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Marijuana ‘hash oil' explosions on rise
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He's just a troll. You guys need to stop giving him actual responses.
Yeah but I hate to see people say that kind of bullshit without being challenged.
Yeah they're not fantastic pictures are they?
your camera is a little blurry
I can see why you think they're so dangerous though
I mean, what's that quote from Dune? It's something like "Whoever Controls Thomas Paine's Spice Photos controls the Galaxy"?
PaullyHighBred
Active member
totally bro, hey why don't you take all your useful posting energy over to the beer brewing forums and warn them of this new fangled scurge called whiskey, cause you know people can actually overdose on alcohol whereas with cannabis...
oh and good luck with your spice addiction...
cause that's just like bho right???
SirStynkalot
Member
I just gotta say if you passed high school chemistry you should know enough about hazmats from watching the teacher working with them under vent hoods. It's a required component of the classes in my state I believe.
Idiots like this are why I have to go spring for a friggin butane still now. Mark my words, WA won't be allowing straight dabs or even open extraction systems for more than another year. I-502 didn't cover them and the liquor board's trying to make the medical market I-502 compliant.
As far as all this spice/potency nonsense, I think Mr. Paine doesn't really understand the difference between the two substances.
The multiple, synergistic psychoactive chemicals in cannabis plants are in the resin glands on the bud matter. The way you make BHO is to use butane as a solvent to chemically wash the resin glands off of the plant matter, and then evaporate out the butane (which happens naturally well below room temperature). Done correctly, it's nothing more than refined cannabis.
Spice, on the other hand, uses chemicals with known health risks to mimic only one of the active compounds in cannabis. It is not cannabis. It is not related to cannabis nor based on it in any way. It is a laboratory concoction designed to mimic an un-mimic-able blend of natural compounds.
It sucks that you are fighting an active addiction. I'm sure there are many on this forum that can relate to that. If that's truly what's going on in your life then a forum for discussing the manufacture of a completely different addictive substance may not be the safest place for you to be right now. I wish you the best.
Idiots like this are why I have to go spring for a friggin butane still now. Mark my words, WA won't be allowing straight dabs or even open extraction systems for more than another year. I-502 didn't cover them and the liquor board's trying to make the medical market I-502 compliant.
As far as all this spice/potency nonsense, I think Mr. Paine doesn't really understand the difference between the two substances.
The multiple, synergistic psychoactive chemicals in cannabis plants are in the resin glands on the bud matter. The way you make BHO is to use butane as a solvent to chemically wash the resin glands off of the plant matter, and then evaporate out the butane (which happens naturally well below room temperature). Done correctly, it's nothing more than refined cannabis.
Spice, on the other hand, uses chemicals with known health risks to mimic only one of the active compounds in cannabis. It is not cannabis. It is not related to cannabis nor based on it in any way. It is a laboratory concoction designed to mimic an un-mimic-able blend of natural compounds.
It sucks that you are fighting an active addiction. I'm sure there are many on this forum that can relate to that. If that's truly what's going on in your life then a forum for discussing the manufacture of a completely different addictive substance may not be the safest place for you to be right now. I wish you the best.
Shooting up THC ?
Shooting up THC ?
So I was just wondering about how you all feel about "shooting up" THC?
You do know that people used to do this often in the 70's, both natural THC and synthetic THC?
I mean if you want to get the highest, the quickest, and for the longest, why not just purify the extracts all the way to crystal form, mix them with a cyclodextrin molecule or sufacant and ethanol and just shoot it in your veins?
Or forget all the butane or solvent extraction, lengthly purging and further refining, and just have a Chemistry major friend show you how to make synthetic THC from Olivetol and pinene (a turpene found in pine trees & weed)?
Or better yet, take a few semesters of night classes and learn Chemistry 1, 2 and then Organic Chemistry and make it yourself? Alexander Shulgin even has a method outlined with Olivetol and simple orange peels.
...No more having to buy mastercases, no more danger of explosions form butane, no purging and winterizing to make purer product...
Just 99.5+% pure THC that works instantly, gets you HIGH AS FUCK and that you can slam right into your veins like good dope.
Shooting up THC ?
So I was just wondering about how you all feel about "shooting up" THC?
You do know that people used to do this often in the 70's, both natural THC and synthetic THC?
I mean if you want to get the highest, the quickest, and for the longest, why not just purify the extracts all the way to crystal form, mix them with a cyclodextrin molecule or sufacant and ethanol and just shoot it in your veins?
Or forget all the butane or solvent extraction, lengthly purging and further refining, and just have a Chemistry major friend show you how to make synthetic THC from Olivetol and pinene (a turpene found in pine trees & weed)?
Or better yet, take a few semesters of night classes and learn Chemistry 1, 2 and then Organic Chemistry and make it yourself? Alexander Shulgin even has a method outlined with Olivetol and simple orange peels.
...No more having to buy mastercases, no more danger of explosions form butane, no purging and winterizing to make purer product...
Just 99.5+% pure THC that works instantly, gets you HIGH AS FUCK and that you can slam right into your veins like good dope.
So I was just wondering about how you all feel about "shooting up" THC?
You do know that people used to do this often in the 70's, both natural THC and synthetic THC?
I mean if you want to get the highest, the quickest, and for the longest, why not just purify the extracts all the way to crystal form, mix them with a cyclodextrin molecule or sufacant and ethanol and just shoot it in your veins?
Or forget all the butane or solvent extraction, lengthly purging and further refining, and just have a Chemistry major friend show you how to make synthetic THC from Olivetol and pinene (a turpene found in pine trees & weed)?
Or better yet, take a few semesters of night classes and learn Chemistry 1, 2 and then Organic Chemistry and make it yourself? Alexander Shulgin even has a method outlined with Olivetol and simple orange peels.
...No more having to buy mastercases, no more danger of explosions form butane, no purging and winterizing to make purer product...
Just 99.5+% pure THC that works instantly, gets you HIGH AS FUCK and that you can slam right into your veins like good dope.
You make it sound like it was EVER a common occurence.
I'm not saying chemists have never done it but... very few chemists have ever done it.
Injecting THC is mainly the sort of things that occured in labs to test out potential harm threshholds.
You know what they found?
Injections of intravenous THC can cause:
Symtoms of "Psychosis" which consisted of Paranoia and disorientation for ~1 hour before returning to normal.
Additionally some people experienced Panic Attacks as a result of the paranoia
There's no achieable overdose, the most danger comes from:
(1) failing to get the right pH and damaging the vein
(2) Causing clots through air bubbles
(3) The solvents like ethanol (the kind of alchohol found in drinks) which are harmful to the body
I don't personally have any desire to shoot anything.
Are tokers going to criticize me for vaping and eating rather than smoking? I don't see why it matter how people choose to take it.
Smoking is bad for your lungs, if you can't eat, vape or smoke because of health reasons I'd be fine seeing Medical injections of THC.
The Method of ingestion isn't what makes shooting Heroin bad, You know what makes shooting Heroin bad? The Heroin.
Injections don't have to be dangerous.
SirStynkalot
Member
I've used DSMO or whatever it's called for transdermal absorption for years. Makes clipping a lot easier and less painful. Only reason I risked putting the solvent in my body is because I already have to get semi-regular liver function tests for one of my other medications and liver complications in rare cases is why the substance is only approved for horses and not humans.`
I think Mr. Paine's missing the whole "blend of synergistic compounds" bit. I'm a medical marijuana patient. And not that it's any of your business but if I didn't have my card I'd be on full disability. I use cannabis for a very specific problem. Pure THC aggrevates my symptoms instead of relieving them. I use low THC high CBD high CBN weed.
Finally, I AM the chemistry major friend. I'm not interested in distilling pine trees to try and make a cheap knockoff of what my doctor prescribed to me. Twice the work, ten times the health risk, and there are about a dozen other good reasons not to. If you do then that's your gig. If I was going to go to all the trouble to set up a full on chem lab in my basement I'd be more tempted to cook meth than fake pot. I don't see how you could pay off a chem lab with fake pot - there's no market for it when the real stuff's cheap as dirt in my state. I don't wanna cook meth and I don't invest in equipment or hobbies I don't think will pay themselves off. The end.
I'm also terrified of needles so that should answer your other question.
AAAnd I've had my last say on this matter. It seems pretty obvious Mr. Paine doesn't want to be here and isn't open to changing his personal opinions regarding BHO. Somehow this thread has gone from "make fun of the guys who don't vent their extraction systems right" to "argue with this one guy who keeps making false analogies between hash extracts and unrelated substances." This is not how intelligent discussion/debate works. I'm out.
I think Mr. Paine's missing the whole "blend of synergistic compounds" bit. I'm a medical marijuana patient. And not that it's any of your business but if I didn't have my card I'd be on full disability. I use cannabis for a very specific problem. Pure THC aggrevates my symptoms instead of relieving them. I use low THC high CBD high CBN weed.
Finally, I AM the chemistry major friend. I'm not interested in distilling pine trees to try and make a cheap knockoff of what my doctor prescribed to me. Twice the work, ten times the health risk, and there are about a dozen other good reasons not to. If you do then that's your gig. If I was going to go to all the trouble to set up a full on chem lab in my basement I'd be more tempted to cook meth than fake pot. I don't see how you could pay off a chem lab with fake pot - there's no market for it when the real stuff's cheap as dirt in my state. I don't wanna cook meth and I don't invest in equipment or hobbies I don't think will pay themselves off. The end.
I'm also terrified of needles so that should answer your other question.
AAAnd I've had my last say on this matter. It seems pretty obvious Mr. Paine doesn't want to be here and isn't open to changing his personal opinions regarding BHO. Somehow this thread has gone from "make fun of the guys who don't vent their extraction systems right" to "argue with this one guy who keeps making false analogies between hash extracts and unrelated substances." This is not how intelligent discussion/debate works. I'm out.
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AlterEgo860
I just think if your going to do this. do it safe.. especially if ur going to do it indoors..
iuno my friend that makes it seems to think his sun room with 8 windows and a door to the outside is perfect.. he opens his door.. and puts window fans 4 pulling air in. 4 pulling air out.. and keeps the door open.. has done hundreds of batches.. with no issues.. just be smart.. that's all.
iuno my friend that makes it seems to think his sun room with 8 windows and a door to the outside is perfect.. he opens his door.. and puts window fans 4 pulling air in. 4 pulling air out.. and keeps the door open.. has done hundreds of batches.. with no issues.. just be smart.. that's all.
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AlterEgo860
So I was just wondering about how you all feel about "shooting up" THC?
You do know that people used to do this often in the 70's, both natural THC and synthetic THC?
I mean if you want to get the highest, the quickest, and for the longest, why not just purify the extracts all the way to crystal form, mix them with a cyclodextrin molecule or sufacant and ethanol and just shoot it in your veins?
Or forget all the butane or solvent extraction, lengthly purging and further refining, and just have a Chemistry major friend show you how to make synthetic THC from Olivetol and pinene (a turpene found in pine trees & weed)?
Or better yet, take a few semesters of night classes and learn Chemistry 1, 2 and then Organic Chemistry and make it yourself? Alexander Shulgin even has a method outlined with Olivetol and simple orange peels.
...No more having to buy mastercases, no more danger of explosions form butane, no purging and winterizing to make purer product...
Just 99.5+% pure THC that works instantly, gets you HIGH AS FUCK and that you can slam right into your veins like good dope.
this kind of thinking is why they don't want to strickly legalize marijuana to begin with..
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AlterEgo860
hahaha getting addicted to spice.. and weed didn't work anymore? must get some GARBAGE WEED. kuz the spice shit.. is a poison. of course u got addicted.. stick with weed.. the non harmful version of that crap u put in ur body.
Man extracting hash oil from marijuana causes explosion, burning himself, roommate
Man extracting hash oil from marijuana causes explosion, burning himself, roommate
Man allegedly extracting hash oil from marijuana causes explosion, burning himself, roommate
BY RUMMANA HUSSAIN Criminal Courts Reporter November 7, 2013 3:32PM / Updated
A South Loop man trying to extract hash oil from his marijuana stash caused an explosion in his apartment this week, causing minor burns to himself and second-degree burns to his roommate, authorities said.
Daniel Tatman’s experiment in his bathroom late Tuesday night also caused roughly $20,000 in damages to his seventh floor unit, according to Assistant Cook County State’s Attorney Lorraine Scaduto.
Police said Tatman, 21, was using an “incendiary device” on the marijuana when the explosion occurred.
Hash oil is created by “blasting” the cannabis with butane or another chemical solvent, according to High Times, a publication for advocates for the legalization of marijuana. Tatman and his roommate were both treated at Stroger Hospital for the burns, authorities said.
Tatman, who appeared in court with visible injuries to his face Thursday, was ordered held in lieu of $25,000 bail for criminal damage to property, reckless conduct causing bodily harm and possession of cannabis.
Officers said they recovered a little over 1,900 grams of pot worth $30,500 in Tatman’s apartment in the 1200 block of South Michigan.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/23602447-418/story.html
Man extracting hash oil from marijuana causes explosion, burning himself, roommate
Man allegedly extracting hash oil from marijuana causes explosion, burning himself, roommate
BY RUMMANA HUSSAIN Criminal Courts Reporter November 7, 2013 3:32PM / Updated
A South Loop man trying to extract hash oil from his marijuana stash caused an explosion in his apartment this week, causing minor burns to himself and second-degree burns to his roommate, authorities said.
Daniel Tatman’s experiment in his bathroom late Tuesday night also caused roughly $20,000 in damages to his seventh floor unit, according to Assistant Cook County State’s Attorney Lorraine Scaduto.
Police said Tatman, 21, was using an “incendiary device” on the marijuana when the explosion occurred.
Hash oil is created by “blasting” the cannabis with butane or another chemical solvent, according to High Times, a publication for advocates for the legalization of marijuana. Tatman and his roommate were both treated at Stroger Hospital for the burns, authorities said.
Tatman, who appeared in court with visible injuries to his face Thursday, was ordered held in lieu of $25,000 bail for criminal damage to property, reckless conduct causing bodily harm and possession of cannabis.
Officers said they recovered a little over 1,900 grams of pot worth $30,500 in Tatman’s apartment in the 1200 block of South Michigan.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/23602447-418/story.html
That must be some good weed to be worth $7500/Lbs.
Don't Ya just love LEO math.
I wish I could get $7K/Lbs,,, Who doesn't?
Peace; 1TT
Don't Ya just love LEO math.
I wish I could get $7K/Lbs,,, Who doesn't?
Peace; 1TT
BigBudBill
Member
Your straw-men arguments burn themselves out brother.
BigBudBill
Member
sounds like its about time they put flammable warnings on butane cans specifically indicating that extracting anything indoors with it is a very dangerous procedure and should be avoided unless you are trained professionally.
Well Butane is used for a lot of things.
So you can't list all the possible problems with it on the can, there's so many potential uses to list, as a solvent, as a fuel but also it's a solvent for different chemicals that need to be treated differently.
The other problem is if the advice on the can wasn't perfect in all situations they could be sued.
They could do special "bho butane cans" with instructions and safety advice or they could make staff at shops give you extraction advice.
But most of these types of cases are in states where it's illegal.
Which means technically if they acknowledged what you were buying it for illegal activity they'd be complicit.
If someone is buying butane for something you know is illegal then you can't legally sell it to them or you can get yourself and your business into trouble.
So really Hazard numbers, some generic safety equipment and Flammable & toxic are really all they can say, nothing weed specific.
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