Luigi Mangione
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Eltitoguay
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...If my translation is correct, this is another communist dog wanting to force the State to "give away" (with taxpayers' money, I guess right?) 15 minutes of charity to the poor....
Captain Red Eye
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Charity doesn't come from the barrel of a gun though.
Didn't Chairman Mao teach you guys anything about what does?
Eltitoguay
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"Charity doesn't come from the barrel of a gun though."
Have you understood once and for all, Robin Hood and Don Quixote??... Yes, I'm talking to you two, who were two other communist dogs...: what you try was not charity, but rather, "social redistribution"...
Have you understood once and for all, Robin Hood and Don Quixote??... Yes, I'm talking to you two, who were two other communist dogs...: what you try was not charity, but rather, "social redistribution"...
Captain Red Eye
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Robin Hood, took money back from the oppressors / government overlords and RETURNED it to people or so the fable goes.
Universal forced payment for everyone whether they agree or not, TAKES money from the people and redirects it to the government.
Hay una diferencia!
vea la diferencia
Captain Red Eye
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No argument with your claim, but now what?
Identifying that billionaires benefit from the present system does not give people the right to force other people to pay for their ideas if the other people are disinterested but peaceful.
how bout a kind of built- in "exit" that we as individuals can take feom the social contract?
you stop paying taxes and stop using anything that the government help build/ develop like the internet... or roads.
i'm teasing, but i still do wonder what your in- the- meantime solution is....
you stop paying taxes and stop using anything that the government help build/ develop like the internet... or roads.
i'm teasing, but i still do wonder what your in- the- meantime solution is....
Captain Red Eye
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Anything consenting people want to do, as long as it doesn't violate other peoples rights.
That would likely mean several different models for free people to chose from. It's none of my business to dictate a master plan, nor should it be.
Also, there isn't really a social contract and if there were, it certainly wouldn't grant some people rights to trample on others rights. Who would agree to that shit?
this is what you should have said., so i fixed it for you.
YOUR opinion, and many people (enough that you don't get your way) disagree.
Captain Red Eye
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You censor people's words and want to force your ideas on them, while insinuating they are the selfish ones. Okaaaaay. Loosen up your mask and get some air please.
Roads can easily be maintained by whoever owns them charging individuals a use fee. A person's home should not have an automatic lien on it to maintain roads. That's draconian and is a bad idea.
Law enforcement becomes meaningless if it includes enforcement of victimless crime type laws. You want to give them money to arrest your neighbors for growing a plant? Didn't think that one out very well did you?
If you eat crappy food and poison yourself, you want others to pick up the tab for your medical issues?
Where does that end? You think the rest of us should be on the hook for fixing your crappy truck too?
I'm sorry your wife wears the pants and forced you to drive the truck she picked out for you.
Captain Red Eye
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Did you read the fine print in your silly social contract? It says you pay and they decide.
I'm sure you will take responsibility and turn yourself in for being complicit in murder?
Eltitoguay
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Ha, ha, ha... "There are many models that free people could choose from".... ...I can already see people grouping together in currents of opinion according to their preferred "model", having to choose (elections? the majority wins; or if there is always a "true free spirit" out there, who "does not consent" to the choices of others...) between "models", and then having to ensure that this "model" is developed and respected....
"It none of my business to dictate a master plan, nor should it be."
Ha, that's the best part... It sounds like: "I have no fucking idea how to achieve that world of "totally free individuals in a free capitalism to infinity and beyond"; but I don't care either, because what I do know is that I want to destroy the Welfare State."
So, in the end it is only about the same thing:
Ultra-neoliberalism trying to privatize and make a business out of the last public services that can remain in the hands of the State (which in democracy and the more democracy, is more and more of the society aka people).
Continue stealing from contributing workers to give to the rich, and in the process get rid of the poor who do not contribute and have very little capacity to consume capitalist goods (although the ultra-neoliberal Reagan administration previously exploited that very little economic capacity by offering them crack at "irresistible" prices), with the excuse that they also "enjoy" public rights.
That, plus the probable social crime that means letting even more people die who cannot pay for their cancer treatment, their transplant, etc., because they cannot pay the millionaire rates of the companies of your "friends", the "free and unlimited capitalists."
Your "Totally Free Capitalism VS Crony Capitalism" is nothing more than the old Marxist-Leninist differentiation of "Ultra-free Capitalism VS Capitalism tending towards corporatism/monopolies/imperialism"... And it is the first, your sacrosanct ultra-free capitalism, which is behind and is self-interestedly directed towards the second, which is nothing more than a way of being able to develop and grow, of the first
(in Marxist language: "Crony-corporatist-monopolist-imperialist Capitalism" is only a superstructure of Ultra-Free Capitalism.")
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so why do YOU participate, you genocidal maniac?!?!Did you read the fine print in your silly social contract? It says you pay and they decide.
I'm sure you will take responsibility and turn yourself in for being complicit in murder?
bullshit. nobody stopping anyones speech, certainly not me, nor would i want anyone else to do it. sorry.... nobody is required to build you a stage to shout from though.
i was wondering how long it would take you to say that, lol! don't laws just suck? how on earth do you sleep at night knowing that you are profitting from others tax money in ways that they don't necessarily approve of... .
TV talk show host & fake doctor says we have no right to health care. sociopathic human that deserve a guillotine.
these idiots dont realize that anyone who pays private health care, are paying into the network they belong to and are paying for the other people when they themselves are not using those funds. the irony is, housing every homeless person in the US is significantly cheaper than moving them around and doing bullshit.
Captain Red Eye
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bullshit. nobody stopping anyones speech, certainly not me, nor would i want anyone else to do it. sorry.... nobody is required to build you a stage to shout from though.
i was wondering how long it would take you to say that, lol! don't laws just suck? how on earth do you sleep at night knowing that you are profitting from others tax money in ways that they don't necessarily approve of... .
When you alter another person's speech or writing to "correct" their thinking, it's a form of censorship.
Only the government gets to redefine the meanings of words. Thought you knew that?
Nobody is required to build me a stage, good point. I wouldn't force them to either, I don't have that
right, nobody does. Only slave masters and their ilk force people to do shit like that .
Social Contract
If you don't approve of some laws, would it be safe to say your "social contract" violates your consent at least in some ways? I think the evidence says yes.
Does a contract which violates your consent even if you are an otherwise peaceful person protect or deny your freedom of choice? Clearly it denies your freedom of choice.
I'm puzzled why you would complain about anything politically. By your own words, you admit you are in a contract where "they" can do whatever they like and you must obey. Since that's the case maybe stop bitching and get picking cotton., you wanted a one way "contract". You even DEFEND their one way contract.
That's not bad enough, you defend them doing it to other people too. Have you heard of slave on slave violence? That's what you defending your masters "contract", lies and violent actions remind me of. You aren't alone though, there are some that might even be more heavily indoctrinated. You at least admitted some of the beatings master does to you, might not be agreeable to you. You freedom rebel, you!
What is the word commonly used when a person(s) takes your money under threat of force to fund things you never asked for and don't want or use? Extortion. You've been taught to use another word when your masters do it though haven't you?
What is the phrase commonly used when a person defends their captor or extorter? Stockholm Syndrome. It's a coping mechanism to avoid the reality of a situation.
Captain Red Eye the bad slave
I pay for roads, and I should, because I use them. The way the billing works is unjust though. It would be more just to have a point of use payment. like a grocery store. You pay for what you put in your cart etc.,
I don't like that a person's home has an automatic lien on it to fund local roads and to fund government schools which are basically idiot factories. There are other ways to fund roads which are more ethical and fair. I bet given a little while you could even think of some.
I'm disappointed by proxy you and your fellow mental slaves argue for funding prohibition and wars etc. That's kind of a masochistic point of view. You have every right to be an obedient masochist, no right to put other people in your rubber ball mouth thing though, if they choose different.
You don't even have a safe word do you?
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Captain Red Eye
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Ha, ha, ha... "There are many models that free people could choose from".... ...I can already see people grouping together in currents of opinion according to their preferred "model", having to choose (elections? the majority wins; or if there is always a "true free spirit" out there, who "does not consent" to the choices of others...) between "models", and then having to ensure that this "model" is developed and respected....
"It none of my business to dictate a master plan, nor should it be."
Ha, that's the best part... It sounds like: "I have no fucking idea how to achieve that world of "totally free individuals in a free capitalism to infinity and beyond"; but I don't care either, because what I do know is that I want to destroy the Welfare State."
So, in the end it is only about the same thing:
Ultra-neoliberalism trying to privatize and make a business out of the last public services that can remain in the hands of the State (which in democracy and the more democracy, is more and more of the society aka people).
Continue stealing from contributing workers to give to the rich, and in the process get rid of the poor who do not contribute and have very little capacity to consume capitalist goods (although the ultra-neoliberal Reagan administration previously exploited that very little economic capacity by offering them crack at "irresistible" prices), with the excuse that they also "enjoy" public rights.
That, plus the probable social crime that means letting even more people die who cannot pay for their cancer treatment, their transplant, etc., because they cannot pay the millionaire rates of the companies of your "friends", the "free and unlimited capitalists."
Your "Totally Free Capitalism VS Crony Capitalism" is nothing more than the old Marxist-Leninist differentiation of "Ultra-free Capitalism VS Capitalism tending towards corporatism/monopolies/imperialism"... And it is the first, your sacrosanct ultra-free capitalism, which is behind and is self-interestedly directed towards the second, which is nothing more than a way of being able to develop and grow, of the first
(in Marxist language: "Crony-corporatist-monopolist-imperialist Capitalism" is only a superstructure of Ultra-Free Capitalism.")
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Which entity (entities) prevents peaceful people from making their own choices now ?
I don't care for making distinctions in WHO gets to control peaceful people. You do that.
I'm not interested in debating which master or forcible system would be best. The fact they ALL strip people of rights is my concern.
I'm interested in having no masters and maximizing peaceful choices. You aren't trying to do that or even considering that as a viable possibility.
If you are concerned about "Letting people die", why would you sanctify using force against disinterested and otherwise peaceful people to make them pay for your ideas?
Will you hurt or kill them if they disobey?
Captain Red Eye
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When a person is wrongfully imprisoned and eats the food the prison provides, is that being a hypocrite?
I raise much of my own food, drive ancient vehicles (maintain them myself) and haven't had a wage slave job for quite awhile. Probably too old to even if I were inclined. I live a simple life to avoid enslaving my fellow man as best I can under the situations all of us are forced into. I am not genocidal, nor a maniac. I'm like a bigfoot. except I'm slightly better looking and pictures of me aren't always blurry.
so we are BOTH in prison, why are you shaming the other prisoners?
as a prisoner, i'm going "i don't see how we can feasibly escape" and you're going "quit gargling the warden's nuts, prison is imprisonment!"
