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[bigshrimp]

TO?????there are no TO seeds.....that's a cut only from 1984. Sorry no S1's either....I won't do that out of respect for Coot..you know,those pesky morals getting in the way again....AND I just will never give the cut away to anyone who has big plans to make S1's ..not gonna happen. I've posted several pix and descriptions throughout this thread exactly what I had thought about sending in as a server fund donations.

TO x BMR....... aka the collectively named 'Kashmala Moon' of which the final breeding will be two Bx1 females x a selected for PM resistance F2 TO x BMR male......~@ that point I'm done w/it.

Possible....

BO x NLH Bx1

An F2 male NL#5 x Neville's Haze male from 1991 pollinating the sister of TO....'Blue Orca' which one more freeking time for the record is a 1971 Afghani out of Kandahar....crossed to 1976 Thai stick male.
I found an extremely beautiful and highly resinous BO x NLH male I can't seem to resist doing a Bx with to Blue Orca.

Which will bring the flowering time down to the mid 50's....but lose more of the NLH kickass-ness that she is famous for. So I definitley think that the original BO x NLH cross shall remain in existence....because it's pretty satty dominant as is before the proposed Bx.
Gas

Who said anything about big plans? What attracts me to selfing is curiosity. How better to understand a plant than by crossing it to itself and observing the progeny? Unless you are making f1 hybrids that is the goal...inbreeding.

As far as the ethics goes in kinda lost on how that works for you... elaborate please.

I could see how making s1s of someone's hard work and selling the without their permission is unethical.

I could see how making s1s and misrepresenting them would be unethical.

I could even with a stretch argue that CC saying what should and shouldn't be done with them is unethical.

But as far as making s1s , thats no more unnatural or unethical than the act of cultivation itself.

 

[Gascanastan]

Who said anything about big plans? What attracts me to selfing is curiosity. How better to understand a plant than by crossing it to itself and observing the progeny? Unless you are making f1 hybrids that is the goal...inbreeding.

As far as the ethics goes in kinda lost on how that works for you... elaborate please.

I could see how making s1s of someone's hard work and selling the without their permission is unethical.

I could see how making s1s and misrepresenting them would be unethical.

I could even with a stretch argue that CC saying what should and shouldn't be done with them is unethical.

But as far as making s1s , thats no more unnatural or unethical than the act of cultivation itself.

We are all entitled to our opinions.

I'm not making S1's. That is all.

This goes deeper than you understand...and that's all I'm saying about it.

 

[bigshrimp]

We are all entitled

to our opinions.

I'm not making S1's. That is all.

This goes deeper than you understand...and that's all I'm saying about it.

That is fair, just interested in your opinion no need to get condescending.

If it really does go that deep try me, i might just be able to follow along.

I would like to hear an real argument against selfing, especially from a moral point of view cause i imagine that would be tough.

 

[Gascanastan]

That's not public bizz bro....sorry man. No need to push for something that ain't gonna happen..it's irritating,and I just wasn't gifted w/unlimited patience. I wouldn't call it condescending....but that's my opinion.

I have no argument against selfing...obviously it's the best way to find different phenotype expressions from a cut only.

 

[bigshrimp]

I didn't mean to push and i respect your and coo'ts opinion very much.

I just thought you knew something about s1s i diddnt.

 

[Gascanastan]

I didn't mean to push and i respect your and coo'ts opinion very much.

I just thought you knew something about s1s i diddnt.

A proper response....

Okay then...be cool....don't piss off the cranky old guys...stick around and play nice.

I don't think auto-flower's or S1's do that much for the overall bigger picture for the future of the cannabis plant. For a production thing yeah sure,...for genetic integrity...I remain skeptical.

There were times in my life when males were a rarity...and I'd have killed for one. Other times I've done S1's and bred w/them...so I've played all 3 sides of the coin.

BTW...don't give a fuck about rep anymore. I always assume it's Seamaiden showing her love for me....just letting it be known I don't give a fuck about mermaids..they aren't real yo~

 

[bigshrimp]

Guessing 60-65 would be good...bump it up to 75 and it'll start to move.

MM proly has better temp suggestions for microlife than I.

The soil would need to be stored in an enclosed area where it can at least generate it's own heat and hold it. A garage,(typically where a lot of water heaters are,a tool shed maybe...where you could turn on a 100 watt bulb to keep the temps up in that space.

I had a crazy idea to use an electric blanket once....not a good idea. It never made it past 3 seconds of thought at the time.

In my experience most fungal growth seems to stall out mid sixties while bacteria seems to trudge along at a reduced rate. Mid seventies to low eighties is is prime for balanced fungal/bacterial cure.

You can treat it as thermal compost but at about 90 degrees thermophiles wake up and reproduce so if it gets that hotter than that you should give it time for ecological succession to occur.

Ideally it would be cured at the ambient temp of the grow room.

 

[Gascanastan]

Ideally it would be cured at the ambient temp of the grow room.

Ideally....

This is what I assume most growers would do w/this type of soil mix...but you know what they say about assumptions.

Some guys don't have the space to keep it warm...which is why I thought I should mention it since I really don't want anyone to think that they can just mix all this stuff up,throw it in a pile,and expect the mix to be broken down 3 to 4 weeks in the middle of winter where temps rarely climb over 35 degrees for months in some regions.

 

[bigshrimp]

A proper response....

Okay then...be cool....don't piss off the cranky old guys...stick around and play nice.

I don't think auto-flower's or S1's do that much for the overall bigger picture for the future of the cannabis plant. For a production thing yeah sure,...for genetic integrity...I remain skeptical.

There were times in my life when males were a rarity...and I'd have killed for one. Other times I've done S1's and bred w/them...so I've played all 3 sides of the coin.

I just work with what floats my way so that includes lots of bagseed and cuts from friends that may or may not be what they say they are, so selfing appeals to me as a tool to understand what im working with.

Just a tool... as far as its utility in breeding project that depends on the original genetics, population size, selection, and chance like breeding anything.

At this point in my understanding of cannabis breeding i have a hard time predicting how a male's characteristics are expressed in its progeny.

 

[Gascanastan]

At this point in my understanding of cannabis breeding i have a hard time predicting how a male's characteristics are expressed in its progeny.

...and so the story goes.

Time,space....and more time and space...and when a guy doesn't get the wild card,more time and space.

I tend to make male selections based on a # of characteristics which seem to pay off in the end.

Resin profile,color,leaf shape,vigor,structure,speed,height,smell.

You'll know good males once you've seen a thousand of them.

 

[W89]

I let my soil cook in my bedroom in totes it cooked for roughly 4 weeks, But it never got hot.. maybe thats because it was only in totes that were 5 inches in height I dunno and it never smelt funny just like a nice moist forest or leaf mold or healthy soil should..I did mix it once a day for the first 2 weeks then I left it for the rest of the time I guess it's working ok as the plants are looking ok

 

[LITHOS]

I've got 4 18 gal. totes of soil mix in my grow room cooking right now.The totes are peppered with 3/8 holes top,bottom and sides.Space is very limited so my next crop of young ladies are vegging on top of them.Drainage from the pots drains thru the soil mix.This mix is not complete,I'll have to remix with more peat and a few more amendments before using but the hot ingredients are in there.I figured it was better to get the nucleus of my rols mix going than wait for warmer weather.

 

[DARC MIND]

At this point in my understanding of cannabis breeding i have a hard time predicting how a male's characteristics are expressed in its progeny.

"You'll know good males once you've seen a thousand of them."
this about sums it up..
males pass traits just as well as them ladies so finding a stallion is crucial to proper testing imo....
you can find what the male really has to offer by crossing to others who dont carry the expressions you wish the stud/pheno/strain to pass and so on..

 

[shmalphy]

The only way to tell what a male will pass is progeny testing. Period. It might show desirable traits that are recessive and will not be passed by Mendelian inheritance.

 

[Microbeman]

Males; vigor, chubby leaves (indica), thick tough stem

bigshrimp;
The temperatures you are looking for related to decomposition?
http://archive.bio.ed.ac.uk/jdeacon/microbes/thermo.htm#Top > from good ole Jim Deacon
W89; gotta be deeper than 5 inches to heat.

 

[Gascanastan]

The only way to tell what a male will pass is progeny testing. Period. It might show desirable traits that are recessive and will not be passed by Mendelian inheritance.

Sure fire 100% method....yet trust me,once you've cracked thousands of seed,....a guy can get a pretty good grip on what a good male is,but you are right,it's not 100% as in testing progeny.

Who said a males characteristics show up in different females from different types?....which would be another way of being able to discern what particular male characteristics he has have to offer that are noticable.

Start playing around w/the same males and this becomes evident...yet again,not 100%.

 

[Durdy]

Who needs that that dip and grow crap?

Who needs that that dip and grow crap?

 

[Kaptain_Kronic]

just finished the thread. its taken over a week, but here we are. started my second run through but finally had to just post.
i have been revising my soil mix, and when i look at all of yours, i like parts of it, but then i see things in some of them that i would prefer not to use, such as bone and blood meals. and on the other hand i also see some that are incredibly simplistic that i cant help but desire a more diverse soil.

base is the semi-usual -ish shit. 1 part spm/coco 1 part growstone soil aerator 1 part humus/compost mix (ewc, forest duff, coimpost, aged shit...)
the grow stone stuff is this http://www.growstone.com/ its good stuff, they bring us generous amounts of samples at the hydro store i work in. (running the aquaponics, not pushing bottled BS)

so i figure the best way to go about this it to give up a list of things i have on hand, and ask what else i need.

on hand
granular humic acid
feather meal 14-0-0
alfalfa meal
cotton seed meal
rock phosphate
green sand
kelp meaL
peruvian seabird guano

current shopping list
glacial rock dust
bentonite
oystershell flour
basalt
neem and/or karanja meals

so, with these amendments, what else would i need, and if we are feeling extra helpful, some suggested application rates would rock.

 

[Neo 420]

We make our own shit rounds here!!!

We make our own shit rounds here!!!

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[DuckDuckGoose]

about to get it on! my soil is going into action as soon as i get everything chopped down. this thread has prepared me well, thanks Gas and the rest of you guys! shits about to get real!!!!!