hy guys and dubi, i have two neville haze males, one of them is showing few little balls with hair, can male shows hermy traits?? i have three selected females and i like to do few beans , first idea was to make different pollination with the two males ,in two mini boxes with same mothers , two clones of each mother and a male for box. i don't know after see that strange trait in one male if is better use only one , what you think guys?
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an easy starter guide to select males from shantibaba:
1. Resin Production and Potency – the quickness, the amount and where it is being produced will all be factors. An eye glass will be the most accurate means to view this trait.
2. Aroma – if there is a distinct aroma or something interesting to the nose.
3. Quickness to flower and release of pollen maturation and speed to reach pollen dispersal.
4. Internode spacing – based on the Fibonacci ratio of 1:1.6, this ratio is used in many applications, one of which is a rating of beauty and another in stability and consistency of some genetic factors in a plants makeup.
5. Leaf structure and Stature – whether it is more leaning to sativa or indica and how the plant grows in visible structure.
6. Resistance to hermaphrodism – no visible signs that the male flower has any naturally occurring female pistilates combined within the male flower.
7. Vigor and fitness – visible factors that show the plant to behave in a healthy normal growth pattern.
8. Depth of coloration – of the plant from lime green to deep dark green (ornamental trait)
1. Resin Production and Potency – the quickness, the amount and where it is being produced will all be factors. An eye glass will be the most accurate means to view this trait.
2. Aroma – if there is a distinct aroma or something interesting to the nose.
3. Quickness to flower and release of pollen maturation and speed to reach pollen dispersal.
4. Internode spacing – based on the Fibonacci ratio of 1:1.6, this ratio is used in many applications, one of which is a rating of beauty and another in stability and consistency of some genetic factors in a plants makeup.
5. Leaf structure and Stature – whether it is more leaning to sativa or indica and how the plant grows in visible structure.
6. Resistance to hermaphrodism – no visible signs that the male flower has any naturally occurring female pistilates combined within the male flower.
7. Vigor and fitness – visible factors that show the plant to behave in a healthy normal growth pattern.
8. Depth of coloration – of the plant from lime green to deep dark green (ornamental trait)
I'm of the understanding that all herm traits are the result of females going whacky. If that's truly the case then, no, males cannot herm.
The only way to really know what is genetically encoded is to have it tested. This can be done at several locations across the US if you can get a sample to a lab.
I would do exactly as you have described in the first post.
The only way to really know what is genetically encoded is to have it tested. This can be done at several locations across the US if you can get a sample to a lab.
I would do exactly as you have described in the first post.
Lammy
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Yes males can hermi. I had a Panama Red male grow female flowers after being treated poorly and forgotten about. I have no doubt about my evaluation that it was definitely a male and that it definitely grew female flowers. I moved it to another room and by the time I noticed the female flowers it was already dead
When males hermie they will start grow pistils among the ball sacks, and the bad cases will flip to growing proper female buds.
A male from a Nevil's Haze/Vietnam-Apollo 11 hybrid just hermied on me.
Many times it's adviced not to use hermie plants in breeding
Kill the male with hairs, its intersex / herm and will only produce offspring with the same undesirable traits. The other males should be fine.
Shanti's guide is a bit more technical than you're going to need to be for chucking purposes. I rely on general growth habits and stem smells when rubbed. If you've run the Haze line before, you should already have a good grasp of what structure / looks / aroma you want.
If you haven't, take the males to a separate location. Cut the flowering branches off, put them in separate glasses of water (per plant) next to a window and they will continue to ripen. Turn your fans off. Use a small paint brush to manually pollinate different sides of the plant with the pollen from each male. Then mark each pollinated branch with a different zip tie / twist tie / string and you'll have A/B seeds that you can grow out to determine which male produces better offspring.
Open pollination is easier, grab the males and beat them into the female like a feather duster. Each smack roughly equals 100 beans. I should note that this method tends to lightly pollinate whatever is nearby, so make a note to yourself you may have a few extra beans.
After pollination, turn your fans back on (try to keep them off the pollinated plant).
If you care about rogue pollen: Spray the room down with water in a spray bottle to deactivate the rogue pollen. Water sprays will minimize cross pollination and protect plants you don't want pollinated. Do not spray the plant you pollinated with anything for a 5-7 days.
Shanti's guide is a bit more technical than you're going to need to be for chucking purposes. I rely on general growth habits and stem smells when rubbed. If you've run the Haze line before, you should already have a good grasp of what structure / looks / aroma you want.
If you haven't, take the males to a separate location. Cut the flowering branches off, put them in separate glasses of water (per plant) next to a window and they will continue to ripen. Turn your fans off. Use a small paint brush to manually pollinate different sides of the plant with the pollen from each male. Then mark each pollinated branch with a different zip tie / twist tie / string and you'll have A/B seeds that you can grow out to determine which male produces better offspring.
Open pollination is easier, grab the males and beat them into the female like a feather duster. Each smack roughly equals 100 beans. I should note that this method tends to lightly pollinate whatever is nearby, so make a note to yourself you may have a few extra beans.
After pollination, turn your fans back on (try to keep them off the pollinated plant).
If you care about rogue pollen: Spray the room down with water in a spray bottle to deactivate the rogue pollen. Water sprays will minimize cross pollination and protect plants you don't want pollinated. Do not spray the plant you pollinated with anything for a 5-7 days.
Lammy
Member
how would you define intersex female? And I mean that as how would you define that differently from a hermaphrodite?
Please provide peer reviewed papers that state:
1.) Male plants can not produce intersex traits
2.) Lab results of sexing have been verified by extensive scientific field trials
3.) The cannabis genome has been fully and completely mapped for all varieties.
I have no doubt that cool things are done with lab testing, but to make broad statements without scientific facts helps no one. I will be waiting because I am fairly certain, from my own research, that 1-3 are not true.
WFF
Lammy
Member
Yeah thanks for the support.
MJPassions response is the type of things that really put me off about posting on this site.
That was literally the first post I made in years. & I find the response and quoting the word know as pretty condescending. But I'm waiting for a response from MJ passion I would like to tap his great knowledge.
some people don't know how to identify a male plant. I've had plenty experience at it as well as identifying male and female based on pre flowers. That's why I said I was sure about that. Its pretty much an accepted fact that light stress and variations in the light schedule can produce Hermes in females I don't know why it's so unreasonable to think the same thing can cause what I call a reverse herme.
But perhaps I should have never logged back in in the first place. I get enough drama from Facebook. I was just trying to answer the original posters question with actual hands on experience that I've had
thanks guy for sharing experience, finally i prefer to kill the strange male, after an extra week of flowering was clear that he shows strange anomalies, was 100% a male with few little hairs. i'm sad because i selected two males in a batch of ten and i loose the haziest, the other one has an extreme stem smell , short internode and a big production of flowers and pollen. females clones are selected: soma's lavender original cut ,amnesia haze(hypro spain cut). from my last ace selection i will ad two phenotype of zamadelica, one is a carrot mango-lemon , one a thai- malawi expression (acid fruit and foxy grape smell ) and the stickiest purple haze malawi i found.
Akirabull, coincidentally I plan on crossing a ghost train Haze clone that I have with this Panama red male that I'm talking about. The GTH has the Nevils Haze in it.
nice combo i i love panamas i can't add to the room only because mine don't reveg after harvest
Akirabull, coincidentally I plan on crossing a ghost train Haze clone that I have with this Panama red male that I'm talking about. The GTH has the Nevils Haze in it.
nice combo i i love panamas i can't add to the room only because mine don't reveg after harvest
Mine was full on male till it started growing late pistils around 2-3 weeks before end of natural flowering cycle. His prefloweres were male's and it had no calyxes growing until it started growing late-pistils.
An intersex female is a female that shows any form of maleness to it & would include hermaphrodites.
A female plant that throws balls is intersex because it has both sexes but is not hermaphrodite because they dont display "perfect flowers" as defined in botany.
A perfect flower is a flower than can pollinate itself because it has both sexes within a single structure, like tomatoes & beans.
Google works just as good for you as it does for me so get to work.
Your points 2 & 3 have been done for decades already. It's obvious your outa the loop & need to use google some more.
#1 hasn't been done, to my knowledge, & shows you didn't read/comprehend my first post in this thread.
Mine was full on male till it started growing late pistils around 2-3 weeks before end of natural flowering cycle. His prefloweres were male's and it had no calyxes growing until it started growing late-pistils.
I'd have thought male herm at first too but I've heard of evidence that there are several defferent types of intersex expressions that occur in cannabis, all female XX through DNA testing.
I'd like to acquire the text book that explains it but funds are short so going on what others have said, quoting from that text. I think it was Allard...
akirabull,
You can use the strange male if you like. You never know what you will find. From experience, I'll say that intersex plants do not always produce intersex offspring. I don't care to use intersex plants to breed with but accidents happen & seeds form & get planted with surprising results.
Lammy
Member
So basically you responded to me like that just to tell me that a male with herme traits is considered an intersex female by your definition?
Thanks a lot for the reply buddy.
Lammy
Member
are you telling me that you've grown female cannabis plants that will not produce male sex organs under any circumstance? I find that hard to believe. but perhaps your experience isn't as vast or superior as you would think.
