Living organic soil from start through recycling

[ClackamasCootz]

That's the MMJ scene in Oregon - scammers everywhere without any sense of honor much less integrity

OGF, IGMC, FMG, THCF, etc. - pond scum

 

[Gascanastan]

That's the MMJ scene in Oregon - scammers everywhere without any sense of honor much less integrity

OGF, IGMC, FMG, THCF, etc. - pond scum

The current trend...

Seems the goofballs/pot celebs and nute salesmen that make bank off the MMJ movement are the ones that manage to dodge the bullet...whilst the guys behind the scenes building the backbone of this thing end up doing the 5 year stints in the joint.....

 

[BurnOne]

Stay on topic guys.
Burn1

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

If its any consolation, the absurdly heavy regulations out here combined with the wholesale price drop helped shake out those types in a big way. They still skulk around at patient events and such from time to time, but the legitimate pros have by and large pushed em out.

I'm working on developing a curriculum for a 12-week organic grow course aimed at patients - I think there's a way where they get a very good value and I get a decent enough sum out of it to put the time in. The basic concept is like biology class: half lecture, half lab/hands on stuff.

I'm thinking $500/head for all 12 classes incl materials (some of the hands on ideas I have are DIY compost tumbler, DIY worm bin & DIY AACT brewer), and they get to work with a plant I provide through a 10-week bloom (they would work on it in class, then I'd keep it under lights and alive between classes), and they'd keep the bud they harvest.

So they get an oz or two (or 4), the DIY stuff, and a 12 week course for $500 - does that seem like a good, fair, and respectable value to everyone?

 

[Gascanastan]

Stay on topic guys.
Burn1

Look what the cat dragged in.....feel free to join in anytime Burn

 

[ClackamasCootz]

So they get an oz or two (or 4), the DIY stuff, and a 12 week course for $500 - does that seem like a good, fair, and respectable value to everyone?

If I were a new MMJ patient/grower and wanted viable information then what you're offering would be a solid path to achieve self-sufficiency.

CC

 

[BurnOne]

Look what the cat dragged in....

I'm always here. I read every single post.
Burn1

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

So they get an oz or two (or 4), the DIY stuff, and a 12 week course for $500 - does that seem like a good, fair, and respectable value to everyone?

If I were a new MMJ patient/grower and wanted viable information then what you're offering would be a solid path to achieve self-sufficiency.

CC

If Coot doesn't say it's a scam or a rip off, I feel good about it

 

[ClackamasCootz]

I'm always here. I read every single post.
Burn1

"My suggestion to you is to start drinking heavily" - Brother Dede to Flounder, Animal House

 

[BlueJayWay]

That's the MMJ scene in Oregon - scammers everywhere without any sense of honor much less integrity

OGF, IGMC, FMG, THCF, etc. - pond scum

I can't imagine it being worse than SoCal! They got that $5k startup mmj business shit down here too, wouldn't be surprised if that's what's backing her program. LA or Anaheim convention center regularly, or did, have one two day seminars for entrepreneurs - lawyers and business folk on hand to take your cash and get your dispensary setup and most often they already had buildings ready for you to lease

 

[ClackamasCootz]

IncredibowlBoss

When I first got a card I took a how-to-grow class at one of the so-called clinics which are nothing like you guys have or California or Washington. They're basically a place for neer-do wells to hang out and smoke contributions from others. Think 1969 with In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida playing in the background.

The class was $25.00 and you got to take a cutting from a diseased plant to take home to get your garden up and running. I didn't get my cutting because during the first 5 minutes of Q&A I was asked to leave.

Immediately - LMAO

CC

 

[BlueJayWay]

^^^^^. That's pretty funny coot!

So I'll be on my own till spring as far as compost goes, picked up a few bags of that bu's biodynamic stuff, still need to crack the bag open, never worked with cow poo based compost inside, but I love that nettle and yarrow and stuff is worked into the compost

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

IncredibowlBoss

When I first got a card I took a how-to-grow class at one of the so-called clinics which are nothing like you guys have or California or Washington. They're basically a place for neer-do wells to hang out and smoke contributions from others. Think 1969 with In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida playing in the background.

The class was $25.00 and you got to take a cutting from a diseased plant to take home to get your garden up and running. I didn't get my cutting because during the first 5 minutes of Q&A I was asked to leave.

Immediately - LMAO

CC

LOL yeah.. I'm not really welcome at all the grow stores around here anymore - I imagine there are similar reasons at play LOL

I've attended a bunch of the grow classes they offer out here just to see what they're offering people - it's generally the same ol shit. So my challenge is to create a course for people who learned their basics and are suckling at the capricious teet of Big Hydro, buyin bottled ferts, throwing out their soil (or growin in Coco, which I'm starting to think is the most common method here in CO), and chasing their NPK and Cal mag deficiencies, etc.

Most courses I've seen take the student chronologically thru the cannabis life cycle and organize the info accordingly - I'd like to do mine topically (ie week 1: soil, week 2: intro to botany, week 3: compost/vermicompost, week 4: compost teas, week 5: botany (cont.), week 7: auxins, pgrs, pruning, training/espallier, etc). - the goal is to teach these folks to be self-sufficient - to give them some broad educational base to be able to see clearly through the magazines and hydro store hype.

If like to call it graduate studies in growing weed, but other courses are more like high school than college, so it's probably closer to college.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

You can confirm this with Gascanastan - the local grow stores in PDX have my photo posted behind the counter and huge red letters splashed across the bottom: Do NOT Engage This Asshole

Touching stuff......

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

You can confirm this with Gascanastan - the local grow stores in PDX have my photo posted behind the counter and huge red letters splashed across the bottom: Do NOT Engage This Asshole

Touching stuff......

That is probably the best credential I've ever heard.

 

[YosemiteSam]

My hydro store wants to know why I do not buy soil or nutes anymore (a couple grand every 10 wks or so).

I just blamed Cootz.

 

[BlueJayWay]

My hydro store wants to know why I do not buy soil or nutes anymore (a couple grand every 10 wks or so).

I just blamed Cootz.

Hahahaha literally asked the same thing before

 

[Gascanastan]

You can confirm this with Gascanastan - the local grow stores in PDX have my photo posted behind the counter and huge red letters splashed across the bottom: Do NOT Engage This Asshole

Touching stuff......

The truth hurts their bottom line....especially when others are there asking the eternal question,"what's wrong with my plant"?..

I'm evolving into a Coot at these places...it's hard as hell to remain silent. That's why I'm just going to invest in the powered silica....my tounge hurts from biting it evry 30 days at the dro-store just to get some potassium silicate.

 

[all natural]

The truth hurts their bottom line....especially when others are there asking the eternal question,"what's wrong with my plant".

I'm evolving into a Coot at these places...it's hard as hell to remain silent. That's why I'm just going to invest in the powered silica....my tounge hurts from biting it evry 30 days at the dro-store just to get some potassium silicate.

Just grab what you need and dont make any eye contact.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

From Michigan State University - Primary & Secondary Metabolites

The metabolism can be defined as the sum of all the biochemical reactions carried out by an organism. It involves two pathways: Primary Metabolic Pathways (PMPs) produce too few end products while Secondary Metabolic Pathways (SMPs) produce too many products.

PMPs require the cell to use nutrients in its surroundings such as low molecular weight compounds for cellular activity. There are three potential pathways for primary metabolism: the Embden Meyerhof-Parnas Pathway (EMP), the Entner-Dourdorof pathway and the Hexose Monophosphate (HMP) pathway. The EMP pathway produces two molecules of pyruvate via triose phosphate intermediates. This pathway occurs most widely in animal, plant, fungal, yeast and bacterial cells. Many microorganisms however use this pathway solely for glucose utilization. During primary metabolism hexoses such as glucose are converted to Single Cell Protein (SCP) by yeasts and fungi. Yeasts from the Sachcharomyces species produce alcohol as cells grow during the log phase using an anaerobic primary metabolic pathway. This accounts for most of the alcohol found in nature and is widely used in the fermentation industry to produce beer, wine and spirits.

For example in the citric acid fermentation process involving Aspergillus Niger, hexoses are converted via the EMP pathway, to pyruvate and acetyl Co-A which condenses with oxaloacetate to form citrate in the first step of the TCA cycle. Ethanol, lactic acid and acetic acid were the first commercial products of the fermentation industry. Several of these products have applications as alternative energy sources, for example alcohol has been used to produce a cheaper alternative to petrol in developing countries such as Brazil and in Europe between World Wars I and II.

Secondary metabolism synthesises new compounds. Secondary metabolites are not vital to the cells survival itself but are more so for that of the entire organism. Relatively few microbial types produce the majority of secondary metabolites. Secondary metabolites are produced when the cell is not operating under optimum conditions e.g. when primary nutrient source is depleted. Secondary metabolites are synthesized for a finite period by cells that are no longer undergoing balanced growth. A single microbial type can produce very different metabolites. Streptomyces griseus and Bacillus Subtillus each produce more than fifty different antibiotics. Most secondary metabolites are produced by families as closely related compounds. The chemical structure and their activities cover a wide range of possibilities, including antibiotics, ergot alkaloids, naphtalenes, nucleosides, peptides, phenazines, quinolines, terpenoids and some complex growth factors. The production of economically important metabolites such as antibiotics by microbial fermentation is one of the major activities of the bioprocess industry.

Secondary metabolites such as penicillin are produced during the stationary phase (idiophase) of cell growth. Most of the knowledge concerning secondary metabolism comes from the study of commercially important microorganisms.

There are some similarities between the pathways that produce primary and secondary metabolites, namely that the product of one reaction is the substrate for the next and the first reaction in each case is the rate-limiting step. Also the regulation of secondary metabolic pathways is interrelated in complex ways to primary metabolic regulation.

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