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Marijuana, LSD and Ecstasy Safer than Tobacco, Alcohol
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I think he has the right idea about not trying to pretend that illegal drugs are necessarily any worse than currently legal drugs. Pot, acid, and E are less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol. However, I think he has the order wrong. LSD and E can cause many more long term mental health issues than pot can. I think he put marijuana more dangerous than those because it is typically smoked and therefore more physically harmful. Still, a fair comparison would consider vaporized or injested majijuana, which, in my view, is far safer for you than LSD or MDMA.
Also, he has heroin and cocaine as the most dangerous. I'd say meth is worse than cocaine.
From my experience, this is the order I would use from most dangerous to least recreationally used drugs:
Heroin
Meth
Crack
Cocaine
K
Tobacco
MDA
Alcohol
MDMA
LSA
LSD
Salvia Divinorum
Psylocibin Mushrooms
Marijuana
Caffeine
I put tobacco worse than alcohol because it is easier to get addicted to and it causes more deaths each year. Still, it's easier to OD on alcohol.
Also, he has heroin and cocaine as the most dangerous. I'd say meth is worse than cocaine.
From my experience, this is the order I would use from most dangerous to least recreationally used drugs:
Heroin
Meth
Crack
Cocaine
K
Tobacco
MDA
Alcohol
MDMA
LSA
LSD
Salvia Divinorum
Psylocibin Mushrooms
Marijuana
Caffeine
I put tobacco worse than alcohol because it is easier to get addicted to and it causes more deaths each year. Still, it's easier to OD on alcohol.
ain't that the truth, the other party would of done exactly the same thing only earlier
only people make a change by doing something. get yer grow on !!
Not the end of the story i'm afraid, this is done in a lab remember, so chances are it's gonna be a lot purer than any stuff no matter how good you think it is, that you got on the streets, it's the contaminants that make people crazy, Therefore making your statement seem a little naive, I guess ill end the story now...
E's pretty harmless, it turns the recepters off in the brain that tell your body your over heating, so when you go raving you should drink water to replace the fluids you've lost whilst raving your tits off .doesn't apply when just hanging out.
In the 80's the GOVERNMENT suggested you drink lots of water, unfortunatly their advise wasn't very clear and a girl named lea betts drowned after drinking 17ltr in 1 hour and died.It was her 18 Birthday!!!
Another example of GOVERNMENT not getting their facts straight.
Most E nowadays is cut with ketamine and all sorts of other shit, Can get em for a £1, quality product lol
Ramblings: Well if it ain't a "kill the messenger when he brings us bad news" affair, I'll be damned.
Now a fella like Prime Minister Brown probably have a glass of scotch & soda, or a rum & coke, with a cigar, after a ego gratifying hard day's work with Parliament. Implying that he & his "colleagues" are the worst sort of drug addicts & harming society is a bit too much.
Since we won't wait for them to die off, we have got to win them over. How do you do that? How did champaygne get associated with success? Like winning the superbowl or marraige or etc.....How did cigars get associated with success? I think there has to be a company that can add an ingredient, change the name, bribe some politicians, and market it as a cool, hip success product and keep it out of the hands of kids.
It was inconceivable even a year ago than a Black man would become president in America. Now it is not only so, but the rest of the world is envious. I mean, a peace prize because you change Bush's cowboy approach in foreign policy, c'mon.
A statement of the facts is insufficient to convince human beings to do the right thing. How the fu*&&67ck can I get my own island so i can get out of the clutches of irrational people?
Now a fella like Prime Minister Brown probably have a glass of scotch & soda, or a rum & coke, with a cigar, after a ego gratifying hard day's work with Parliament. Implying that he & his "colleagues" are the worst sort of drug addicts & harming society is a bit too much.
Since we won't wait for them to die off, we have got to win them over. How do you do that? How did champaygne get associated with success? Like winning the superbowl or marraige or etc.....How did cigars get associated with success? I think there has to be a company that can add an ingredient, change the name, bribe some politicians, and market it as a cool, hip success product and keep it out of the hands of kids.
It was inconceivable even a year ago than a Black man would become president in America. Now it is not only so, but the rest of the world is envious. I mean, a peace prize because you change Bush's cowboy approach in foreign policy, c'mon.
A statement of the facts is insufficient to convince human beings to do the right thing. How the fu*&&67ck can I get my own island so i can get out of the clutches of irrational people?
The Drama Continues....
Another Drug Adviser Quits!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/01/drug-adviser-les-king-quits
Looks like more want to, but they want reassurances they can speak their minds if they stay.
I hope this thing blows up so big in the UK gov'ts face that it jumps the pond so we can have the same debate here in the USA.
It's about time ALL OF AMERICA recognizes that marijuana is safer & less addictive than alcohol and tobacco, and should be legalized just like those recreational drugs.
Another Drug Adviser Quits!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/01/drug-adviser-les-king-quits
Looks like more want to, but they want reassurances they can speak their minds if they stay.
I hope this thing blows up so big in the UK gov'ts face that it jumps the pond so we can have the same debate here in the USA.
It's about time ALL OF AMERICA recognizes that marijuana is safer & less addictive than alcohol and tobacco, and should be legalized just like those recreational drugs.
dddownlowww
Member
Ryan Grim has some great reading about the demise of LSD in his book, This Is Your Country On Drugs. There are excerpts online.
Whenever you enlist the aid of science to justify a political position, you expose yourself when you go contrary to the science.
It is a slippery slope. This entire idea of the Prohibitionists that "today's marijuana is not your father's marijuana" is a statement built upon a hill of lies. In the UK, this has been the "skunk is too strong and causes schizophrenia" propaganda - but it's just the same argument with a different catchphrase.
The government in the UK is now paying the price. The correct spin on this is to emphasize that there is no scientific basis whatsoever for the reversal in policy and the "Skunk is too strong" argument is bollocks. It's all pure politics. Exposing the government's policy as an objective lie has the additional virtue of being true.
Pure politics without an underlying scientific rationale is always a difficult policy to justify in a democracy. In the end, you inevitably surrender your policy to independent experts.
Short strokes: payback's a bitch.
It is a slippery slope. This entire idea of the Prohibitionists that "today's marijuana is not your father's marijuana" is a statement built upon a hill of lies. In the UK, this has been the "skunk is too strong and causes schizophrenia" propaganda - but it's just the same argument with a different catchphrase.
The government in the UK is now paying the price. The correct spin on this is to emphasize that there is no scientific basis whatsoever for the reversal in policy and the "Skunk is too strong" argument is bollocks. It's all pure politics. Exposing the government's policy as an objective lie has the additional virtue of being true.
Pure politics without an underlying scientific rationale is always a difficult policy to justify in a democracy. In the end, you inevitably surrender your policy to independent experts.
Short strokes: payback's a bitch.
SMC
Member
LSD an Cannabis seem pretty safe to me but MDMA??!! No way, it's a wonderful drug but it fries brains, sometimes pretty hard. I know from experience.
It's pretty simple, everything that gives hangover is bad, you don't get one unless you damaged your brain in some way. Most of these damages are temporary, some aren't.
It's pretty simple, everything that gives hangover is bad, you don't get one unless you damaged your brain in some way. Most of these damages are temporary, some aren't.
wheelchair
Member
All you people saying that the government wont listen to the scientists but then you try to say that hes wrong, mdma, lsd more dangerouse than cannabis your just like the uk government not listening to the smart people who actually did an unbiased test!
MDMA, if you can get the proper stuff in crystal form is about as safe a recreational drug you can get if used with just a modicom of sense. I reckon if the whole worlds population was given a dose once a week along with a full body massage I reckon you`d reduce violence worldwide by79-90%.
Unfortunately I`ve found two things lately that have disappointed me greatly though. 1, I hear one of the main active ingredients required to make the stuff has been made illegal. 2. The main active ingredient is actually made by pulping one of the trees only found in the rain forests, and apparently it takes a lot of trees to make a barrel of the magic potion.
I dont know if both the above points are in fact the same two ingredients, I assume so. I think I read that the process of making the stuff has been banned, it messes areas of rain forest up and pollutes rivers as the camps need to be on rivers for part of the pulping process.
Its my favourite drug of choice for partying, preferably in combination with a strong canna butter cookie, I`m allergic to all alcohol. I haven`t been able to source proper MDMA (the proper stuff, you only need a piece the size of a grain of rice to fly) for quite a while.
You wouldn`t tend to take MDMA or lsd frequently, as opposed to weed, hence the difference in danger.
I also believe that part of his findings for the relevant danger of a drug is the social damage, ie crime levels due to taking the drugs. . . smack and crack=burgalry, muggings etc. Alcohol=violence, busy hospital casualty departments. On weed or MDMA you`re more likely to share you`re belongings than take someone elses, lol.
I dont think any government will give the green light for MDMA though, or weed for that matter as they both give the user the opposite feelings from, and utter distaste for, the capatilist way of thinking. . . . and that wouldn`t do would it?
Why ban lsd and mushrooms? Fucking killjoys, no other reason I can see.
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Unfortunately I`ve found two things lately that have disappointed me greatly though. 1, I hear one of the main active ingredients required to make the stuff has been made illegal. 2. The main active ingredient is actually made by pulping one of the trees only found in the rain forests, and apparently it takes a lot of trees to make a barrel of the magic potion.
I dont know if both the above points are in fact the same two ingredients, I assume so. I think I read that the process of making the stuff has been banned, it messes areas of rain forest up and pollutes rivers as the camps need to be on rivers for part of the pulping process.
Its my favourite drug of choice for partying, preferably in combination with a strong canna butter cookie, I`m allergic to all alcohol. I haven`t been able to source proper MDMA (the proper stuff, you only need a piece the size of a grain of rice to fly) for quite a while.
You wouldn`t tend to take MDMA or lsd frequently, as opposed to weed, hence the difference in danger.
I also believe that part of his findings for the relevant danger of a drug is the social damage, ie crime levels due to taking the drugs. . . smack and crack=burgalry, muggings etc. Alcohol=violence, busy hospital casualty departments. On weed or MDMA you`re more likely to share you`re belongings than take someone elses, lol.
I dont think any government will give the green light for MDMA though, or weed for that matter as they both give the user the opposite feelings from, and utter distaste for, the capatilist way of thinking. . . . and that wouldn`t do would it?
Why ban lsd and mushrooms? Fucking killjoys, no other reason I can see.
T
The tests done on MDMA show that short term memory loss is the main finding with regular, weekly, usage. However research has shown that this is not a lasting affect and if the user stops using it returns to full again.
Frying the brain?? Well yes it keeps you awake so you tend to miss sleep, and then not sleep too well the following night, and then there`s the midweek come down if you`ve really made a weekend of it, but that is largely due to sleep deprivation. . . . try missing a night or two of sleep and see if you`re a bit grumpy or emotions easily affected, I think you`d find that would be the case.
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Hazelnuts
Member
I don't mean to be a dick here, but this is exactly the attitude that we, the weed smoking population of the world need to get away from. We can't expect the alcohol drinking, cig smoking population to accept us for what we are, weed smokers, and then go around with this elitist attitude telling psychonauts that their shit is "waaay baad duuude". LSD and psilocybin are substances that IMO deserve the same amount of respect as THC, they can open a whole new perspective to people. They're not crazy science lab chemicals, they're medicine, you just have to use them the right way, and the same goes for MDMA (at least in some cases). Please people, get off your high horse (no pun intended)! Shrooms are just as safe as marijuana, no one has ever died from a psilocybin/psilocin overdose!
And when used correctly, psychedelics will definitely not "make you go crazy or e-tarded". It's the stupid partygoers who think shrooms/LSD will just make them have a great time who will find themselves on a bad trip, but that is because they are uninformed and don't have a clue about what they're really taking.
thanks for the thread...heard this on the radio the other night as i was falling a sleep and didnt really catch what they said....now i can have read through later...and rub it in the face of some tossers...show me 100 papers on the dangers of MJ and i'll find 200 that say the opposite ...thats what i say.HH. =]-~
Hazelnuts
Member
picked out of a local field they`re as natural as the weed we all love so much, why would any of us decry these to be dangerous. Just dont let the witches catch ya picking them!!
Damn, you got lucky there man, I keep looking out for those little guys (they're liberty caps, right?) but they don't seem to like the meadows near me...
Congratz on the find!
L
levant
You seem to have missed my post entirely, not once did I mention mushrooms.
I agree shrooms deserve the same respect as cannabis.
Imo we should have enough respect for our body to not take e's.
Also you say THC, like it is cannabis, its not.
Ps- Nice mushroom collection, in a way they are more natural than the weed most of us smoke because they are wild.
