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Persianfarmer

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Hormonal gradients
Trying to understand and catch up with ya speedy Gonzales… you have an amazing brain, i think you must have adhd or a very high iq.

So in veg give auxins and in flower florigen?
Waaa did not know watering was so important or maybe i did not understand. So the closer you water at base the higher cytokinins and auxins?
What are the best sources for each? Like florigen or cytokinins?
 

Verdant Whisperer

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Trying to understand and catch up with ya speedy Gonzales… you have an amazing brain, i think you must have adhd or a very high iq.

So in veg give auxins and in flower florigen?
Waaa did not know watering was so important or maybe i did not understand. So the closer you water at base the higher cytokinins and auxins?
What are the best sources for each? Like florigen or cytokinins?
So think of cytokinins like estrogen and gibberalins like testosterone and auxins like HGH and florgen idk lol. I was said to be ADHD, didn't realize I had a beautiful mind until recently kinda of like a sleep cell genius. The plant starts with high cytokininins and auxins as the plant ages auxins decrease, as the plant grows father from the base cytokininins decrease and gibberallins take dominance. As auxins lower flowering hormone florigen increases. You can shorten flowering with with lowN and dry soil, extend flowering with high N and wet soils. The plant has preset profile then everything else effects it, it can shift hormonal profiles as it needs to based on environment. As far as other question you R what you eat, I've learned to identify profile hormonal Im all plants fruits ect just from looking at it. Some watermelons are gibberallins or cytokinin dominant some fruits are masculine or feminine or mixed but have that same variation within. For me triangle apical dominance is feminine and upside down triangle is masculine.masculine like carrot or cassava feminine like christmas tree or cannabis In general I have a Mexican seed it grow roots like a carrot though crazy.
 

Verdant Whisperer

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Trying to understand and catch up with ya speedy Gonzales… you have an amazing brain, i think you must have adhd or a very high iq.

So in veg give auxins and in flower florigen?
Waaa did not know watering was so important or maybe i did not understand. So the closer you water at base the higher cytokinins and auxins?
What are the best sources for each? Like florigen or cytokinins?
Best source for florigen I know is ethylene or florigen itself is sold but nature is best source. Let plant do it's thing biggest scam is seaweed extract awful hormonal profiles for cannabis as well as all plants not just cannabis grown with npk are bad for our metabolism and promote growths. Our modern agriculture scene is poisonous. Literally as well as medicine I created a plan to fighting and cure cancer on all basis using a battle plan like fighting a war with strategy. Specialized terpenes metabolism diet magnesitism or gravity if its autoimmune. The world is spo wrong right now it's soo broken. Even red light Is anti tumor
 

Persianfarmer

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So think of cytokinins like estrogen and gibberalins like testosterone and auxins like HGH and florgen idk lol. I was said to be ADHD, didn't realize I had a beautiful mind until recently kinda of like a sleep cell genius. The plant starts with high cytokininins and auxins as the plant ages auxins decrease, as the plant grows father from the base cytokininins decrease and gibberallins take dominance. As auxins lower flowering hormone florigen increases. You can shorten flowering with with lowN and dry soil, extend flowering with high N and wet soils. The plant has preset profile then everything else effects it, it can shift hormonal profiles as it needs to based on environment. As far as other question you R what you eat, I've learned to identify profile hormonal Im all plants fruits ect just from looking at it. Some watermelons are gibberallins or cytokinin dominant some fruits are masculine or feminine or mixed but have that same variation within. For me triangle apical dominance is feminine and upside down triangle is masculine.masculine like carrot or cassava feminine like christmas tree or cannabis In general I have a Mexican seed it grow roots like a carrot though crazy.

Seriously thanks for elaborating and going in details. I really appreciate it. Besides i love reading you so it is a bonus.
Yes you are ADHD and only 33, but it will decrease as you age and becomes milder (telling you by first hand experience). So adding bananas, carrots, cucumbers or all the penis shaped fruits and veggies should increase the level of gibberalins, and all oval shaped fruits and veggies should add the cytokinins right? I heard we should avoid agrumes becoz of their acidic nature, but I thought ganja loves acidic soil
 

Persianfarmer

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Best source for florigen I know is ethylene or florigen itself is sold but nature is best source. Let plant do it's thing biggest scam is seaweed extract awful hormonal profiles for cannabis as well as all plants not just cannabis grown with npk are bad for our metabolism and promote growths. Our modern agriculture scene is poisonous. Literally as well as medicine I created a plan to fighting and cure cancer on all basis using a battle plan like fighting a war with strategy. Specialized terpenes metabolism diet magnesitism or gravity if its autoimmune. The world is spo wrong right now it's soo broken. Even red light Is anti tumor

I cannot agree more. Nature is GOD for me!!! Just take the time to observe nature and you will witness miracles!
Well You said ethylene, so if one ferments fruit juice (like beet juice), then it should be rich in florigen no?
By the way dk you use human piss as a source of nitrogen (it has to be used very fresh if not turns into ammoniac)
 

Verdant Whisperer

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Seriously thanks for elaborating and going in details. I really appreciate it. Besides i love reading you so it is a bonus.
Yes you are ADHD and only 33, but it will decrease as you age and becomes milder (telling you by first hand experience). So adding bananas, carrots, cucumbers or all the penis shaped fruits and veggies should increase the level of gibberalins, and all oval shaped fruits and veggies should add the cytokinins right? I heard we should avoid agrumes becoz of their acidic nature, but I thought ganja loves acidic soil
Basically yes
 

Verdant Whisperer

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I cannot agree more. Nature is GOD for me!!! Just take the time to observe nature and you will witness miracles!
Well You said ethylene, so if one ferments fruit juice (like beet juice), then it should be rich in florigen no?
By the way dk you use human piss as a source of nitrogen (it has to be used very fresh if not turns into ammoniac)
I try not to use human parts I consider us corrupted code most of us including myself
. I try and feed my plants nature. If you want your plants to initiate flowering faster have a lot of decaying organic matter banana peels to simulate fall or after rainy season when everything dies, it tells the plants ethylene it's time to flower. I had my plants started in November veg longer than January start here because ethylene levels are higher in Jan February than Nov December here. I would use the piss and hair from a human in Amazon tribe detacted from our modern world more aligned with nature, there's a tribe and their language only exist in the present. Like most nature
 

Persianfarmer

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I try not to use human parts I consider us corrupted code most of us including myself
. I try and feed my plants nature. If you want your plants to initiate flowering faster have a lot of decaying organic matter banana peels to simulate fall or after rainy season when everything dies, it tells the plants ethylene it's time to flower. I had my plants started in November veg longer than January start here because ethylene levels are higher in Jan February than Nov December here. I would use the piss and hair from a human in Amazon tribe detacted from our modern world more aligned with nature, there's a tribe and their language only exist in the present. Like most nature

Ahhh i have corrupted my ladies!!! Raped them with impurities from my body… shame on me
I like the fact that you are so spiritual and it seems that you work on yourself alot (like meditation and self reflection).
Thanks for the tip. Well i have been working on my soil for about 6 months and had to recycle it as well. So it is made of 50-60% used soil plus, fish scrap, veg and fruit scraps, rice and pasta wash, human hair, charcoal, wood and plant chips, volcanic stones, perlite, ashes, eggshells, coffee and tea scraps, left over beer, left over bread and i water it with lacto b, microbes and fungi juice…Hope I will get results will see
 

Verdant Whisperer

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Ahhh i have corrupted my ladies!!! Raped them with impurities from my body… shame on me
I like the fact that you are so spiritual and it seems that you work on yourself alot (like meditation and self reflection).
Thanks for the tip. Well i have been working on my soil for about 6 months and had to recycle it as well. So it is made of 50-60% used soil plus, fish scrap, veg and fruit scraps, rice and pasta wash, human hair, charcoal, wood and plant chips, volcanic stones, perlite, ashes, eggshells, coffee and tea scraps, left over beer, left over bread and i water it with lacto b, microbes and fungi juice…Hope I will get results will see
Haha yeah a bit but the plant is a reflection of us as well so I don't think by giving our energy it's too bad //😀 my best advice is just use completely digested compost and soils when top dressing or teas. As it robs microbes from the root zone. Caffeine things like that are not good fresh, I don't put eggshells anything on top of soil, when bamboo and other leaves fall I leave them but I dont topdress other than fully digested teas and the leaves that fall. I use to topdress before I knew better. After grow I topdress and reenrich soil for next grows not during
 

Flapdoodle

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Guys ... I used to grow with Salts and the results were ho hum. Now I 'm wholly organic an achieve super results. But a problem has arisen which I never had with salts.

The problem is a brown 'stain' occurs on the trunk beside a branch. The brown 'stain' spreads to the branch and it dies. A really bad case will see everything above the 'stain' die. This disease seems like it's fungal. Will occur no matter the weather is wet or dry.

So because my old salt 'soil' was absolutely free draining and sandy and my new organic soil is full of carbon based goodies and seems free draining too, I wonder what is going on?

I never seemed to be able to overwater my salt 'soil' but I wonder if I could be overwatering my organic and it is staying too wet for too long?

Sorry I have not got a photo. (I 'm at the public library, my image files are home.) But I 'll put one up shortly to show you.
 

Persianfarmer

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Haha yeah a bit but the plant is a reflection of us as well so I don't think by giving our energy it's too bad //😀 my best advice is just use completely digested compost and soils when top dressing or teas. As it robs microbes from the root zone. Caffeine things like that are not good fresh, I don't put eggshells anything on top of soil, when bamboo and other leaves fall I leave them but I dont topdress other than fully digested teas and the leaves that fall. I use to topdress before I knew better. After grow I topdress and reenrich soil for next grows not during

Yes sir thanks. Well i do all that (eggshells, coffee scraps…blah blah blah) for soil preparation and let it stay for months and stop 2 months before planting.
Then I give teas, i usually start giving aloe and lentil teas for seedlings, then at veg vermi,compost tea and calmag and molasses, then during flowering I give them a tea rich in potassium and phosphore and cheat a bit by giving NPK salt at 1-4-3… it kinda works but want it to be better🤣🤣
 

Persianfarmer

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Good morning Farmers of the Globe,

After breakfast, i was making soil so I thought I should share. The soil is used soil from last year plus, eggshells, dried poweder leaves, volcanic rocks, wood chips, charcoal, perlite, human hair, human piss, fruit and veg scraps, tea and coffee scraps, a few fish heads. I mix all the scraps in a mixer and mix it in soil and let it cook. Then as I have no beds, i create a lasagna with one layer black forest soil and one layer of the cooked soil above. Then arouse it with Lacto B and microbe serum.
Would love to make it better so jump in with suggestions and criticism.
Love, peace and respect
PF
 

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SwS

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Guys ... I used to grow with Salts and the results were ho hum. Now I 'm wholly organic an achieve super results. But a problem has arisen which I never had with salts.

The problem is a brown 'stain' occurs on the trunk beside a branch. The brown 'stain' spreads to the branch and it dies. A really bad case will see everything above the 'stain' die. This disease seems like it's fungal. Will occur no matter the weather is wet or dry.

So because my old salt 'soil' was absolutely free draining and sandy and my new organic soil is full of carbon based goodies and seems free draining too, I wonder what is going on?

I never seemed to be able to overwater my salt 'soil' but I wonder if I could be overwatering my organic and it is staying too wet for too long?

Sorry I have not got a photo. (I 'm at the public library, my image files are home.) But I 'll put one up shortly to show you.
Sounds like you have fusarium. I mix cinnamon powder in the soil of my plants to prevent this. From seedling stage the cinnamon prevents damping off and when I transplant I mix the powder in the soil and sprinkle some ontop of the soil next to the stem. Fusarium thrives in moist warm conditions. Only thing I know of is to cut off the affected branch or it will kill your whole plant as it spreads.
 

Persianfarmer

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Sounds like you have fusarium. I mix cinnamon powder in the soil of my plants to prevent this. From seedling stage the cinnamon prevents damping off and when I transplant I mix the powder in the soil and sprinkle some ontop of the soil next to the stem. Fusarium thrives in moist warm conditions. Only thing I know of is to cut off the affected branch or it will kill your whole plant as it spreads.

I think Sws covered it, and am sorry to hear about your predicament which i hope will get eradicated soon.
May I add that not only cinnamon acts as antibacterial but it is also a natural plant booster. You can also sprinkle a bit on the damp paper towel used for germinating seeds.
 

Verdant Whisperer

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Guys ... I used to grow with Salts and the results were ho hum. Now I 'm wholly organic an achieve super results. But a problem has arisen which I never had with salts.

The problem is a brown 'stain' occurs on the trunk beside a branch. The brown 'stain' spreads to the branch and it dies. A really bad case will see everything above the 'stain' die. This disease seems like it's fungal. Will occur no matter the weather is wet or dry.

So because my old salt 'soil' was absolutely free draining and sandy and my new organic soil is full of carbon based goodies and seems free draining too, I wonder what is going on?

I never seemed to be able to overwater my salt 'soil' but I wonder if I could be overwatering my organic and it is staying too wet for too long?

Sorry I have not got a photo. (I 'm at the public library, my image files are home.) But I 'll put one up shortly to show you.
Good day friend don't worry it sounds 100%natural . Organic plants transfer the resources they have and cannabilize vegatative growth and energy for flowering fuel .Here's how a mature organic plant looks. And yes you can over water organic easy. That could be issue. You need balance in organic systems. reading SWS comment it sounds like it could be what he's saying as well More so, but I see a lot of organic growers new who see plants cannabilize fan leaves and think the plants sick, it's natural. I water my soil with mister if I can and do over a time period so I add a little at a time so I don't flush my nutrients away from the top of the soil. And it allows plant to absorb slowly.in TLO it's water twice but I water like 5 or 6 times little ones over 20 30 minute period generally unless I feel lazy..haha I use a small cup to feed my teas trying not to compress soil as well not a lot of water at one time it compacts the soil. The top roots absorb nore elements the lower skinny ones are more like deep water reserves, in nature most organic material is on top of soil.
 

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Verdant Whisperer

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Yes sir thanks. Well i do all that (eggshells, coffee scraps…blah blah blah) for soil preparation and let it stay for months and stop 2 months before planting.
Then I give teas, i usually start giving aloe and lentil teas for seedlings, then at veg vermi,compost tea and calmag and molasses, then during flowering I give them a tea rich in potassium and phosphore and cheat a bit by giving NPK salt at 1-4-3… it kinda works but want it to be better🤣🤣
I've realized if you breed a strain for your style it will adapt to any style over time and become more efficient. A guy using jacks and breeding a strain with it and his environment like Charles Farley. He pushes jacks because he believes in it but it works good for him because he developed his strain to be dependent and work good with that food source, the main thing is keeping things steady. If it's not broke and your plants are happy don't fix it. The best thing any grow can do is breed their own seeds for their environment and grow styl3, every generation gets better
 
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Persianfarmer

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Good day friend don't worry it sounds 100%natural . Organic plants transfer the resources they have and cannabilize vegatative growth and energy for flowering fuel .Here's how a mature organic plant looks. And yes you can over water organic easy. That could be issue. You need balance in organic systems. reading SWS comment it sounds like it could be what he's saying as well More so, but I see a lot of organic growers new who see plants cannabilize fan leaves and think the plants sick, it's natural. I water my soil with mister if I can and do over a time period so I add a little at a time so I don't flush my nutrients away from the top of the soil. And it allows plant to absorb slowly.in TLO it's water twice but I water like 5 or 6 times little ones over 20 30 minute period generally unless I feel lazy..haha I use a small cup to feed my teas trying not to compress soil as well not a lot of water at one time it compacts the soil. The top roots absorb nore elements the lower skinny ones are more like deep water reserves, in nature most organic material is on top of soil.

Thats a very nice bud! I am more interested in the one that looks like tomato leaves but is ganja! Seems a very interesting plant
 
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