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Living organic soil from start through recycling
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Holy shit........please don't come here throwing up a bunch of shit man...that's just BS.
I'll let others school ya...but this is what this thread is really a lot about,actual no-till success!!!!!....and we are having great success,myself 2 years now...with many pots smaller than 5 gallon. I really think you should re-read this thread....seriously...
Pure Kush x BMR 3rd round in a 3 gallon no-till ROLS pot...perfect healthy little plant that required nothing but water......
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OrganicLearner
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I'm sure people re use Dixie cups with ewc, peat, and som aeration amendment from starting seeds and taking clones though no? Wouldnt this be considered no till?
Just Use the biggest container you can use based on your space and plant numbers.
and then.... Use your best judgment!
OrganicLearner
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Someone on this site mentioned a 4" air pot before so that would possibly take care of root bound issues, I wonder how that would do in organic no till lol..
invocation
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I have some beauties in veg in 2 gal fabric pots that I no tilled 3 weeks ago, does that count? Air pots work similar I thought.
Have you ever heard of VAM fungi? Do you know what happens when you "loosen up your soil"? You disturb vital networks that are attributable to the health of a no till plants. You also disturb sugars and proteins that are released by the roots. You are essentially destroying the mutual bond created by the plant, microbes and your soil which helps with a myriad of things such as nutrient recycling, disease repression etc etc but if you truly ran a living soil you would know that...
Its obvious you don't have a grasp on those facts. I have stated science and you have stated science fiction ....
Please go spread your magic elsewhere. Your "root pulling escapades' will get no play over here..
Back to our normal broadcasting sessions:
When your soil is truly alive, the old roots will breakdown very quickly allowing them to be used be used by the new plant. By not disturbing the networks we allow the new plant to use those network rather quickly which helps overall with the health of your plant....
Gas just popping in to say made a sweet score at the local food coop,got about 50 packs of heirloom veggie seeds,very excited to get my hands dirty! even better,they have community garden program to promote veggie gardening in any form but of course with a focus on organics and i can volunteer/take the course they offer to get the local wisdom on what works in the desert,they talk about desert composting and where to get stuff around here,the local worm guy is part of the group so it should be an excellent nexus...
i have a much easier time learning things when i see them,the hands on makes the reading parts suddenly snap together for me....
lol,the way to a mans pot garden is through his stomach! im sure i will have plenty of goofs and hiccups along the way but im pretty psyched to finally be doing this,already planning on 2 more beds in the next couple weeks....
i have a much easier time learning things when i see them,the hands on makes the reading parts suddenly snap together for me....
lol,the way to a mans pot garden is through his stomach! im sure i will have plenty of goofs and hiccups along the way but im pretty psyched to finally be doing this,already planning on 2 more beds in the next couple weeks....
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YosemiteSam
So on no till sea of green. It is really easy and works great. You take a table, put some shade cloth on the bottom, drill out the holes for drainage if you need it. Build the walls up maybe 12", fill it with living soil and you are good to go with tons of root space.
You just chop the plants off at the soil line and plant somewhere else...let the soil break all of that organic material down.
I would run that way for sure if it weren't for my states obsession with plant counts.
edit...on how open the soil is...Ca:Mg ratio, get it pretty high and this is not an issue, use dolomite as your "lime" source and yea, you might have a problem. But chopping that shit up all of the time destroys fungal networks.
You just chop the plants off at the soil line and plant somewhere else...let the soil break all of that organic material down.
I would run that way for sure if it weren't for my states obsession with plant counts.
edit...on how open the soil is...Ca:Mg ratio, get it pretty high and this is not an issue, use dolomite as your "lime" source and yea, you might have a problem. But chopping that shit up all of the time destroys fungal networks.
would a no till in a larger container say a 20 gallon smart pot be inherently more "stable" over the long term?
have any of you guys tried this method tree style,like one plant per 1000w lamp?
have any of you guys tried this method tree style,like one plant per 1000w lamp?
smoooth
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Living organic soil from start through recycling
Okay quick question. Im having problems finding fish compost in my area. I'm pretty sure I found the bu's blend online but want to check local stores before I pay for the shipping.
My question is, is there something else I can substitute for the fish compost? Or if anyone knows where to find it in the NorCal area.
Okay quick question. Im having problems finding fish compost in my area. I'm pretty sure I found the bu's blend online but want to check local stores before I pay for the shipping.
My question is, is there something else I can substitute for the fish compost? Or if anyone knows where to find it in the NorCal area.
All compost is not equal. The best will have living microbes in them, so local is best, if fresh, not old bags in hydro stores. I would start on craigslist, then nurseries, and farm stores before ordering off the net.
But long term, homemade and with worms processing it, is where it's at. That way you can control the inputs and make custom made compost.
Maybe someone familier with your area can be more specific. Best of luck...scrappy
think_fast
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I think 'the crew' here dropped some solid answers that I myself can use for the future. Thanks MHG, Chiefin, YS! My two cents...
From experience, while you may think that the mobility of having small pots is a plus, the added labour demanded in this IMO far outweighs the convenience of being able to move them. With movable pots you can really create a nice concave canopy that distributes light in the best possible manner throughout - true. But you will run into perpetual problems, soil dehydration being the biggest nuisance IMO. Because pots will be lined up so close to each other, and if you run multiple varieties (different varieties have different water demands), you WILL not check to see if each and every pot needs moisture or not and you will essentially be watering blindly. You simply will not due to backbreaking inconvenience. Especially if you are considering pots as small as 4" under a 1000W, which means you will have at least 30 pots to manage. And didn't someone mention that small pots dry out exceptionally fast? Try having to water each and every day and still finding dry pots. It's a PITA. I know you may think that the convenience of adding individual plants as you have them ready will make your project more flexible, but you can easily do this just as effectively if you consider using one of those geopots, which sounds like a freaking awesome idea btw!
With the geopots, or large trays as YS suggested, you can have a truly LIVING soil, which you will have to endure much greater effort to achieve if you go the small pot route.
If you are adament about separate pots (as I am guilty of as well), I suggest not going under 2 gallons (Smart Pots no less). You may even be able to pull off no-till with this size. But with smaller? Good luck! Make sure all your amendments are dialed in and of superior quality the smaller the pot size you go, otherwise you will be fighting a difficult battle, and this shouldn't be about fighting any battles, am I right? Figure out your soil first, work on creating a truly high quality living soil, then take the freakin Pepsi Challenge and attempt juggling with small pots.
Tiny pots belong in a hydro set up IMO. It can actually work very effectively in coco and such. And while it IS possible in soil (my own experience as evidence) it is fraught with challenges and disappointments.
Rant over!
invocation
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7 or 10 gal fabric pot personally to avoid having to water everyday but I will veg in 2 gal and just started no till those 3 weeks ago. Working really good after culling some males and replacing with fresh clones 
think_fast
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DDG,
You've got some beauties and you demonstrate how to effectively use 'smallish' pots.
We are facing similar challenges
What size pots are those? If I had to guess - 1 gallon? I've had success with 2.5 Litre sizes, but will soon be upgrading to 1.9 gallon Smart Pots. I'm just worried I will get bored when I don't have to worry about soil hydration issues LOL!
think_fast
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