

Like any business......any industry:
Your vision....your ability.....your potential....everything is what determines the level of commitment you are able to secure from others....support, etc..

I'm sure demand is there. Demand for nice hash. People love hash and are starved for it. I had hash only twice (!) before moving to Germany.
Unfortunately my connections there are not nearly as good as here. Would have to be developed to accommodate any volume.

What about your hash ....

(Devils advocate man....you know how it works .....)

Benefit of fem stock is obvious, so it looks like I have to explore this subject fairly quickly. Might even have easy access to needed chems... Reverse at home pollinate out.

I had plans late season to do an outdoor quick mini run.......

No reason why not possible to do a CS run outdoors....treatment the same.....elements might affect treatments, but, simple to address.....I still might in the near future.....maybe even get my AF fem plans done early in season and a heavy hit later in season from stock, etc......)

Just remember spacing issues when doing smaller things.......ie: If tight, not going to be able to get in there and sex.......the more that is there, the tighter they are spaced?....nah, it's a problem (been there, done that ...)

Good luck with that. Might be still very nice despite cross contamination mess

Absolutely will. Very nice.....just a little annoyed and frustrated.....but, yeah, positive will be a bunch of exceptional things......joke was more an obnoxious "slap", etc......but, sure........will be lots of nice things.....

(One of plots I lost late season........I let them go little longer...lot of seed from those pink-lemon things......very disappointed...would have been...quite a bit.....quite a bit....(wouldn't be surprised if 50,000 from those....), and, of course...now it's gone..(well........not completely...some in the "we" stock...but, that was pure, so......but again, maybe not, as mentioned earlier the variance I noted on them..(all were astounding.....just varied....)

Do you have any advice on hashmaking? I know you have a specialist and have probably tried out many approaches.

All hash crop I would go Moroccan style dry sift.......(and then run remnants for oil......)

I've been doing volume through bags for quite a while...trial and error........get some sacrifice in quality I am sure.....but, eh, works...(and still haven't got my washing machines ......I do it a little different way than most, but, is what it is...(use multiple larger containers...maybe 30-40 gallons, then separate bags and drain in different sequence...doing all at once....clean when clogged, etc.....couple people working same time.......works fairly well....but, again, not the way I would like to (would love to just do frozen trim, etc)...doesn't work that way...too much shit going on, too mush shit everywhere, too many different trimming styles and organization issues......

I turned it over to him when we did runs, and, next time I saw him he showed me a nice cigarette pack size piece.....I figured, fuck man...anyone who loves to make and play with it should be able to ....(I don't enjoy the process......too much work........way too much....too hard on my back........(we do...fuck...10-20-30hrs at a time straight through, so,.....)

On a side note, the guy I was talking about has significant resemblance with TPB Julian

I heard that about me before I ever watched an episode and find that (above) very amusing .....(God I love that show...movie out October I hear........nice harvest present for me...will run up and catch it a couple times I am sure...won't wait for it to work it's way down here ....)

Just tell him lay off the run when working .....





On a different note.......just realized will be 3rd season in thread if I don't kill it......maybe time to get down to the real dirt ....(or kill off and start a new segment of stuff......)

 

[Hindu Killer]

oH......NO YOU DONT BROTHER.....to much valuable info in these lines...to growrilla's like us.

 

[psilopod]

I've been browsing over this thread for some time now and have learned a lifetime worth of information thanks to it. I have been noticing many common threads throughout my life on many different fronts. I'm pretty sure that I'm noticing these things only because I am truly focusing more honest attention on myself in an effort to improve. I have found one website in particular that has been helping me in leaps and bounds and it seemed to fit perfectly to my whole state of being as of present. The site is www.mindtools.com ; it's geared towards high level business types, so I figured it would be put to good use among the many heads that frequent this thread. Hopefully it will be of some use to some of you.

 

[Julian]

HK......Thanks.....my sincerity can't be imagined when I say how privileged I am to be of service to anyone......I do consider it such....being able to offer anything of use to one....I consider it an honor to do so.....and being able to do so....

Sil....Thanks....and, the above in return....I'll take a look at site myself at some point..(I never go straight any any link on here...), and, pursing such things....an such an interest in ones self?.....only good can come of it.....

Will get back to above.....heading out shortly.......hopefully be back by Christmas Eve.....and, if not due to scheduling or something much worse?, well......a Happy Holidays to all............and health and happiness to your families......and prosperity to the same the coming year.........

 

[SevenSeeds]

Hi Julian; best OD thread right here....to BB's question I always pictured a couple teams with trimming machines, and those auto-ones....I person with expierence on trimming is very fast, depending how much leafs you want to take off; I would always be cautious with a odor prefention in place if possible/needed, I would always use large dehumidifiers if needed drying fast; and vacum seal for safe non smelling package....the network would be the closest of people expiecaily with large ammounts presumably; I would only trust fam or close friends or other medical growers, It's always good just with a couple people...always possible. Look at all of Julians work! boom! peace..\\\


- 7 seeds

 

[m4n]

damn 3 days to read this whole thread.....Sober i might add....unemployment sucks when you got a family to feed and bill to pay. Cheers Julian!I am looking forward to next summer thanks to you.

 

[psilopod]

Today was an amazing day. I(we) made the most progress I've made in a long time. Things are starting to flow again. It's not quite what it was but the flow is definitely picking up. We recovered a couple thousand dollars worth of auto ak seedstock that had been absconded for a time; that was so crucial. They were personal stash/breed as well. Funny enough they were being sold through a major seed bank on the net and I didn't even know it. My old partner sold thousands of our stock; it's awesome to know that a little of my love has made it out there. I also recovered a grand or two of various equipment, but all the major stuff is gone, deusche has them setup at another house. I'm basically writing that stuff off. I was happy just to get some of my shit back. I've got all the stuff that I needed to get the ball moving on various projects so I'm once again making progress. The seed stock was the most important thing though I can now rock out and make seed stock for the spring. I'm gonna make a shit ton of feminized auto ak's. That gives me a tingley feeling just thinking about it : )

On top of all of this, a really solid crew is growing before my eyes. We have huge potential and we're only getting bigger/better. Right now there's 3 of us that are at the foundation of it, though there are other affiliated individuals that I would consider one of us that just aren't down on these projects.

The three of us are fairly intelligent individuals in our own ways and we bring very different strengths to the table. My hope is to go out to California and visit w/ one of my good friends out there and expand. He is very well networked with the Family out there, so I believe some amazing things can come out of a merger of sorts.

It's kind of odd, but my biggest concern at this point is filtering individuals whom I surround myself with, and becoming proficient at it. By this, I don't mean cutting away people whom I already socialize with, but rather filtering through new people whom I encounter one way or another. I'm trying to concentrate on speech/vocabulary, psychology, behavior, and all that good stuff. I've accumulated quite a few good texts on the subjects at this point but the fact of the matter is that I have too much information to go over at the speed that I presently read at, so I'm switching some of my focus towards speed reading and other research techniques.

Hope all is well with everyone. Today(yesterday now) was an amazing day.

 

[Winston_Smith]

I read the entire thread... took weeks... Thank you so much for the info. Life changing in scope and range. Wow. Applicable to every aspect of life. Am taking to heart. All the best to you.
Winston Smith - thought criminal

 

[2stoge]

IGT's Dont talk to the Police Thread

IGT's Dont talk to the Police Thread

On a note about crew safety is to inform everyone what is expected of them if they are ever approached by police. Mainly, to shut the fuck up, dont talk to them about anything, (not the weather, the time, baseball game, nothing). I know that we all already know not to talk to the police but I think that even the basics needs to be covered, and these videos really help drive this point home. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=90829&page=1&pp=15 ItsGrowTime's "Dont talk to the Police -video by law professor.

Everybody stay down and stay safe.

 

[Julian]

Back around......hope all are well.........and a Merry Christmas to all........

Lot of things....etc.....other stuff, but, pretty tired....so, the above to all.......

May it find you in good spirits and health.....

 

[SevenSeeds]

Welcome back my friend, about your comment.....it's good to help; knowledge that is spread is always very very appricaited wherever you are, it goes farther than this..and effects us all very much.....on a second note outdoor season is approaching here in about 4 months ! I'm currently making feminized autoflowering seeds Julian, also I will be working with clones a personal breed I'm also creating as we speak (clones just rooted sending them to flower indoors now) hope your adventures are great, I'll be reading this entire thread over (must be 2nd ttime) my memory isn't that great, I need a refresh you know! I hope we can talk more from now till outdoor, you have the best ideas haha anyways peace bro keep it rolling

- 7 Seeds

 

[BubsNugs]

Happy holidaze everyone!!!

Hope its a safe,healthy n profitable year for all the growers out there.

Peace

 

[john cutter]

nt

 

[Mr. Stinky]

Julian,

Just wanted to let you know THIS is the thread that made me register. I run in a completely straight circle in real life these days and didnt have access to the ideas in this thread. I have been gardening myself out of a mountain of debt for two years following an emergency surgery and inadequate insurance. It's not so much that I didn't believe this stuff was possible, I just didnt know how to get there, or where to start.

same here. this thread is why i registered. ive read the whole thing, then re-read it by filtering julians posts... i live a very normal and straight life. noone in my family or circle of friends smokes, nor do many of them even drink or smoke cigs. i dont smoke the stuff either. this year is going to be quite different... thanks julian...

 

[Julian]

So a new year is upon us......as is a new season approaching (or 2 for some....)

My best wishes to all for both.......may it hold (and deliver) everything desired.....

I'm a little behind in that no local spots signed and sealed........but less concerned, as focus lies elsewhere.........on a lot of different things.....either one (or more as is common) will come up....or not.....we'll see.......)

Little behind on newer student mentioned earlier....(several failed outdoor seasons), but, going to do something to catch up....

For anyone lacking or finding themselves wanting?.......well.......how much do you want it?.........

Coming into this new year......I have several things on my mind and plate.....and a little more ferocity behind it than has been recently.....(sure coming off bad season contributed significantly to that......)

Had some meetings about ops with people who don't grow....left a bad taste in my mouth.....which eventually turned to amusement....but can be vaguely shared and be of some value to some.....

Actually, the above created many thoughts and feelings in me completely the opposite of my mindset......

In the end: We do it while others think about doing it.

So.........congratulations to all who do it.

A very small group.....

Who do it well?

An even smaller group...

Who take pride?

No chance of that event being sold out, is there ....

(The overview of the abovementioned was I met with several who have never grown, don't know how, and have "wanted to" for quite a while.....presented several samples, a commitment to get anything, anywhere, any size (acres), anytime going with 14 days notice, and to deliver....and it was determined by these non growers, and worse yet, non doers.....that I was full of shit ....)

Frankly....I really needed such an experience.......

That was quite a while ago now......

They're still where they were.......thinking about growing...(as I suspect they will remain for years to come........)

That specific event and example wasn't a primary interest....something that I was 'counting on".....so, aside from being disrespected and insulted.....really meant very little.......

In any case......of interest...

Checked out a large ranch somewhere.....basics were several wells about 600-800' which fed into storage tanks around the 30,000 gallon mark, then pumped out to about 25 miles of hose to consumption points...

Although in the end, I very well may find myself getting married to a certain girl whose family has significant holdings/acreage in a farming community.......(Exceptional individual also.....would not have to bend my arm in the least ....)

Which brings us to moments of doubt......
I'm sure there is no man on earth who has not had such....anywhere, anytime.......and most of the time, brought on by external influences..........brought on by those whom such might very well be appropriate.......

But then leads right back to focus.......ferocity.....sense of purpose.....

And, in the end.........can't all of this be reduced to such.....

(Or we could sit and listen to non growers, non do'ers .....no...I'm not letting that one die anytime soon ......one of the funniest things I have seen in a while........)

Lot of things on plate.........think several of interest and value (to others).......and I'm just getting started...

For now?.........a Happy New Year to all........may this find you in good spirits.....and it bring happiness and prosperity to all......

May the lessons and experience of the previous year serve one well.......

 

[vod]

Thanks Julian.

Best wishes to all for the comming year.

I'm down with the flu since yesterday, but it won't stop me from having fun tonight.

I talked with my friend the other day and he said: let's do it.
I'm very pleased and hope for a succesful test&training op.
I also realized that my travel/time at op estimates were way optimistic... but he wants to help with planting and do the sexing so we should be good...

Have fun guys

 

[Julian]

A reminder........

Lot of ground and issues covered.....and a reminder where this started....why it started......the point......

Of course brings us back to more people growing.....more people growing more......and new growers beginning.....(supposedly, all the objective......)

I could backtrack and explain my intentions, but, it's already been done,so....

I could repeat many other things...(but I prefer not to......)

A reminder though: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should...

I'm glad of interest........I'm glad of use.......I'm glad something positive drawn from my time....but, to me?.......to me, the most worthy is discussions about one self...

The truth of the matter as touched on earlier is those newer will soon see what is required, and, those making plans will most likely alter them...(and see such is all part of it......as almost all will from now until final execution.....)

Just because one can.....(or so one thinks), doesn't mean they should...

I believe targets work themselves out.......I believe numbers and spots work themselves out....

I myself change my numbers all the time in planning, in early season, mid season, late season....and could work any number of ways for people......ie: Plan on 50, have room and time and energy for 450.....plan on 5,000......and find out have room and space and time and energy to only execute 1,000.....

It's not about the numbers...

Numbers always work themselves out.......

I was having a conversation with someone planning something larger.....

Which would be fine except hadn't done something smaller...

Numbers were the least important in that conversation....

The most (I feel) was ones ability....ones knowledge....

How can one possibly begin to understand what is involved and what is the process of a larger if they have not done anything remotely close....

Numbers?.......again....pointless....unimportant.....

What about planning?, procedure(s)?, budgeting?, labor? (actual), what about scheduling?, what about training? (necessary on larger...helpers, employees, trimmers.....).......and on and on we go.....

Read about it and think have a better idea?......

I was reading helicopter flight manuals recently......want to let me pilot a plane with you and family in it?...

I truly believe who and what one is to be the best starting point for this game......and everything to follow is based upon that...

What you are, who you are, what you know, etc.......

All of course is merely my opinion, which is little more than my opinion.....so...

4 Senses of Self.........

But, in the end........all not necessary.....because the job itself will show one the above....whether they like it or not.....and even whether they choose to acknowledge or not...

My greatest moment in last 2 seasons:
Caked in mud, covered in blood in a t-shirt, laughing as it was 40 degrees and pouring rain so hard you couldn't see....

That's my idea of "fun"....