Living organic soil from start through recycling

[xmobotx]

coot can speak to better resources but DTE is what i use

 

[Para-Brahman]

I have good luck with it but was looking to improve on a new batch of soil I will be mixing in a few weeks. My worms love it for sure.

pb

 

[VortexPower420]

damn i think i want some of that shit too

I guess they are just starting to market in small sizes. http://www.ndsupply.com/Nutrient_Density_Supply_Co./NDSC.html
These guys carry that and some other awesome things. Their bio available nutrients are one of a kind, not soluble but available. It is all micronized small enough to enter through the leaf surface (with the help of leaf surface micro life).

I got some sea crop and just went and foliared everything. Low sodium, fulvic cleated, enzyme and co-enzyme rich. looking forward to results.

I know everything else that I have been doing is kicking ass. Is great to see the first two leafs a little pale because they are growing so fast.

 

[bajangreen]

I can get that; with different perspectives out there it can be helpful to be able to word things another way so someone can catch on. True, a farmer( further more one using chems! ) might have difficulty seeing the connection. I see similarities in healthy soil outside and in though; diverse life, a pleasant earthy smell, high humus content, good texture/consistency( not too compacted and not too loose ) - thats the best way I could describe it. If enough information is studied and practiced, the methods that produce these conditions start to make alot of sense; everything really is connected.
Thats awesome youre making the effort to share!!
Are they willing to experiment with the ideas you are talking about?

They like the results i am getting with my plants and want to follow suite. mixing soil is becoming a big thing around here, I think that's the first step then the LAB. But i am finding out living soil is a "calling" that the farmer has too want. So from now on i will wait till they come to me.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

I have been using Down to Earth neem seed meal in my soil mix. Is there a better manufacturer of one that any of you know?

Neem Resource offers both Neem & Karanja oils & meals - certified organic.

Organic neem oil has 3x the levels of pesticide & fungicide compounds vs. conventional products like DTE and the organic products are less expensive. These numbers carry over to the meal (aka cake)

Neem & Karanja oils & meals are interchangeable.

CC

 

[xmobotx]

not soluble but available

yeah; 'get IN mah compost pile'

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

"Oyster Shell Powder" - almost guaranteed!

See if the bag doesn't read CaCO3 - 96.x%

Coot I'm pretty sure it's 76% Si. More than likely it came from Concentrates.

BTW- Do they have a website with detailed product info?

 

[ClackamasCootz]

RanchoDeluxe

It definitely is not Oyster Shell Powder then - my bad.

By website, do you mean Concentrates or the company that mines the Oyster Shell Powder?

That would be Jerrico Products, Inc. and the product name is Pacific Pearl

Five Outstanding Reasons Why Oyster Shell Calcium Gives Superior Ag Liming Results:

1. High calcium carbonate analysis

• Guaranteed minimum calcium carbonate 96%
  
• Guaranteed minimum calcium 36% (typically 38% - 39%)
  
• Moisture content less than 1% (average .2%)

2. Sized specifically to cause a timed release of calcium

• 1/3 fine particles to produce a rapid pH change (-325 - 200 mesh)
  
• 1/3 medium particles to replace calcium as it is leached out or taken up by the plant or turf during the growing season (100 to 60 mesh)
  
• 1/3 coarse partices to provide a long-term source of calcium (40 to 20 mesh)
  
• Approximately 55 lbs. per c.f.

3. Particle shape and texture

• Oyster shell calcium is formed in thin, delicate layers that readily break down into flake-shaped particles. The porosity and irregular shape of the shell exposes an immense surface area that reacts with acids in the soil. The oyster shell particles anchor themselves in the soil and resist leaching.

4. Organic and available

• Oyster shell is produced by a living organism. Calcium formed in this non-crystalline state is more easily dissolved and utilized by the soil and plant.

5. Supplies additional plant growth requirements

• Ten other important organically produced nutrients and micronutrients are found in oyster shell.

 

[JoeDudeGuy]

Yikes !

 

[W89]

Yeah I'm getting this too

 

[smoooth]

Living organic soil from start through recycling

Well piss on a plant! Just finished this whole thread and wow! So much great information and I am making the switch ASAP. The amazing thing is, this thread has got me looking in places I never would have thought about. I'll be driving down the road looking into empty fields and such for compost piles... The woman thinks I'm crazy lol.

Already started to source a lot of the amendments I will be needing and a buddies family member works for Ace hardware so I will be getting a discount there

Surprisingly the hydro store that I go to(because a buddy works there...) had some of the amendments at good prices. They have the oyster shell flour, same as the one coot posted a couple posts up, big bag for 11$. Acadian kelp meal big bag, looks like 40lbs maybe?, for I think 70$+ and a big bale of alfalfa meal for I think 16$. Are these good prices? They also had these white tubs made by sparetime organics of fish meal, glacial rock dust etc.. Does anyone know if this is a good company?

I'm so freaking pumped to get this rolling.
It's even got me looking more at what I've been putting into my body and how I can improve. Let me just say Aloe Vera is now going to be something in my house 24/7. Already looking to source the freeze dried powders.

Just a huge thanks to Gas, Coot, CT Guy, YS, and anyone else I am forgetting that have made this thread so valuable.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

smooth

Organic Aloe Vera Powder 200XX - almost any quantity you might want or need. Very fair pricing, IMHO

CC

Kudos to MileHighGuy for this source - much better than the one I've used in the past.

 

[smoooth]

Living organic soil from start through recycling

Thank you very much for the link Coot.
Prices are better than what I have been looking at so a thanks to milehighguy as well. Got some bills to pay but once that is all sorted I'm going to be ordering some. Was looking at the 1/2lb amount and I think that is going to last awhile...

 

[ClackamasCootz]

smooth

I bought 8 oz. like you're thinking about and the delivered price was around $75.00 and 8 oz. will give you 12.5 gallons of pure, organic Aloe Vera juice/extract/whatever you want to call it.

So 1 gallon will make 64 gallons of ready-to-apply mix, i.e. 2 oz. of Aloe Vera to 1 gallon of water. 1 gallon = 128 oz.

 

[smoooth]

Living organic soil from start through recycling

Awesome this is going to last me awhile. Can't wait to order it and get to using it on everything from my clones to my flowering plants

All this organic talk has got me enjoying some reggae 10ft Ganja Plant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAU0X1KCe1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

On another note, I see you are a big fan of Hunter s. Thompson. Was wondering Coot if you have ever had the Flying Dog brewery Gonzo ale? Been sipping on some for the last week and it's one hell of a beer. Lots of complex flavor, and dark black color.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Surprisingly the hydro store that I go to(because a buddy works there...) had some of the amendments at good prices. They have the oyster shell flour, same as the one coot posted a couple posts up, big bag for 11$. Acadian kelp meal big bag, looks like 40lbs maybe?, for I think 70$+ and a big bale of alfalfa meal for I think 16$. Are these good prices? They also had these white tubs made by sparetime organics of fish meal, glacial rock dust etc.. Does anyone know if this is a good company?

smoooth

RE: Prices you quoted

OSP - $11.00? That's a very fair price. The largest organic farm store in the Pacific Northwest charges $8.80 and it's a short trip from San Francisco to Portland so not much in the way of shipping charges for the store. So $11.00 at a store in your area seems very fair. That's $.22 per pound

Acadian Seaplants, Ltd. Kelp Meal - that should be a 50# bag and $75.00 is $1.50 per lb. Another good, fair price. We're paying $58.00 for that size. Part of the low cost is that this store was the first one in this area to offer this kelp meal way back when so their pricing structure benefits from some 'grandfathered considerations' as it's called.

Alfalfa Meal - that one has me puzzled when you used the word bale - did you mean a sack perhaps?

Sparetime Organics - if that's the same company as Sparetime Supply then the prices on their products are in the 'good deal' arena. A couple of nits but nothing goofy at all. Good source for your garden plans.

I'd say you're in really good shape. Good materials, fair prices, great selection.

Go forth and grow! LOL

CC

 

[smoooth]

Living organic soil from start through recycling

Good, that lets me know I was right in thinking they were fair prices, which is odd considering it's a hydro store LOL.
And sorry about the alfalfa. You are correct it's a bag similar to like a burlap sack, not a bale.
As for the sparetime organics stuff. I think it is sparetime supply as you stated. Very plain white tubs with just black lettering saying what it is and the NPK value.

Can't wait to get everything together and start mixing like a mad scientist!!!

 

[ClackamasCootz]

$16.00 for 50 lbs. of Alfalfa Meal is very typical - almost standard unless you're running a lot of livestock and you're buying half or full truck loads.

Very fair......

 

[smoooth]

Living organic soil from start through recycling

Just found a local nursery only about 5 minutes away that carries the bu's blend compost. Looks like everything is coming together alot easier then I thought it would

 

[YosemiteSam]

Yea...you will notice you don't see many actual farmers hanging around the hydro store. Find out where they go in your area.