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Gascanastan

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On growing a straight TO, have you seen the structure that you saw in the TO x HNL photo? That heavy, dense, massive biomass?

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Most crosses to The One exhibit this shaggy ass heavy indica look...not all. The One x SC99 doesn't look that nifty compared to other crosses.
 

Gascanastan

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You can get her pretty big with big pots and a bit longer veg...I've got pretty good yields off this head stash only type plant. I imagine if you turn one into a tree and flower it you'll do well IME...
 

ClackamasCootz

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Too many variables on this cycle - a change of rock dust (glacial to basalt), adding the Malibu Biodynamic Compost along with the Oly Mountain Fish Compost and using sprouted Alfalfa seeds every week. They're only about 22 days from rooting.

I did top-dress with a batch of worm castings that I mothered and cared for from my usual deal. The bulk castings I'm turning out are for the vegetable garden and for starting seeds. I just set up several #1 pots to get onions, shallots and garlic seed stock going - stuff like that.

But I had one of the first worm bins from the 'worm guy' across the river and it's just a standard coffin-type and holds about 20 c.f. This bin has been untouched for over a year meaning that this is about as close to pure worm castings (vs. vermicompost) that I have achieved. I used the usual deal of adding 2" on top of the soil.

Weird.....

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rasputin

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Could someone kindly explain the term 'creeper' when used in the context of a plant's traits?

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In that context, I'd refer to Clarke's usage of the term. A plant that looks like it can barely hold itself up is how I've interpreted it. I just caught a post from Tom Hill recently that sums it up.

Some cannabis stem are thin and pliable, some are thick and brittle, some are thick and pliable some are thin and brittle. Some overall phenotype are large dense and heavy, some are thin, airy, light, etc. All of these traits are inherited separately. When we combine the two beginnings of the the two sentences together, we have what Clarke referred to as a creeper phenotype. Yes it exists often, and no it's not a myth.
 

Gardens Keeper

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And for those of you who do not know who Clarke is:

http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Botany-Advanced-Propagation-Distinctive/dp/091417178X

Great beginner's book.

For those looking for advanced sciences:

Gregor Mendel's Experiment in Plant Hybridization

Principles of Plant Breeding by Robert W. Allard

Manual Of Leaf Architecture Cornell University Press

Teaming with Microbes: The Organic Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web, Revised Edition

Esau's Plant Anatomy: Meristems, Cells, and Tissues of the Plant Body: Their Structure, Function, and Development, 3rd Edition

The Biology of Soil: A Community and Ecosystem Approach (Biology of Habitats) - Richard D. Bardgett

Principles of Seed Science and Technology - Fourth Edition - Lawrence O. Copeland

And if you are really, really, really, bored

Plant Biotechnology and Agriculture: Prospects for the 21st Century - Arie Altman

Read all those 3x's and you will have a modicum of knowledge. Or you could just read this thread and grow some amazing plants and leave breeding to those that will use correct numbers.

Genetics and Analysis of Quantitative Traits Michael Lynch

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Gascanastan

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In that context, I'd refer to Clarke's usage of the term. A plant that looks like it can barely hold itself up is how I've interpreted it. I just caught a post from Tom Hill recently that sums it up.

Interesting...not exactly a known botanical term,but now I can say that I've identified that 'creeper' phenotype in the past...and I don't like it. Too much tying up....over it.

However,I have had success crossing that trait out. Durban X BMR for example....my keeper cut makes it's way around the country.
 
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I had a strain once called "Delat" that was what i would call a creeper, when a branch gets over 5 feet long it gets too heavy for the plant and bends till it touches the ground and where it touches the ground it grows roots and starts to shoot up again (if in veg). Kinda like ground cover in a sense but i had to bury the branch tips myself otherwise i think they would just mold. They whip around in the wind like a coconut branch but don't break, the stems are thin but flexible, you have to stake up these plant to keep the buds off the ground. These types of plants have bud growing on the stem from tip right through to the main stalk.

I mostly see this behaviour in hybrids its what i call true hybrid vigour.

Thats what i call a creeper, a plant that naturally has no main cola. that at the beginning of veg may be 6 feet tall but when time to cut be only 3 feet because all the branches have drooped from the weight of buds, don't know if thats the right term but thats what i call it.
 

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creeper phenotype imo isnt a trait we want to breed for but a good indicater to greatness
haze,colombians,trainwreck & other sativa hybrids with this distiguishig expression are fucken dank!!!

the 'Colombian' Expression,found in the black haze,SSH & pablo cheeze are a personal favourite within the lines.the plants grow into a non blanced frame of multiple tops & no definate 'main' bud. a full creeper expressions where branches will hang down to the ground with buds forming like grapes on a vine.
i come to think that these traits are inherited from the lumbo/colombian
 

Gascanastan

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Don't really have an ish with the info you're posting....'cept this last part here....

"...and leave breeding to those that will use correct numbers. "

Not really the suggestion we're looking for here...we are encouraging experimentation....we want to use larger populations but CAN"T....that's like reminding your grandma that grandpa died last week..."oh hey grams how 'bout that funeral last week."

Obviously this isn't the trip here...and borderline insulting to me and others who put our hard work into this ......our time,and our good intentions .....and I say once again,my accidents are better than ANYTHING I've bought. The intentional pollentations and selections I've combined..well....my WORK (yes..work) speaks for itself.

I throw quite a bit of pollen around .....and at that...very thoughtfully.

If you aren't who a few of us think you are....I would do something to change some minds here in this thread.

Peace~
 

ClackamasCootz

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Speaking of geniuses in the science of Botany, how about Luther Burbank?

In his work he developed the following:

113 plums & prunes
35 fruiting cacti
16 blackberries
13 raspberries
11 quinces
11 plumcots
10 cherries
10 strawberries
10 apples
8 peaches
6 chestnuts
5 nectarines
4 grapes
4 pears
3 walnuts
2 figs
1 almond
69 nuts
9 grains, grasses & forage
25 vegetables
91 ornamental plants

I'll stick with his work and let others fill the coffers of people claiming to be botanists with yet another flavor of 'kush' or whatever comes down the pike.

YMMV

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BlueJayWay

Speaking of geniuses in the science of Botany, how about Luther Burbank?

In his work he developed the following:

113 plums & prunes
35 fruiting cacti
16 blackberries
13 raspberries
11 quinces
11 plumcots
10 cherries
10 strawberries
10 apples
8 peaches
6 chestnuts
5 nectarines
4 grapes
4 pears
3 walnuts
2 figs
1 almond
69 nuts
9 grains, grasses & forage
25 vegetables
91 ornamental plants

I'll stick with his work and let others fill the coffers of people claiming to be botanists with yet another flavor of 'kush' or whatever comes down the pike.

YMMV

CC

Now that's something to fuckin aspire to!

He's been involved in and affected more of our american history than many realize, from a horticultural standpoint but not limited to horticulture and agriculture.


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