Looking for God Bud seeds JOTI circa 2004

[Shmavis]

Hey friend, glad to see you’re still around too. I figured if you were you’d bump this thread.

If they make it above ground, I do not give up on ‘em - only they can give up on themselves. To that point, one did not come along for the ride - leaving me with six - and two manifested some mutations of which one is coming out of nicely, whereas the other is still struggling. It essentially topped itself and is exhibiting some funky growth at the nodes. I think it will come around though. Looks as though it’ll be one of the fatter leaved ones. As of now I have my eye on the one in the back right corner.

If all goes as planned I will have some seeds to share - if you’d like.

Happy Sunday!

 

[Nirrity]

i sure will

ok,if we are picking favs my bet goes for the front right one)

 

[Shmavis]

Nirrity Well you rooted for the early mutated slow-to-start underdog and in doing so picked a nice looking male. He caught up to the others rather quickly. And surprisingly of 25+ seedlings started at the same time he is only the second to show sex - so appears he might be a fast one. Even more surprising is the first plant to show sex was another God Bud, a girl. And she beat him to it by about five days!

Really wish I would’ve kept track of which ones started out purple… not sure why I didn’t other than to think it insignificant once they greened up like the others. But now that I have some that are clearly green and others with purple petioles and purple striping on the stalk I can’t help but wonder if they’re the same ones to start out purple. Here’s a comparison pic with a green one and a purple one (and it’s not the male but another currently unsexed green one.)

Shouldn't be much longer till they're all sexed and then potted up and flipped to see what's what.

 

[Nirrity]

fingers crossed them girls and boys really are the god bud's progeny. speaking of green and purple phenos, there is probably an expected f2 segregation of genetics involved, are you taking clones Shmavis? just not to miss some unknown gems in case there will be any. they look like a proper indica to me

 

[Shmavis]

It would be great to know which offering was used to make the F2s and from when... are they from JOTI's original offering? No idea. But I agree they're proper indica. To that point, I am finding it hard to take cuts as none of them are eager to produce laterals, but yes, I plan to do so. I even want to take a cut from the male. Only waiting on one more to show sex. The early mutant that topped itself is still holding out but I am pretty sure it's a girl. So looks as though there will only be one boy, and five girls. I did take cuts from a few but they were so little and fresh I am not sure if they'll take. I haven't been able to take a cut from the one that caught my eye early on. I thought inducing flowering would get her to stretch out some lats for a couple cuts but one week later and still nothing.

Here she is:

Two sisters I did get cuts from but you can see how little lateral stretching at one week into flower.

The boy is still under 24hrs light and doing a little better branching out, but still keeping it rather tight.

Happy Sunday!

 

[Shmavis]

Very happy that one of the four cuts rooted nicely. Have never tried such small cuts before, don’t think any of the four were over two inches. And when I look at my early pick now at day 22 of flower I feel very lucky to have gotten that cut to root. She simply did not want to throw laterals, even with added gas.

Have established cuts of two others as well. The early mutant that topped herself never branched out enough to even consider trying, just nothing. That leaves the outlier. I took two cuts from her but neither has rooted and at this point do not think they will… this girl had me falling for the old mistake of faster, taller, bigger being a male. One of the last ones to show sex she shows more deficiencies and some dislike of one sort or another (more so when she was vegging). Big fan leaves that border on freakishly big. She drinks like a fish, is a good deal taller than the rest and actually branched out somewhat. She’s growing on me more and more and seems the further along into flower she goes, the happier she’s getting. We’ll see.

Will be dusting the girls this weekend.

 

[Nirrity]

Will be dusting the girls this weekend.

 

[Shmavis]

(thought you might like that.)

Some looks at the big girl, day 25. Impressive resin coverage for this early.

(I hope the new forum software allows for full resolution... even at "fullsize" posted pics aren't as vivid as pre-post.)

 

[browntrout]

(thought you might like that.)

Some looks at the big girl, day 25. Impressive resin coverage for this early.





(I hope the new forum software allows for full resolution... even at "fullsize" posted pics aren't as vivid as pre-post.)

Dang she is frosty! And looks to be on the faster side. Can you comment on aroma?

 

[Shmavis]

browntrout I can sure try... the big girl would best be described as earthy/hashy smelling. Thankfully no two smell alike. One of them has a more chemical nose with hints of pine, makes me think of Pine-Sol but much more muted. One of them is fresh, light and slightly fruity, but not citrusy, more like a pear smell. One I swear has notes of vanilla and a mix of other notes that are hard to pin down. And another has chocolatey/coffee notes. Unfortunately none of them are powerful, I hope that changes with time. And even more disappointing for me is no skunky notes as of now... was really hoping for some loud skunky terps. At this point I am underwhelmed by the aromas but maybe that'll change. Hope this helps.

 

[Nirrity]

...has a more chemical nose with hints of pine...

interesting

..Unfortunately none of them are powerful, I hope that changes with time. And even more disappointing for me is no skunky notes as of now... was really hoping for some loud skunky terps. At this point I am underwhelmed by the aromas but maybe that'll change.

lets hope the overall terpenes:THC ratio will be good, that means if they have lower thc than other modern hybrids then it still will have good effect. besides, terpenes have different olfactory thresholds: caryophyllene dominant strain will not be as stinky as myrcene/limonene dominant. sour diesel commonly described as a stinker, but i almost never saw a sd terpene test exceeding 3% total, meanwhile i saw some hybrids with a whopping 6%..
heres a good article on how different terpenes interact on our nose. it is about vodka coctails though, but contains some interesting info and digits to think about

 

[browntrout]

interesting

lets hope the overall terpenes:THC ratio will be good, that means if they have lower thc than other modern hybrids then it still will have good effect. besides, terpenes have different olfactory thresholds: caryophyllene dominant strain will not be as stinky as myrcene/limonene dominant. sour diesel commonly described as a stinker, but i almost never saw a sd terpene test exceeding 3% total, meanwhile i saw some hybrids with a whopping 6%..
heres a good article on how different terpenes interact on our nose. it is about vodka coctails though, but contains some interesting info and digits to think about

I've always thought the original God bud would be off the charts on sesquiterpenes, I've never seen a flavor so pronounced, delicious and complex. A flavor that lingers in the mouth for hours even. From what I understand of God Bud and Jordan was that he successively outcrossed GB throughout the years and the 2004 stock is the only reference of it being amazingly tasty that I have. I hadn't grown much of it myself but the aromas come out more so after drying. She should smell like tropical Hawaiian , lavender and dry berries, some other savory/spice notes as well. I wonder if what I seek was a complete freak even out of the 2004 stock.

But...@shamvis, it is good that you have variety, indicative of an less inbred and potentially older seed stock/release. I hope you will clone a few and run those also, i was told the seed line wasn't as good as she was from clone in all aspects.

 

[Nirrity]

I've always thought the original God bud would be off the charts on sesquiterpenes, I've never seen a flavor so pronounced, delicious and complex. A flavor that lingers in the mouth for hours even...

why do you bind that with sesquiterpenes?

anyway, as this thread established a few pages earlier, there were 2 god bud lines: joti and dave/dan van pot ones. it could be Shmavis is running dvp progeny. or could be something else altogether. hats off to Shmavis for taking risks and investing his time and efforts into checking the unknown seeds.

 

[browntrout]

why do you bind that with sesquiterpenes?

anyway, as this thread established a few pages earlier, there were 2 god bud lines: joti and dave/dan van pot ones. it could be Shmavis is running dvp progeny. or could be something else altogether. hats off to Shmavis for taking risks and investing his time and efforts into checking the unknown seeds.

I completely agree, Shamvis is doing something few of us were willing to do. Excited to see the results. No question that it’s heritage is unknown and could belong to any of the versions out there.

sesquiterpenes, from my understanding these are less volatile terpenes. She has a very unique scent and highly pronounced taste I’ve not seen in any other strains except it’s progeny. The taste imprints itself down to the roach and in your mouth. It is an opinion, if you are well versed in terpenes I’d be interested to know what you think. She also keeps her smell/taste even in poorer curing techniques.

The little data I’ve seen compared with its bud didn’t lead me down a path that made me feel the testing was directly comparable to real world perceptions. In which case I haven’t followed or tested further.

 

[browntrout]

I've always thought the original God bud would be off the charts on sesquiterpenes, I've never seen a flavor so pronounced, delicious and complex. A flavor that lingers in the mouth for hours even. From what I understand of God Bud and Jordan was that he successively outcrossed GB throughout the years and the 2004 stock is the only reference of it being amazingly tasty that I have. I hadn't grown much of it myself but the aromas come out more so after drying. She should smell like tropical Hawaiian , lavender and dry berries, some other savory/spice notes as well. I wonder if what I seek was a complete freak even out of the 2004 stock.

But...@shamvis, it is good that you have variety, indicative of an less inbred and potentially older seed stock/release. I hope you will clone a few and run those also, i was told the seed line wasn't as good as she was from clone in all aspects.

by clone being better then seed, I did not mean the original clone, I meant a clone taken from the seed plant.

 

[Nirrity]

for now the info i got so far made me think that couchlock indicas are caryophyllene dominant varieties. sour bubble, death star, tashkenti etc are all caryophyllene dominant. that doesn't mean caryophyllene is the sole "couchlock" terpene. caryophyllene coupled with myrcene is probable the "couchlock indica" combo. but sesquitepenes (caryophyllene, humulene, nerolidol, etc) are not really smelly. most stinki terpenes are monoterpenes: limonene, myrcene, linalool. pinene and terpinolene, though monoterpenes, has rather high olfactory threshold - means they are not really strong odor to our nose. all that being said what i meant is stinky plants are mostly high on monoterpenes. high sesquiterpenes strains (sour bubble, gsc, desth star, , zkittlez) are not that stinky, or - better say - they are not stinky because of mostly sesquiterpenes. not trying to preach here, just sharing the info i got at the moment.

 

[Shmavis]

Thanks guys for the conversation on terpenes - even if it is all a bit over my head.

I downloaded the article on molecules and will see if I can make sense of what is being said when I have a bit of free time.

I do plan on running some cuts. These plants really should’ve vegged much longer before flowering but time and space did not allow for that. To that point, I couldn’t see much reason to pollinate all the girls as they branched out so little and the buds are rather small. So having three established cuts from the five girls I pollinated a few lowers of the two girls I wasn’t able to get cuts from. Those were the big girl and the self-topper. So the plan is to veg the three cuts into mothers to be able to take multiple cuts from each. I have the collected pollen from the male and when the time comes if for one reason or another the pollen doesn’t take I will have a small pool of reg seeds from which I can find a male (or males) to pollinate the cuts with. I took three cuts from the male but so far no sign of rooting. I will also attempt to re-veg the big girl and self-topper. And more than likely I will attempt to reverse my favorite girl. A lot of “what ifs” ahead but I have given myself to the end of summer to determine if I am on a fool’s errand or not. (From now until then the only other plan is to pop a pack of PTK somewhere within that timeframe.)

Within the next year I will pop my pack of G-SUS (V2) and see if any combinations might make sense. The original version likely would’ve used God Bud circa ’04 stock (speculation on my part, Charles being Canadian perhaps he had access to earlier stock). And V2 used males from F2s of the original. The description:

“G-sus has returned After many requests and stellar grow reports we have brought back the King of kings , we actually lost a decent god strain most are not what they once were last year we received our own G-sus f-2 seeds back from a customer we found a stellar trio of God Dom males that we used to pollinate the G13 AB clone test outstanding consistent seedlings slow to veg but yields are really high much stronger than God bud on its own .”

If my memory serves correct Charles has said somewhere (I think in the '15 thread) that his G13 AB is a blank palette adding primarily yield and potency while allowing males to pass along terps and effect...

The self-topper won’t produce many seeds but the big girl having actually produced some lower laterals should give a decent amount. Here’s the self-topper:

Not great pics but shows structure, lack of branching and small (seeded) buds.

Group of the three with established cuts:

browntrout you thought the big girl looked fast, check out her sister - holy smokes! Day 36:

Some looks at my early pic:

So looks as though the big girl and the one labeled #2 are going to be very fast to finish and more like one another with the other two being more similar to one another. The last of the three I labeled as FF for 'first to flower' since she showed sex way before any other plant in a multi-strain garden.

Onward!

 

[therevverend]

I got interested in God Bud again because a buddy of mine has been growing an Apricot Helix the last couple years. It's (707 Headband x SFV OG) X God Bud. Awesome stuff, smells and tastes wonderful. Did some breeding with males, got a few Helix X (grape ape select x bubblegum) going this year.

It got me interested in getting the original God Bud. Noticed JotI was back, found 'him' on Instagram and he still has it. I sent him a rambling message trying to bullshit him into either trading or giving me some God Bud seeds. No reply. Probably not going to buy any because I have access to Helix which may be an improvement and no info on what the next generation is like. I wonder who is JotI, is it really the original guy or is it a descendent or new money grubbing dude or what. I figure if he was an old stoner he'd be more likely to at least bullshit me back. The pictures and descriptions look legit.

 

[browntrout]

I got interested in God Bud again because a buddy of mine has been growing an Apricot Helix the last couple years. It's (707 Headband x SFV OG) X God Bud. Awesome stuff, smells and tastes wonderful. Did some breeding with males, got a few Helix X (grape ape select x bubblegum) going this year.

It got me interested in getting the original God Bud. Noticed JotI was back, found 'him' on Instagram and he still has it. I sent him a rambling message trying to bullshit him into either trading or giving me some God Bud seeds. No reply. Probably not going to buy any because I have access to Helix which may be an improvement and no info on what the next generation is like. I wonder who is JotI, is it really the original guy or is it a descendent or new money grubbing dude or what. I figure if he was an old stoner he'd be more likely to at least bullshit me back. The pictures and descriptions look legit.

Yo Rev! He’s been back for a few years. I grew a few of his god crosses, 4-5 years ago. Blue god, OG x GOd (OH God maybe). And something else. Nothing resembled what I knew god as. I feel like he may have needs working with a different god line since. But from what i know he kept crossing things to the purple skunk and 2004 was the money year, who knows what was bred into it after that

 

[Wuachuma]

I found some old seeds of God Bud x XLNT from the ol Skunk forum
I never got around to popping any of em

XLNT is Grapefruit x White Rhino