Looking for a CCTV system...

[floralheart]

All the wiring will be inside the house, probably run through the attic.
But about locks being complicated, I disagree completely, Check out Bosnian Bills Lock Lab on youtube, this guy has been able to pick through some very "complicated" locks in mere seconds, sometimes only by raking, when they're locks that aren't supposed to be able to be opened by raking.

I see your point, but you've got to see mine. That's Bosnian Bill with a Lockpicking show on the internet, not exactly your ordinary criminal or lock man, that's a celebrity lock picker. Buy a set of picks, It's not that easy.

We had permission to break a schlage with a carpenter's hammer and it took a lot of beating just to damage the lock. And that was a door handle lock. I think we bashed it for 15 minutes, shreded it, but it was still hanging in there jamming the handle hole. Made a ton of noise. You're right, it's easier to kick it. Could have taken the hinges in less than 1 minute, again noise issues.

The whole idea is to slow someone down multiple times and create obstacles and noise, each obstacle is a chance to give up and walk away or be discovered. If someone kicks through your door and you have more doors to kick through, that's a chance to retrieve a weapon, call the police and save your life. In reality, anybody determined can get into anything. Once worked on chaining a wrought iron welded security door to a truck in the front lawn (with permission).

If you had a dog sandwiched between two locking doors leading to the main part of the house, the dog will bark while they're working on that lock and alert you, plus they have to deal with the dog and break the second lock to get into the main house. Lots of time to wake you up and get help, lots of time for them to change their mind and go away.

Those Home Depot new york stop locks are a joke and give women a false sense of security. They fork under the door handle and wedge against the floor. My mother had them, until one day I was in a mood and impatient and shoulder bumped the door destroying the lock like it wasn't there, instead of walking around the house to the free door. It's only value is as a noise maker. Same with hotel door hasps, even so, they're kind of valuable as a noise maker.

I like weird's idea about the battery powered (backup) camera system, pretty solid.

 

[floralheart]

Once dated a woman who also dated a pro thief. She was babysitting this kid who shot him in the leg with a bb gun and locked the screen door and laughed at him. This dude walked to the door, bent the frame ever so slightly with the handle with one hand disabling the lock and opened the door. Less than 5 seconds, one swift motion. Never could tell the frame was damaged. Never laid a hand on the kid. But you should have seen the look on the kids face, priceless. We all laughed.

Those dudes are out there, but they're few and far between.

 

[BigJohnny]

I like that independent power source idea. The most dangerous pro thieves are probably electricians. Of the two/three times I've experienced theivery, one was an electrician, the other two were inside jobs.

One guy robbed his self the for the insurance while I had things at his house, and because his mom was sleeping with half of a 200 person police department I got my stuff back.

I'm not sure how you would do an independent power source, but it gave me the idea to mislabel a breaker as CCTV, but have it hooked up to a relay so that when if the breaker were turned off it would activate and latch the relay which would in turn activate a siren/alarm, possibly on a backup battery source so that if the main breaker were turned off it would still sound the siren.

I'm an electromechanical engineering technician, I can come up with some pretty creative shit electrically.

 

[BigJohnny]

I see your point, but you've got to see mine. That's Bosnian Bill with a Lockpicking show on the internet, not exactly your ordinary criminal or lock man, that's a celebrity lock picker. Buy a set of picks, It's not that easy.

We had permission to break a schlage with a carpenter's hammer and it took a lot of beating just to damage the lock. And that was a door handle lock. I think we bashed it for 15 minutes, shreded it, but it was still hanging in there jamming the handle hole. Made a ton of noise. You're right, it's easier to kick it. Could have taken the hinges in less than 1 minute, again noise issues.

The whole idea is to slow someone down multiple times and create obstacles and noise, each obstacle is a chance to give up and walk away or be discovered. If someone kicks through your door and you have more doors to kick through, that's a chance to retrieve a weapon, call the police and save your life. In reality, anybody determined can get into anything. Once worked on chaining a wrought iron welded security door to a truck in the front lawn (with permission).

If you had a dog sandwiched between two locking doors leading to the main part of the house, the dog will bark while they're working on that lock and alert you, plus they have to deal with the dog and break the second lock to get into the main house. Lots of time to wake you up and get help, lots of time for them to change their mind and go away.

Those Home Depot new york stop locks are a joke and give women a false sense of security. They fork under the door handle and wedge against the floor. My mother had them, until one day I was in a mood and impatient and shoulder bumped the door destroying the lock like it wasn't there, instead of walking around the house to the free door. It's only value is as a noise maker. Same with hotel door hasps, even so, they're kind of valuable as a noise maker.

I like weird's idea about the battery powered (backup) camera system, pretty solid.

Oh I completely see your point and you're absolutely right, if I got a set of lockpicks and went to town on a normal door lock i doubt I would get in within any reasonable time.

But the other side of that is that most door locks don't even need to be "picked", you can buy a hardened steel "key" that fits into most any lock, you just turn it and it completely busts up the insides rendering the lock useless and the door open.

and more often than not it doesn't even damage the outside of the lock so you wouldn't even know anyone had broken in until you went in.
in a couple of cases the key would even still work and turn, but it wouldn't do anything.

Exactly like you say, locks are there to slow you down, but even for a complete and total n00b such as myself there are ways that require no skill, no effort, and don't take more than 5 seconds to defeat the lock.

This applies to pretty much every single make and model of lock/knob that you would use on your house.

ASSA apparently makes some damn secure locks, to the point that even Bosnian Bill has been unable to pick a few of them.

 

[BigJohnny]

So this set includes an "InstallCard" from installnet. It says on the card that "The installcard will cover the labor to mount the camera(s), run all cables, make low voltage connections to the cameras..." etc

On the front it says "installation of your surveillance product will be an additional cost...."

So it's already misleading in that it would appear to give you free installation of your system, but then tells you that it's an additional cost.

so they call me back today and they explain it to me and tell me the cost will be $100-$200 USD per camera...... fkn USD, because they're based in the US.
I ask them why the card says what it does and she basically gives me the same bullshit convoluted answer.

I finally get to the bottom of it and she tells me the card is invalid until purchased so I asked her the purchase price of the card and she responds back with " $100-$200 USD per camera" .....

what the fuckity fuck..... no free install, in fact with just 4 cameras it would be around $1200 CAD just to have them installed with this card that covers the cost of labor.

OF COURSE THE CARD COVERS THE COST OF THE LABOR, BECAUSE THE CARD COSTS EXACTLY WHAT THE LABOR COST IS.

 

[Perpetual Nooch]

A word of warning. If you can see your grow room feed over the internet or wifi or phone network, so can anyone with the knowledge of how to do it.

 

[BigJohnny]

A word of warning. If you can see your grow room feed over the internet or wifi or phone network, so can anyone with the knowledge of how to do it.

I am aware of this, if you want to find others you can even go to the Shodan website and they have an unsecured camera search..... you can see all kinds of camera feeds that have been left unsecured.

There should be some kind of security to prevent unauthorized users from viewing the feed and with a secure enough password it should prevent any randoms from viewing the feed.

 

[420somewhere]

Only if it is unsecured...

Only if it is unsecured...

A word of warning. If you can see your grow room feed over the internet or wifi or phone network, so can anyone with the knowledge of how to do it.

Use Strong passwords , try 22 character passwords.

I also have a decoy wireless router not hooked up to the network

 

[Lester Beans]

@floralheart, you need to change locations, friends, and everything. Where you live? Beirut? We talking about pot here man...wtf

 

[stoned-trout]

I can open almost any lock..it really aint that hard...if I use my quickpick I can open most common locks quick...my standard set actually takes me longer but has specialty picks...yeehaw..but I did work for locksmith once and take a course ...and have had to legally pick open quite a few diff kinds of locks over the years..not so much recently tho..I can get into your car almost as fast...lol but that's another story...I had an x10 camera setup once ..pan tilt all that shit...was a bitch setting iyt up with soft ware issues but worked ok after it all...going hard wired hidden cams next

 

[Weird]

You don't need to see your grow to monitor the perimeter. Some systems allow for notification upon motion detection.

Smart thing to do is set up a monitored perimeter that triggers your "security team" to action and a second security perimeter that requires time to breach giving said "security" time to react.

Even in completely legal scenarios with an alarm system that alerts police and fire, your response priority is weak unless you have video confirmation of crime or fire in progress.

If you want a priority response, your self or out sourced you need to know what is going on visually.

With today's connectivity and access controls and the proper resources, you can even do things like have trained protection dogs in the inner perimeter and once someone is confirmed to have breached the outer perimeter, press of the button and the dogs are released.

 

[420somewhere]

Release the Hounds..

Release the Hounds..

 

[KONY]

Don't forget steel doors and frames, or at the very least those steels door frame inserts for wood doors. Make it way harder to kick the door in.

http://www.amazon.com/Prime-Line-Products-11026-Reinforcing-Repair/dp/B00FB29LZW

 

[BigJohnny]

There are some great responses here regarding security.

Weird: I'm mostly setting up the cameras to watch the outside of the property, later down the road some might be inside.
The nightowls have a neat feature though (and maybe others do as well) where I could black out part of a feed, so IF I was watching plants, I could actually black out the area where plants might be visible...... just an example because obviously there would be other signs to tell someone what they were looking at.

I don't know about the dogs, I don't think I need to go that far.

KONY: Doors will be replaced when it comes to that point.


Speaking generally, the thieves in my area who would want to break into such a place more often than not wouldn't bother trying to get into a place that has security and cameras. Most of those types around here are the petty kind, they'd break into a house if they know nobody is home and it's unsecured.
They would have to be certain of what's in a secured place before they took the risk.

of course that doesn't mean someone wouldn't break in if they even thought it was worthwhile.

I'm lucky enough to be in a pretty good area though, near a university so like 90% of the people in the area are university students, and it's generally a pretty quiet neighborhood.
Not like the area near the college where riots frequently break out.... there was a riot about 3 years back that was so brutal it made worldwide news.