Crazy Chester
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It's a mystery for sure! But, I'm speculating that, since a male has both an "x" and a "y" - it can produce all those combinations in its selfed seeds, just like it does in combination with a true "xx" female.
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"Male hermies arent bad"
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It's a mystery for sure! But, I'm speculating that, since a male has both an "x" and a "y" - it can produce all those combinations in its selfed seeds, just like it does in combination with a true "xx" female.
Deleted user 97766655
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This is maybe complimentary Epistasis and maybe working with two chromosomes that will work with Y and X not exclusive? Or maybe it has another chromosome that is can talk to male but needs hormone to trigger it and the chromosome is like some form of soma-clonal action that lies dormant and fires up during stress. Kinda like acetylsalicylic acid maybe methylic or methylation?
I think you observed something and I missed and my mind goes back to your observation. You said male was first and then female came second that why I think some other chromosome in another chromosome complex gets fired up from some stress.
I think you observed something and I missed and my mind goes back to your observation. You said male was first and then female came second that why I think some other chromosome in another chromosome complex gets fired up from some stress.
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Deleted user 97766655
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But Y chromosome needs X to make pollen? Just saying I don’t know if all work done on one chromosome but maybe multiple that is why I think possible Epistatic help? What do you think Chester?
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But. YY don’t have the right or complete sequence to produce pollen maybe but never tried to grow selfed male hehe. I spose I could put theory to test for YY produces only males ?
Crazy Chester
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I think I'm in way over my head on the biology of it all!
Mudballs2.0
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I think this is right...only the females are self compatible in many species
Deleted user 97766655
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I think you have a good plant and I would clone it for research have some ideas but can’t put them together but might be completely off the genetic rails so to speak.
Deleted user 97766655
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I think you brought the right thoughts to this very grateful for you!
Crazy Chester
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I still have the plant too.
Deleted user 97766655
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Tell what you are thinking or like me spinning hehe. I knew this was great topic. Still only guessing Mudballs tell me more about that. I have a paper one of my mentors gave me and need to read it but it is very hard and he suggested I come here so it makes sense.
Deleted user 97766655
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I think you are lucky
hehe
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Maybe the Y chromosome is defective and needs X mitochondria to finish gene sequence to form whole protein and two Y’s are incomplete and sterile. Could make whole field of clones YY never set seeds? Or makes sterile seeds but just being goofy hehe ignorance is bliss!I think you are lucky
Mudballs2.0
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Self incompatible (SI) vs. Self Compatible search results
en.m.wikipedia.org
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Best picture in existence of a male flower WITH female stigma...this is textbook crazy biology discussed in links i spammed..according to what is accepted, this should not be able to produce a viable zygote (recombination) without a fem chromosome.
Self-incompatibility - Wikipedia
Best picture in existence of a male flower WITH female stigma...this is textbook crazy biology discussed in links i spammed..according to what is accepted, this should not be able to produce a viable zygote (recombination) without a fem chromosome.
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Mudballs2.0
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GrandpaMillenial
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Updated my thoughts on this, no herms in my cannabis breeding ever.
Plants that have full herm, in the trash.
Plants that show as male, then grow pistils, in the trash.
Female plants that throw naners, in the trash.
Males that have pistils poppin out of a male flower, in the trash.
Male plant with Trichomes… Giggity, but still gonna give him the smoke test.
Updated my thoughts on this, no herms in my cannabis breeding ever.
Plants that have full herm, in the trash.
Plants that show as male, then grow pistils, in the trash.
Female plants that throw naners, in the trash.
Males that have pistils poppin out of a male flower, in the trash.
Male plant with Trichomes… Giggity, but still gonna give him the smoke test.
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100%Maybe you are saying empty your cup for your intelligence is holding you down and need to zoom out and see it from bigger picture? I won’t argue for too ignorant right now but like you say keep minds eye open and let go of prejudices. Yes engineer too and hard to unshackle ego when I work with dead stuff. This is to me where science x nature = magic; don’t know how I would prove that theory. I will try to listen and ask questions for I feel the passion and that is why I am here.
Thank you.
'dobt let science kill the magic of the mystery'
We've seen Mendellian genetic theory break down when applied to cannabis. So its not profound or ridiculous that other lab-based theories of plants break down when applied to cannabis.
Mudballs2.0
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Over at breedbay if you search my name youll see me play around with trifoliates. The interesting take away from that would be the amount of trifoliates i saw in the amount of seeds i popped. That's where the rabit hole of aneuploidy started...it's just absolutely bonkers and bottomless.
Teachers already went in the deep end and we're just watching the new ones as they get in the water so nobody drowns.
Teachers already went in the deep end and we're just watching the new ones as they get in the water so nobody drowns.
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Wow!Ive had a few males throw pistils out of the male flower, Ive had resinous males, and the male plant with a few female flowers.
The XY chromosomes are basically the main switch between male and female. Infact in human biology some of blueprint for the male organ lives on the X chromosome.
Although most of the genes responsible for penis size live along the X chromosome, “there are some genes in the Y chromosome that have links to penile lengths and size,”
Is Penis Size Genetic?
Penis size is hereditary, but a mix of variables, from genetics to environmental factors, determine whether a baby will be well-endowed.www.fatherly.com
sooo ahhh, thanks mom…
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but more seriously, these blueprints need to get triggered to build the structures they contain.
and that is done through hormones. our favorite plant is much more gender fluid than humans and the sex organs come and go via revegging.
It seems that some plants are just natural herms, with full on male and female inflorescence.
yet others are easily triggered to throw opposing flower parts. I see a pistil coming out of a male flower the same way as i see a nanner comming out of a female flower. I believe that is a stress induced hermaphrodite.
On that working theory I believe that cannabis have a stress threshold, to much stress and your throwing opposing sex organs.
So breeding with a girl who throws nanners or a male with pistils you are also breeding in more stress insensitivity.
Working with a natural herm is gonna put natural herm genetics that are very difficult to work out.
But a resinous male would be my first choice.
That being said, i’ve smokes some potent hermies.
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