Marijuana laws new tool to ban gun ownership

[imnotcrazy]

It's not JUST Cannabis......

SSRI, anti-depressants etc prescriptions give your doctor the right to violate H.I.P.P.A. and confidentiality rules and discuss your medical history and treatments with the state government.

They are only supposed to be able to do that to facilitate treatment, payment, or health care operations IE: Doctors discussing treatment options in a hospital setting or for behind the scenes insurance billing purposes between doctor's office and insurance company

The slope is getting more slippery

 

[Maj.PotHead]

I'll bet they take the gun registry they have and cross reference it with prescription pill records from pharmacy.

just a thought

fox news had small tidbit of how a NY man was sent letter turn in your firearms. man did then obtained a lawyer, turns out letter was sent to wrong man he had turn in his firearms because of a certain med he was prescribed.

and that my friends is whats gonna happen nation wide if this gets pushed through.

no matter what your thoughts on gun control are this mental health part is bad bad news for MMJ med ppl.

already is a law when a person see a shrink and is deemed unstable he is supposed to be reported into the NCIC back ground check system. a lot of DR.'s don't the current system is broke need to be fixed not more added to it. there's been a federal back ground check in place since 1994

private sales are just that

criminals don't buy used firearms at full or close to full price. they don't go to gun shows again at full price. they steal or buy stolen firearms anyone with half a brain knows this.

otherwise maybe I should run back ground check on perspective buyer of my truck make sure he doesn't have DUI's. after all I don't want to sell my truck to a drunk just to have him plow into a crowd of people

ever since HIPPA was created the feds have been tryn to get back into our private medical records

 

[trichrider]

The video I am posting shows what happened in Guerrero, Mexico - locals overtook the crooked state with rifles
This is real and happening right now
history is unfolding in front of your eyes with the huge momemtum - hang tight - it's going to be a rocky ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiSnCt9fDc

hell yeah! those guns came from the US!!!

 

[johnnybravo]

trade your weed for guns with your friends...no laws against that!

 

[BullDogUK]

Why do you need a gun? They have limited domestic applications besides murder and self-defense.

I mean saying that though, how many gun owners could actually shoot and seriously injure or possibly kill someone? Coming from a society where guns are very much illegal outside of very strict guidelines, the thought of shooting another person is one of the most sickening things one can imagine yet there seems to be many millions of people who believe that they have an inherent right to own a boom-stick to overthrow a corrupt dictator because being armed really helped the Romans stop the rise of the Caesers or the Germans to overthrow Hitler right?

 

[OLordy]

I would have traded up 1/2# of Fire for fully equipped AR15 any day

 

[DemonPigeon]

BDUK, you can also use them for suicide, and the romans didn't have unrestricted gun controll, they could all be subject to Caeser at anytime ;-)
and during the end of their government they became far to concerned with prophets ;-)

(I hope someone sees the puns, also from now on I'm calling you BDUK )

 

[BullDogUK]

Well of course we all know that a person is completely defenseless without a firearm (also how cool would a literal fire-arm be? SO MANY PUNS)

 

[Maj.PotHead]

Well of course we all know that a person is completely defenseless without a firearm (also how cool would a literal fire-arm be? SO MANY PUNS)

well I guess coming from the last armed free nation in the world

mine are for self defense plain simple I grew up with them my 1st one gifted was at age 8 single shot shotgun which I still have 42 yrs later. hunting, trained in the army, love to shoot in the desert



plus ever try to carry a cop in your pocket lol kinda hard to I prefer to be in charge of my own security and protection I don't need any government protecting me no thx

plus the last race of people to lay down their arms in this country was the American Indian ask them how that turned out

 

[BullDogUK]

mine are for self defense plain simple I grew up with them my 1st one gifted was at age 8 single shot shotgun which I still have 42 yrs later. hunting, trained in the army, love to shoot in the desert

I completely understand that, I really wish shooting ranges were more prevalent and had a wider selection of guns over here. Equally I get hunting can be pretty fun, though I'm not really in favor of it unless you're gonna eat it

plus ever try to carry a cop in your pocket lol kinda hard to I prefer to be in charge of my own security and protection I don't need any government protecting me no thx

See, you only need a gun because there's a very real threat that someone who wants to commit violence is also going to have a gun, and because of the widespread gun culture, chances are that it a'int going to be a black-market piece of crap that's as likely to hurt them as you. There is a plethora of non-lethal alternatives out there for self-defense that don't involve someone having a piece of metal exploding into their body at 975m/s.

plus the last race of people to lay down their arms in this country was the American Indian ask them how that turned out

I'm pretty sure it was more the smallpox, measles, plague, influenza, complete lack of serious military technology and general disorganization. Look at what happened every single time the native Americans did try and fight the colonizers...

 

[BullDogUK]

I guess it really shows the differences in culture. I wouldn't feel at all safe if there was a gun in the house

 

[imnotcrazy]

You must have never heard of the "Trail of Tears"

You must have never heard of the "Trail of Tears"

I completely understand that, I really wish shooting ranges were more prevalent and had a wider selection of guns over here. Equally I get hunting can be pretty fun, though I'm not really in favor of it unless you're gonna eat it



See, you only need a gun because there's a very real threat that someone who wants to commit violence is also going to have a gun, and because of the widespread gun culture, chances are that it a'int going to be a black-market piece of crap that's as likely to hurt them as you. There is a plethora of non-lethal alternatives out there for self-defense that don't involve someone having a piece of metal exploding into their body at 975m/s.



I'm pretty sure it was more the smallpox, measles, plague, influenza, complete lack of serious military technology and general disorganization. Look at what happened every single time the native Americans did try and fight the colonizers...

"The fate of the Cherokee, however, proved to be the most tragic of all. When several members of the Cherokee tribe were tricked into signing a removal treaty in 1833, the recognized leaders of the Cherokee nation, and more than 15,000 Cherokees (led by Chief John Ross) signed a petition in protest. The Supreme Court ignored their demands and ratified the treaty in 1836. The Cherokee were given two years to migrate voluntarily, at the end of which time they would be forcibly removed. By 1838 only 2,000 had migrated; 16,000 remained on their land. The U.S. government sent in 7,000 troops, who forced the Cherokees into stockades at bayonet point. They were not allowed time to gather their belongings, and as they left, whites looted their homes. Then began the march known as the Trail of Tears, in which 4,000 Cherokee people died of cold, hunger, and disease on their way to the west"


That's 25% of the remainder of the Cherokee Nation that died, essentially of torture and malnutrition, at bayonet point......

I'm not expecting you to know US history, let alone Native American history, which most Americans don't even know.

Recognize though, the fact that, Hitler based his removal of the Jews to the Ghettos on the US example given to him by the march of the Cherokee and other Native American populations out of their sovereign lands

 

[imnotcrazy]

Albert Speer, Hitler's minister of war production, writing from prison in 1953.

Albert Speer, Hitler's minister of war production, writing from prison in 1953.

"Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination - by starvation and uneven combat - of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity." P. 202, "Adolph Hitler" by John Toland

THIS is an EXCELLENT example of why we need the right to bear arms. ESPECIALLY now that there are laws in place which enable the government to label you a "Terrorist" and disappear you to a room with a solid door and no windows, with absolutely no proof whatsoever and no charges to be drawn against you.

We used to have a right to face our accuser.... sadly the Patriot Act etc has given the powers that be the ability to trump your rights for the "greater good"

 

[BullDogUK]

Well I agree with what you're saying man but seriously, if the government wants to get you, there's not a lot you're going to be able to do. It's scary as hell and it's a big part of what is wrong with US society right now (imo) but the fact is that many police forces have access to military equipment, including urban combat equipment and armored vehicles.

Now again, don't get me wrong. If someone tries to force themselves into your home then you should have a right to defense, I just think a gun is the worst way you could do that. But if there is a concerted government effort to force entry, as with your above examples, you're fucked and might as well shoot yourself and save the pigs the trouble :/

 

[Maj.PotHead]

I must add in no way do I mean in any way to disrespect the American Indian

honestly I feel extremely safe in my home with what I have and will continue to buy

if they get through my 12 gauge pump shotgun man do I have stronger surprises lol

 

[imnotcrazy]

BullDog, acquiescence as you suggest, to many people is WORSE than death


Maj.PotHead, I didn't suggest anyone disrespected the Native Americans. I just like to point out the similarities between what happened then and what is happening now. The issue is many AMERICANS aren't even aware of what happened and how the U.S. govenrment treated the sovereign nations of Native peoples.

The real shame is the fact that after the government stole these lands, they have to audacity to set up state owned institutions of "education" and use the original landholder's namesake in the name of school spirit. The Florida Seminoles come to mind....

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Maj. PotHead again"

 

[HUGE]

I completely understand that, I really wish shooting ranges were more prevalent and had a wider selection of guns over here. Equally I get hunting can be pretty fun, though I'm not really in favor of it unless you're gonna eat it



See, you only need a gun because there's a very real threat that someone who wants to commit violence is also going to have a gun, and because of the widespread gun culture, chances are that it a'int going to be a black-market piece of crap that's as likely to hurt them as you. There is a plethora of non-lethal alternatives out there for self-defense that don't involve someone having a piece of metal exploding into their body at 975m/s.




I'm pretty sure it was more the smallpox, measles, plague, influenza, complete lack of serious military technology and general disorganization. Look at what happened every single time the native Americans did try and fight the colonizers...

Ok lets go with this for a minute. Did tjey ever teach you about cutars last stand? General custar tokk on a bunch of indians thinling the same thing as you. Unfortunately for custar tje indians had repeating rifles while he did not. This caused his whole regiment to be slaugjtered by these unorganized savages. You have to remember we have the right to bear arms in order to unslave ouselves from tyranny both foreign and domestic.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

BullDog, acquiescence as you suggest, to many people is WORSE than death


Maj.PotHead, I didn't suggest anyone disrespected the Native Americans. I just like to point out the similarities between what happened then and what is happening now. The issue is many AMERICANS aren't even aware of what happened and how the U.S. govenrment treated the sovereign nations of Native peoples.

The real shame is the fact that after the government stole these lands, they have to audacity to set up state owned institutions of "education" and use the original landholder's namesake in the name of school spirit. The Florida Seminoles come to mind....

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Maj. PotHead again"

no worries bro I know you didn't just you showing a historical fact and a sad one at that but it happened.

for the fella in the UK I understand when you grow up in a culture that doesn't allow the normal Joe to own a firearm. this would be hard for this person to conceive the fact that so many people in another country love their firearms.

not every time a firearm is pulled on a purp someone dies honestly with me

if after they hear the round jacking into the chamber and my warnings they proceed well I'm protecting myself and family. I will not become a victim in my own home, yes I know there's less lethal ways but a lot of criminals in America do home invasions. these purps are armed a lot of burglars are also armed a lot of car jackers are armed

there's many stories in America were a firearm was used to hold the purp until police arrived you just don't hear about them. especially now during the attempt to disarm America by the United Nations.

Australia perfect example

disarmed the law abiding citizen in what 1996 ???
a little unknown criminal activity started in America we call them Home Invasion's. when your door is kicked in by criminals that are armed, hold you and your family at gun point rob and do as they will.

that country's citizens are 2nd thinking giving up their firearms

Lennon once said and Hitler proved him correct
one man with a gun can control 100 with out one

Ronald Regan once said
America is the last armed free nation in the world

 

[BullDogUK]

Well look, are you actually going to use a gun on a home invader? What happens when someone actually decides to try you? Are you seriously going to end someone's life or permanently damage them because they decided to come into your home? Could you live with that memory? I don't think I could. Obviously I'm not going to put up some images on gunshot/shotgun shell wounds on here but a quick google search will show you what happens when flesh meets high-speed metal.

Again, I understand liking guns. I like them myself and would love to have the opportunity to fire some more exotic weapons besides a pump-action shotgun or bolt-action rifle. I just don't think allowing people to resolve disputes or crimes with something which is not designed to incapacitate or to disable but to cause as much damage as possible and to kill.

 

[DemonPigeon]

Ok lets go with this for a minute. Did tjey ever teach you about cutars last stand? General custar tokk on a bunch of indians thinling the same thing as you. Unfortunately for custar tje indians had repeating rifles while he did not. This caused his whole regiment to be slaugjtered by these unorganized savages. You have to remember we have the right to bear arms in order to unslave ouselves from tyranny both foreign and domestic.

Custer attacked an unsuspecting encampment from three sides!

Had he suceeded thousands of unarmed women and children would have died!

He had ~600 men and attacked the Native (lets not forget who was there first) American settlement (number of warriors somewhere between 2000-4000) thinking his guns gave him the advantage, they didn't.

I don't think it's appropriate to say that Crazy Horse was disorganised, and I think Custer was definately the most "savage" person at that battle...

Ultimately though even with the additional rifles gained from the defeat of Custer, the natives couldn't beat the military.