Looking for God Bud seeds JOTI circa 2004

[mr underhill]

Back when I first started looking at buying seeds somewhere abouts '09 one of my first purchases was God Bud from BCBD. I fell for the high times ads and didn't know any better. The first pack they sent didn't germ and then someone from BCBD used my cc to buy a plane ticket to Russia and shop at Auto Zone so I had to cancel it. But they sent a second pack that came from Holland instead of Canada and 10 years and hundreds of strains later the replacement godbud pack that came via Holland is still one of my favorite of them all. I loved the purpling on the undersides of the fan leaves and the tropical lavender berry smell reminded me of the best Hawaiian herbs of my youth. More than anything I loved the happy, warm-blanket potency. The original God clone must have been something special.

the god bud high should feel like a lift off sensation in the forhead by the third toke. Then the jaw clenching amphetamine like rush sets in and finally mellows to a wonderful daytime smoke. It's one of those Indica dom hybrids that has a ride like a fine sativa.
I'll deliver some pics within a few weeks, I promise.

 

[Nirrity]

the god bud high should feel like a lift off sensation in the forhead by the third toke. Then the jaw clenching amphetamine like rush sets in and finally mellows to a wonderful daytime smoke. It's one of those Indica dom hybrids that has a ride like a fine sativa...

if that is the case there are must be differencies between dvp's and joti's versions. dvp's one sounds like a heavy relaxing couchlock/euphoric indica. icmag has 3 smoke reports on dvp's god bud, all sounding similar. this is the effect i am after, if joti god bud is more sativa i'd pass.

Upon inhalin this rankness just overwhelms your tastebuds. But before you can comprehend the taste the smoke expands in your longues.... and just about at that time your eye lids become so heavy that you begin to slouch slightly. This warm fuzzy vibe flows from your core to your extremities. You feel happy and secure, no paranoia in this bud (unless your driving LOL-- then again im always noided when im driving.) very much couchlock weed, you'll start talkin about the pros and cons of gettin up to get a class of water. This weed has the potential to knock you out, very nice indica pot and im glad to have her in my stable.


first hits you like someone is wrapping a warm fuzzy blanket over you
...then it makes your body feel heavy and relaxed...
...
nice long lasting all around buzz...though a bit too heavy/laid back at times


They all have a similar high. It is fairly immediate, not creeper. Lots of expansion, and can make you bust your lungs if your not careful. Usually makes me cough. It’s a very heavy high, lots of indica. Makes me sleepy and my brain doesn’t work as sharp. Good weed for more passive activities, like reading a book or listening to music or watching something funny. I don’t get much done after smoking it. God Bud has a very strong body high. I don’t have any physical afflictions, but I imagine this would be very good medicine if one did. It is extremely potent, and long lasting. I’m always amazed at how little I have to smoke to feel real good. If I feel like overdoing it a little, this plant has no problem getting me there. Many people I've smoked with won't finish a joint with me. I definitely, and highly recommend this strain. It is easy to grow, yields well, and has an awesome high. Its very stinky and I think odor control is a must.

[edit] it seems god bud is a typical controversy cannabis drama.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=9276

DVP's god bud is the God X HawaiianX Purple Indica. He entered it through BCBD seed company in the seed cup division and won first place for Indica seed cup division. DVP is the breeder of the award winning God Bud.
What is in Jordans God Bud is anyones guess....
Award winning God Bud seeds were sold at BCBD's site, but they have since parted ways.

What it was named before he worked with it I dont know. Jordans God Bud and DVP's God Bud are two different types all together. I havent tried Jordans GB but I have heard it was shit. I dunno, just what I heard.
I suppose the best way to get the right answer is to go to the horses mouth, and ask DVP yourself. Im sure he'll have his own opinons of everything.

also, the guy went by the name Dave, why both bigbag and you say it's Dan?

 

[mr underhill]

I have a question that needs to be answered here
when did BC bud depot establish itself?
How do they relate to the marc emery seedbank that predates the internet of things? (early dial up days)
I started growing in the 80's as a teenager, grew up immersed in cannabis culture and breeding circles my entire adult life. I know early Jordan stuff.
Not until I came to this site did I hear about this dvp.
I grew up a 45 minute bus ride from marc emery's first store in van which was the first BC seedbank of note. Being that back in those days I had heard of and smoked many Joti strains various friends grew out from seed, followed the cup scene up and down the west coast from open events to private cups and swaps. I can not recall a BC bud depot existing at the time. I left the scene for a few years in 2005 so can't speak to that.

The god bud cut I know is all indica in structure and bud type and the high is not a sativa high it just starts out like that at least for me.

I've sent a message thru the vine to get more info on the dvp god bud
is it possible this dvp didn't breed it but possibly found a cup winning pheno?
many folks enter stuff they didn't breed.
as for bcbd everyone I know tells me to stay farr away from that place so have never dealt with them.
If I needed seeds from old school BC breeders over the years I always dealt with Justin at the VSB. Always got what I paid for and always legit genetics.

I don't mind being proven wrong, I'm not an encyclopedia of weed, just regurgitating my own experiences.

 

[mr underhill]

from the Joti website , current format

Mostly Indica

Award-winning strain! God Bud blew the minds of the Dutch when it won the Cannabis Cup for best Indica!

This strain has made BC Bud world renowned. One of the most potent and dank strains of Cannabis in the world.
Smaller plant, darker in colour, with some of the most powerful aroma and flavour ever.
Everyone’s favourite.

Jordan of the Island’s is the Original breeder of the God Bud – first sold through Marc Emery’s Seed catalogue.

3-4 ft
8 weeks flowering time indoors
Dank, skunk powerful stone – an amped-up purple skunk from the West Coast Islands of Canada.

I don't personally believe the DVP version of this story but what do I know, I grew up where it all went down.
I sent an email to joti for some answers.

 

[Nirrity]

double post

 

[Nirrity]

mr underhill, don't take my posts personally, brother i have no horse in this race and from the other part of the globe. like i said there are 3 god bud smoke reports on icmag, and all 3 being dvp version, and all 3 describe it in similar way of a stinky heavy couchlock indica. there are some other god bud mentions here and there in some "best indica" topics, and its again dvp's god bud. i am looking for heavy couchlock euphoric indica, hence my interest, not because i'd like to take sides in the matter which is 15 years old. loosing decent strains/hybrids is what saddens me though.

 

[mr underhill]

no offense taken or meant from any posts here.
I don't do internet forums as a rule nor social media much so if I come across the wrong way I apologize. I'm a crusty f*cker and don't communicate well sometimes
weed history is important to me as a breeder, especially when it pertains to the location it originated. I am confused is all and trying to establish the links to who this dvp and when/where this bcbd originated.
I have a line worked from the original van isle god bud cut(Jordan's) my friend holds and is why I involved myself in this thread. I'm not trying to stir debate, just to find real answers.
If I can get ahold of the cut from the grower I know , maybe I can spread it around some. He won't pass around seeds though, he's a weird and very private dude LOL.

 

[Nirrity]

we are on the same page dude, i dont have facebook, instagram, twitter or what else is there. weed history is important to me as well, but i am 100% dependant on some elses opinions/povs here, as i wasnt part of any cannabis history. that means i will be biased towards someone i happen to like more, so i take it i never can be sure i know the truth, just hearsays which happen to click more with me.

If I can get ahold of the cut from the grower I know , maybe I can spread it around some. He won't pass around seeds though, he's a weird and very private dude LOL.

thank you for your efforts. im overseas though so as for me id rather prefer seeds. s1 would suffice.

 

[dannykarey]

My avatar is God Bud CBD from Reeferman.... Same one the Bud Depot sells from what Reef said.

Think I have some pics in my gallery .....

Still on the hunt .....

 

[TheBlaze]

Why not just buy seeds from JOTI then, or am I missing something? His stock not what it used to be?

 

[Nirrity]

Why not just buy seeds from JOTI then, or am I missing something? His stock not what it used to be?

according to one canadian fella whom i trust, bigbag - no, it s not. at least not god bud.

 

[TheBlaze]

I was told to look at JOTI for some nice blueberry crosses. Maybe I should just stick to my original plan of getting from Dynasty then.

Good luck with the hunt...

 

[Shmavis]

In ’05 I grew Reef’s G-SUS (G-13 x God Bud) and it easily lands in the top three every grown, for me. Around ’13 I was really wanting to find more G-SUS seeds. It looked as though Reef had disappeared, or at least his genetics weren’t available anywhere. So I grabbed a pack of JOTI’s God Bud. I had read that Reef’s AB G13 allowed the pollen donor to express itself in smell/flavor, meaning, in my mind, that most of the flavor and smell (which was excellent) was from the God Bud. How much of the knockout stone, I didn’t know, but it was my understanding that God Bud was/is a flavor bomb heavy WLD. So worth a whirl.

I grew half the pack and found tall stretchy plants. Zero resemblance to G-SUS. Lacked in smell and flavor. But all that said, and to be fair, they were grown in a less than ideal environment as I was experimenting at the time. But just the same, I was surprised at how unlike what I was expecting that they were. Started reading online and read more than a few times that JOTI no longer holds the original parental stock. And that his God Bud offering just isn’t what it was from the cup-winning days. I still have the half pack.

Beanhoarder has a newer line of Big Freeze hybrids using a BF male. Three of the offerings are of God Bud phenos as the mother. He also has a good number of God Bud hybrids with GB as the male… I bet the Block Head x God Bud would be a good one… I plan to grab the Strong God x Big Freeze. Here’s what Beanhoarder has to say about God Bud:

“I’ve always been a bit confused about the BC God clone vs Jordans Gods bud so what I used was a chosen male from Jordans God bud seeds that I’ve been inbreeding for 3 generations and crossed it back to the BC God clone.* The result was outstanding with more vigour than the parents and larger structure.* Although many showed a very unique expression, they shared an outstanding full flavour and dense frosty structure. After growing out a fair number, I just couldn’t decide which mom to pick, so being the nerd that I am, I picked my favourite three phenos.”

And about Strong God:

“Strong God. Had to choose the all out most potent specimen. Numbing stone with a smaller structure than the other two. All three God crosses are absolute flavour freaks with exceptional potency. By picking a particular pheno it tends to bias the outcome toward those traits. I haven’t grown enough of them to give percentages on the outcome. All were finished at the end of September. Also do well indoors, finishing in 7-8 weeks.”

So, sounds like we need Beanhoarder to release some God Bud seeds, not just hybrids of.

About God Bud from BC Bud Depot:

https://www.kindgreenbuds.com/marijuana-strains/bc-god-bud/

This is what never made sense to me, it’s as though BCBD lays claim to God Bud. When I always thought it was JOTI’s work. And thanks for the link, Nirrity. Not sure it helped answer any questions, but as you say, adds to the drama.


Thanks Mr. Underhill for digging for info, I too am interested, and appreciate the legwork. Looking forward to what you hear back from the website.

 

[browntrout]

In ’05 I grew Reef’s G-SUS (G-13 x God Bud) and it easily lands in the top three every grown, for me. Around ’13 I was really wanting to find more G-SUS seeds. It looked as though Reef had disappeared, or at least his genetics weren’t available anywhere. So I grabbed a pack of JOTI’s God Bud. I had read that Reef’s AB G13 allowed the pollen donor to express itself in smell/flavor, meaning, in my mind, that most of the flavor and smell (which was excellent) was from the God Bud. How much of the knockout stone, I didn’t know, but it was my understanding that God Bud was/is a flavor bomb heavy WLD. So worth a whirl.

I grew half the pack and found tall stretchy plants. Zero resemblance to G-SUS. Lacked in smell and flavor. But all that said, and to be fair, they were grown in a less than ideal environment as I was experimenting at the time. But just the same, I was surprised at how unlike what I was expecting that they were. Started reading online and read more than a few times that JOTI no longer holds the original parental stock. And that his God Bud offering just isn’t what it was from the cup-winning days. I still have the half pack.

Beanhoarder has a newer line of Big Freeze hybrids using a BF male. Three of the offerings are of God Bud phenos as the mother. He also has a good number of God Bud hybrids with GB as the male… I bet the Block Head x God Bud would be a good one… I plan to grab the Strong God x Big Freeze. Here’s what Beanhoarder has to say about God Bud:

“I’ve always been a bit confused about the BC God clone vs Jordans Gods bud so what I used was a chosen male from Jordans God bud seeds that I’ve been inbreeding for 3 generations and crossed it back to the BC God clone.* The result was outstanding with more vigour than the parents and larger structure.* Although many showed a very unique expression, they shared an outstanding full flavour and dense frosty structure. After growing out a fair number, I just couldn’t decide which mom to pick, so being the nerd that I am, I picked my favourite three phenos.”

And about Strong God:

“Strong God. Had to choose the all out most potent specimen. Numbing stone with a smaller structure than the other two. All three God crosses are absolute flavour freaks with exceptional potency. By picking a particular pheno it tends to bias the outcome toward those traits. I haven’t grown enough of them to give percentages on the outcome. All were finished at the end of September. Also do well indoors, finishing in 7-8 weeks.”

So, sounds like we need Beanhoarder to release some God Bud seeds, not just hybrids of.

About God Bud from BC Bud Depot:

https://www.kindgreenbuds.com/marijuana-strains/bc-god-bud/

This is what never made sense to me, it’s as though BCBD lays claim to God Bud. When I always thought it was JOTI’s work. And thanks for the link, Nirrity. Not sure it helped answer any questions, but as you say, adds to the drama.


Thanks Mr. Underhill for digging for info, I too am interested, and appreciate the legwork. Looking forward to what you hear back from the website.

Tried beanho outdoors God x Freeze, didn't smell much like either more freeze if anything. Anything I have ran from him outdoors has had very little smell, I think he has a breeding/growing environment that effects the progeny much like PeakSeedBcs seeds. BCBD might have something if your lucky.

The original God in my experience is a bushy small budded indica on a larger elongated frame. It breeds very true and lots of crosses made had great God flavor, so any real deal hybrid should have God very noticeable in half of the phenos. This one expressed slight herm traits indoors but was truly insanely tasty gear outdoors. The S1's of self pollination rarely showed itself, they have looked extensively and found a few 90%+ phenos or phenos with the smell/taste in different structure but have lost most of them.

 

[Nirrity]

...a breeding/growing environment that effects the progeny much like PeakSeedBcs seeds...

is it a squint towards peak's nl by any chance? just recently i've been trying to figure out why is it his nl almost always regarded as low odor strain. it seems growing conditions/soil microorganisns affect terpenes productions greatly, but i never thought or hear breeding environment can lock terpenes level genetically. interesting. please, share what you mean?

 

[Happy Times]

Bunch of other Beanhoarder God bud hybrids in another section too

I’d be most curious about the Willie’s Wonder x God bud

 

[ambertrichome]

I used to be a mod at Dan Van Pots website, before he got busted, and they took all his seeds.

Dan was the originator of the type of Godbud from BCBD.

BCBD ripped Dan off, so he left them an original clone, and took the male. He told me from then on, they were breeding the clone to some kind of Hash Plant.

I don't know where Dan is now. That was in 2005 or so.

Dan also had the original Rhino. Not White Rhino. He said it was a South African. It was very short, and squat with rock-hard buds, and very potent. Feds got all my seeds in a bust.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

https://jahseeds.ca/shop?olsPage=products/godiss&page=5

Never tried these guys. Few of there crosses sound good and the prices are fair...... If they grow good herb.

 

[mr underhill]

is it a squint towards peak's nl by any chance? just recently i've been trying to figure out why is it his nl almost always regarded as low odor strain. it seems growing conditions/soil microorganisns affect terpenes productions greatly, but i never thought or hear breeding environment can lock terpenes level genetically. interesting. please, share what you mean?

Back in the 90's Northern Lights #5 was one of the big cash crop strains in BC. The story that is widely accepted is that the bikers needed a potent quality strain that could replace BC Skunk for indoor grows because at the time, growers had not discovered the use of carbon filters and too many Skunk grow ops were getting busted.
Enter Northern Lights 5 and later in the 90's the BC Big Bud.

These strains have a very low odor profile while growing when compared to the Skunks and Chems.

Nothing to do with breeding environment as no, the environment can not lock or unlock terpenes. They are predetermined from seed.
A grower can certainly influence terpene and cannabinoid production in a specific growing plant but only to the peak of what that plant's genetics will allow.

A breeder locks in the potential of a plant in a seed thru selecting parent stock that is ideal, not by manipulations of their environment.

 

[mr underhill]

got a reply from Jordan directly.

for what it is worth, here it is. Jives with what I know to be true.


J Oti

Wed, Sep 18, 12:16 PM (19 hours ago)



to me






Hi there,

Jordan of the Islands has been breeding the God Bud since the 90s, you can find it for sale in old editions of Cannabis Canada and Cannabis Culture magazine, it pre-dates BC Bud Depot’s version by about 10 years. BC Bud Depot used Jordan’s strains for a few of their early feminized offerings, God Bud and The Purp come to mind. They are taken from Jordan genetics, BC Bud Depot is not the original breeder.

Hope this helps!
JOTI