Maria Sanchez
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Girls gonna be thirsty.
Looking for an opportunity to water and check up.
Looking for an opportunity to water and check up.
Maria's Subtropical Outdoor Guerilla Grows with Connoisseur Genetics (Perpetual Journal)
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Maria Sanchez
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Spring-Summer Grow Begins -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 86
Ten days since the last update.
Apart from a few drops, there has been no rain, so no watering at all.
I knew they were going to be thirsty, just a question of how thirsty (still alive??)
The May rains went a little later this year, into early June.
But after that, straight into the hot zone, daily temps about 27C-33C give or take.
Before the plants, so bat-cave pics:
And here's some bat guano, for @Mitsuharu and friends.
It's mainly building up in neat little lines under their roosting areas.
Could easily scoop up a kilo or two with the right device, like a cut-away bottle or something.
Arriving at the garden, yes, they are thirsty!!
Here's what they looked like on site, with the pots very, very light.
Leaves drooping, many leaves brown or yellowing.
But they're definitely still alive, and even picked up within 30 minutes or so on site after watering.
Left pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Middle upper pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: Older L'n'L Jones, revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
I quickly brought them out of the balcony, into the work area at the top of the stairs.
And immediately began watering.
They're so dry it just flows right through, so I do small amounts, wait, then some more, etc.
Left pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: (already cut the Older L'n'L Jones), revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
I also brought a soil and top-dress to the site.
Maybe 8-10 liters of potting mix (peat, coir, perlite mix), plus organic amendments, kelp powder, myccos, dolomite lime, and something else that was sitting around the bottom of my garden box at home.
The media levels in the pots, especially the re-vegging pots, was slowly going down, so now the pots are working at better capacity.
The more medium in the pots will also help keeping them hydrated in the summer.
This is what they looked like after watering, soil top-up, and tidying up the plants down low.
Left pot: (already cut the Older L'n'L Jones), revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Left pot: Older L'n'L Jones, revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
Older L'n'L Jones:
Actually, I cut the older L'n'L Jones almost immediately, and put her in the laundry bag to dry.
Ugly looking bud --- she flowered early, in the wet, was shaping up okay, then got some mold, then kind of foxtailed a bit because the light hours were increasing. Ugly bud.
So no pics!
But .... there's something to smoke there, and she's got a bunch of nice mature seeds inside her from the Grail X ThaiFrican male.
Was a nice shaped bud, and the aromas were good, so I think her children will make nice more chunky hybrid plants, compared to these sativa / haze heavy girls in the rest of the grow.
Revegging Grail (NLD pheno):
She was the most wilted, as the pot is the smallest.
She has always had fairly hard woody stems, otherwise I'd try to bend her open a bit more.
Still keeping her purple stems and petioles.
Lost a lot of leaves down low, the lower half of the plant, but a lot of that was just the older reveg growth, so not a problem.
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 86
Ten days since the last update.
Apart from a few drops, there has been no rain, so no watering at all.
I knew they were going to be thirsty, just a question of how thirsty (still alive??)
The May rains went a little later this year, into early June.
But after that, straight into the hot zone, daily temps about 27C-33C give or take.
Before the plants, so bat-cave pics:
And here's some bat guano, for @Mitsuharu and friends.
It's mainly building up in neat little lines under their roosting areas.
Could easily scoop up a kilo or two with the right device, like a cut-away bottle or something.
Arriving at the garden, yes, they are thirsty!!
Here's what they looked like on site, with the pots very, very light.
Leaves drooping, many leaves brown or yellowing.
But they're definitely still alive, and even picked up within 30 minutes or so on site after watering.
Left pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Middle upper pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: Older L'n'L Jones, revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
I quickly brought them out of the balcony, into the work area at the top of the stairs.
And immediately began watering.
They're so dry it just flows right through, so I do small amounts, wait, then some more, etc.
Left pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: (already cut the Older L'n'L Jones), revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
I also brought a soil and top-dress to the site.
Maybe 8-10 liters of potting mix (peat, coir, perlite mix), plus organic amendments, kelp powder, myccos, dolomite lime, and something else that was sitting around the bottom of my garden box at home.
The media levels in the pots, especially the re-vegging pots, was slowly going down, so now the pots are working at better capacity.
The more medium in the pots will also help keeping them hydrated in the summer.
This is what they looked like after watering, soil top-up, and tidying up the plants down low.
Left pot: (already cut the Older L'n'L Jones), revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Left pot: Older L'n'L Jones, revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
Older L'n'L Jones:
Actually, I cut the older L'n'L Jones almost immediately, and put her in the laundry bag to dry.
Ugly looking bud --- she flowered early, in the wet, was shaping up okay, then got some mold, then kind of foxtailed a bit because the light hours were increasing. Ugly bud.
So no pics!
But .... there's something to smoke there, and she's got a bunch of nice mature seeds inside her from the Grail X ThaiFrican male.
Was a nice shaped bud, and the aromas were good, so I think her children will make nice more chunky hybrid plants, compared to these sativa / haze heavy girls in the rest of the grow.
Revegging Grail (NLD pheno):
She was the most wilted, as the pot is the smallest.
She has always had fairly hard woody stems, otherwise I'd try to bend her open a bit more.
Still keeping her purple stems and petioles.
Lost a lot of leaves down low, the lower half of the plant, but a lot of that was just the older reveg growth, so not a problem.
Peace and Love,
~MJS
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Maria Sanchez
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Spring-Summer Grow Begins -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 86
Revegging Grail (NLD pheno), continued:
Has a number of tops growing on her, still with short internode length.
I tidied up underneath, and this is the result:
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 86
Revegging Grail (NLD pheno), continued:
Has a number of tops growing on her, still with short internode length.
I tidied up underneath, and this is the result:
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Maria Sanchez
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Spring-Summer Grow Begins -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 86
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
The three seed plants were a bit wilted, but not too bad.
I think it's more the pot size, the biggest pot, and that previously this pot only grew the ThaiFrican father and those tiny Thai Madness girls, so it still has plenty of life in it.
Back right and left are the Grail x ThaiFricans, and front center is the younger L'n'L Jones.
Lost a few leaves from the wilt, but otherwise not too bad at all!
Younger L'n'L Jones:
Is she flowering? Is she not flowering? Still uncommitted, on the cusp.
Let's wait and see!
First Grail x ThaiFrican
She didn't grow as much as I thought (feared!) over the last ten days.
Probably due to the lack of water!
But she's still growing up.
About 100 cm tall at this point, that's about 39"-40" for you Americans...
Second Grail x ThaiFrican
Her slightly shorter sister.
She's got slightly more branching.
Or, rather, her branches grow up a bit taller than the tall sister.
Otherwise, they look nearly identical.
The whole pot from above:
Completely lacking any focus, whatsoever...
I gave a little tidy up underneath, but they didn't need much.
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 86
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
The three seed plants were a bit wilted, but not too bad.
I think it's more the pot size, the biggest pot, and that previously this pot only grew the ThaiFrican father and those tiny Thai Madness girls, so it still has plenty of life in it.
Back right and left are the Grail x ThaiFricans, and front center is the younger L'n'L Jones.
Lost a few leaves from the wilt, but otherwise not too bad at all!
Younger L'n'L Jones:
Is she flowering? Is she not flowering? Still uncommitted, on the cusp.
Let's wait and see!
First Grail x ThaiFrican
She didn't grow as much as I thought (feared!) over the last ten days.
Probably due to the lack of water!
But she's still growing up.
About 100 cm tall at this point, that's about 39"-40" for you Americans...
Second Grail x ThaiFrican
Her slightly shorter sister.
She's got slightly more branching.
Or, rather, her branches grow up a bit taller than the tall sister.
Otherwise, they look nearly identical.
The whole pot from above:
Completely lacking any focus, whatsoever...
I gave a little tidy up underneath, but they didn't need much.
Peace and Love,
~MJS
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Maria Sanchez
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Spring-Summer Grow Begins -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 86
Right pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
These two Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil sisters were not really wilted at all.
Not sure what's in my soil in this pot, something special? Or maybe it's just them?
The pot was very light when lifted.
Not sure who is who in there, they are nearly Siamese (Thai!) twins, haha!
Their stems are more flexible, so I did some bending, opening them both up.
I didn't do a full snap / supercrop, so it will probably have minimum effect.
But you can see it from this top view:
Cleaning up underneath was fun!
Such a mess of dried out flower, little leaves, tiny re-vegging branches.
The end result was a bit better, and it'll keep the airflow going.
They can be their own mulch...
Thanks for joining me in the journey, my friends!
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 86
Right pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
These two Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil sisters were not really wilted at all.
Not sure what's in my soil in this pot, something special? Or maybe it's just them?
The pot was very light when lifted.
Not sure who is who in there, they are nearly Siamese (Thai!) twins, haha!
Their stems are more flexible, so I did some bending, opening them both up.
I didn't do a full snap / supercrop, so it will probably have minimum effect.
But you can see it from this top view:
Cleaning up underneath was fun!
Such a mess of dried out flower, little leaves, tiny re-vegging branches.
The end result was a bit better, and it'll keep the airflow going.
They can be their own mulch...
Thanks for joining me in the journey, my friends!
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Maria Sanchez
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Oh, to add:
The tallest Grail X ThaiFrican girl received a little pollen from her brother, when she first showed sex and was leaning toward flowering. As the light hours picked up, she decided not to fully flower, but I found a few rows of seeds on her main stem, about a 1/3rd way up the plant. Took them now, otherwise they'll just drop soon and possibly sprout. They are already very mature, it's been ... 6 weeks or so, I think.
16 beautiful Grail X ThaiFrican F2 seeds.
((NH18 x MM) x (NH21 x MM)) X ThaiFrican
=
((NH18 x MM) x (NH21 x MM)) X (((Hempy Thai x NH21) x NH36 rev) x (NH23 x Kariba))
All that, squared = F2.
Mostly Neville's Haze (56.25%), with a fair amount of Mullumbimby Madness (25%), a bit of Hempy's Thai (6.25%) and African Kariba (12.5%).
But, of course, being F2s of that, and the parents already being crosses, this F2 generation could show quite a range of phenotypes, from NvHz, to the Mullumbimby, the Thai and Kariba. It's all sativa, though, and I can't see anything else coming out of such an F2 cross. Both the Grail and ThaiFrican parents were fairly fast to flower, and the mother also fast to finish. Could be interesting.
Just for fun!! Keep those seed stocks going, right kids?!
The tallest Grail X ThaiFrican girl received a little pollen from her brother, when she first showed sex and was leaning toward flowering. As the light hours picked up, she decided not to fully flower, but I found a few rows of seeds on her main stem, about a 1/3rd way up the plant. Took them now, otherwise they'll just drop soon and possibly sprout. They are already very mature, it's been ... 6 weeks or so, I think.
16 beautiful Grail X ThaiFrican F2 seeds.
((NH18 x MM) x (NH21 x MM)) X ThaiFrican
=
((NH18 x MM) x (NH21 x MM)) X (((Hempy Thai x NH21) x NH36 rev) x (NH23 x Kariba))
All that, squared = F2.
Mostly Neville's Haze (56.25%), with a fair amount of Mullumbimby Madness (25%), a bit of Hempy's Thai (6.25%) and African Kariba (12.5%).
But, of course, being F2s of that, and the parents already being crosses, this F2 generation could show quite a range of phenotypes, from NvHz, to the Mullumbimby, the Thai and Kariba. It's all sativa, though, and I can't see anything else coming out of such an F2 cross. Both the Grail and ThaiFrican parents were fairly fast to flower, and the mother also fast to finish. Could be interesting.
Just for fun!! Keep those seed stocks going, right kids?!
Maria Sanchez
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@Mitsuharu -- PM me your address and I'll post you a bag of fresh guano!!! 
Maria Sanchez
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Something like that.
We don't really get dry winds here, but I still need a better solution to keep the moisture in.
Some kind of drip tray, or plastic bag at the base functioning as a drip tray, if I can get organized.
No sooner had I watered them yesterday, that they also received a bit of rain.
Maria Sanchez
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I have actually. Don't why I didn't think of it this time.
Will need a couple of extra bottles.
Though, a liter or two will still only give a couple of extra days.
Do you only put holes in the top/cap?
What size hole would you suggest to last another day or two of slow drip feeding?
Thank you!!
Maria Sanchez
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Spring-Summer Grow -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 91
Busy weekend coming up, so thought better to get ahead of the watering schedule.
Five days since last visit and water, so they should be fine.
Plus they had extra soil top up from last time.
Had to go fairly early in the morning, so I took photos from another angle today.
Family pics
In their usual growing location
Back: one L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Left side: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Right bottom: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy (looks biggest because closest to camera)
This is just the opposite side of where I normally take pics.
Some kind of freaky psychedlic fish / cat creature.
Right: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
Middle: one L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Left: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
Pouring out the seven pointer leaves now,
Ｈas well over a dozen colas on the two together.
About 75 cm tall, 30".
One L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
The wider leaves are the L'n'L Jones, the Grail x ThaiFricans are very NLD.
Tallest Grail x ThaiFrican about 100 cm tall, 40", the other Grail x ThaiFrican about 80 cm = 32", and L'n'L Jones 70cm = 28".
One revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Delicate girl this one, but very pretty.
Has maybe a dozen colas on her, with seven pointer leaves now.
About 75 cm tall, 30".
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 91
Busy weekend coming up, so thought better to get ahead of the watering schedule.
Five days since last visit and water, so they should be fine.
Plus they had extra soil top up from last time.
Had to go fairly early in the morning, so I took photos from another angle today.
Family pics
In their usual growing location
Back: one L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Left side: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Right bottom: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy (looks biggest because closest to camera)
This is just the opposite side of where I normally take pics.
Some kind of freaky psychedlic fish / cat creature.
Right: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
Middle: one L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Left: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
Pouring out the seven pointer leaves now,
Ｈas well over a dozen colas on the two together.
About 75 cm tall, 30".
One L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
The wider leaves are the L'n'L Jones, the Grail x ThaiFricans are very NLD.
Tallest Grail x ThaiFrican about 100 cm tall, 40", the other Grail x ThaiFrican about 80 cm = 32", and L'n'L Jones 70cm = 28".
One revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Delicate girl this one, but very pretty.
Has maybe a dozen colas on her, with seven pointer leaves now.
About 75 cm tall, 30".
Peace and Love,
~MJS
I am trying hyposomniac's idea of the drip water bottle. I used an empty plastic Gatoraide bottle and drilled a very small hole in the cap. There was a cloudburst with an inch of rain last night so I won't know how it works for a few days. My plan is to drill the hole larger if needed to last several days of drip watering.
Maria Sanchez
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Haha, it often rains just after I visit and hand water, too!
Let me know how it goes.
I should do the same, set up a test bottle at home in the garden.
Just one hole in the cap (at the ground level), right? No hole in the bottom (which is at the top), right?
Maria Sanchez
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You think the bits on the side are bat wings? Could be!Another cool grafitti! I would say bat/cat/insect hybrid.
I was thinking 'fish' fins, haha.
We should settle on cat-bat, because I love cats, and we have a bat theme here, now.
It's a nice piece of art, isn't it??
The drip bottle is working but it needs a little fine tuning. It is a 591 ml drink bottle with a very small 5/64 inch drill hole in the cap only. I am going to drill the next size larger hole. Right now it drips out every 10 sec and in a day it only dripped out a strong 1/3 of the bottle. I have read where you can bury the cap part in the media and it will sort of wick out but I was worried about it clogging so I just put it upside down and sort of leaned it against the inside of the flower pot.
Tropf-Blumat has these for bottles:
www.blumat.com
Universal bottle adapter - Blumat Easy
Watering aid for indoors and outdoors Blumat Easy is a hassle-free, plant-sitting service that comes in handy when you want to take a short holiday. The plants are continuously and evenly supplied with water during your absence. Blumat Easy is quick and easy to use with any standard plastic bottle.
www.blumat.com
Maria Sanchez
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Thanks for this info!
I'll be using a 1 liter (32 fl oz?) bottle at least.
For me, if I could have that empty in 3 days it would be good.
Actually, 1 liter doesn't go far, but better than emptying in the first day!
I usually give them about 4-8 liters each every watering, but that is maybe every 5-7 days.
Think I'll stuff it right into the soil, it'll help keep it upright.
Thanks!
Maria Sanchez
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Nice. Very hard to get stuff like this around here.Tropf-Blumat has these for bottles:
Universal bottle adapter - Blumat Easy
Watering aid for indoors and outdoors Blumat Easy is a hassle-free, plant-sitting service that comes in handy when you want to take a short holiday. The plants are continuously and evenly supplied with water during your absence. Blumat Easy is quick and easy to use with any standard plastic bottle.
And I'm too cheap to do Amazon shipping here, too.
Might be a local equivalent though, if I dig around.
