Lightweight Peat's Mucky Muck soil testing

[acespicoli]

Hi biggreg

So the 7 ph and base or akali in balance is 100% is interesting base - alkali + ?
The other thing im interested in is how plants take up water I had some theories
capillary action osmosis magnetism ? You have an idea how it happens?

 

[biggreg]

Hi biggreg

So the 7 ph and base or akali in balance is 100% is interesting base - alkali + ?

In the typical ph range suited for growing crops, Hydrogen is the acid. More the H you have occupying your exchange sites, the lower the Ph.



Give plant water, plant drink is about far as I've gotten on the other question.

 

[acespicoli]

You know they say uptake is higher in slightly acidic soil it would make me think its a ion charge thing?
Also you ever see time lapse grows where the leaves lift up and drop down at different times?

Or in your gardens outside see how cloudy or rainy days things grow faster?

 

[acespicoli]

The alkaline earth metals are six chemical elements in column (group) 2 of the Periodic table.
They are beryllium (Be), magnesium (Mg), calcium (Ca), strontium (Sr), barium (Ba), and radium (Ra).

 

[acespicoli]

Metal hydroxides are hydroxides of metals.[1]

Metal hydroxides are also known as strong bases.
Many common metal hydroxides are made up from hydroxide ions and the ion of the particular metal that it is made up of.
Example: When NaOH (sodium hydroxide) is dissolved in water,
it forms OH ions and Na ions.
Metal hydroxides ionize completely when dissolved,
so that is why they are known as strong bases. Their pH is above 7, labeling them as bases. Since ions conduct electricity,
metal hydroxides carry electricity very well when they are dissolved.

I wanna setup a spread sheet with this data, you have any ideas?

 

[biggreg]

I've gathered that no matter the methodology, it's universally agreed that calcium dominated, low salt and other micro base element soils are desired for cultivation.

So Ca higher, Mg second, the K at some percentage and low percent salt and micro bases. Everyone seems to agree with that much. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Given those parameters, what would a decent ratio be using CEC @7.0ph =100% as a scale?

Ph 7 is higher than the most common target ph reccomended for most crops of 6.5 based on SLAN field trials. Anyone advocating a target ph of 7 or above in a high organic mix?

How much of the CEC 7.0 exchange capacity should be filled with H to hit a target ph of 6.5?

6.3?

6.0?



What could be a ratio that fits within those parameters at ph 6.5?

 

[acespicoli]

This is a interesting root I found online called fulgerite

Apparently is feeds heavily on...
Quartz is the second most abundant mineral in Earth's continental crust,
after feldspar. Its crystal structure is a continuous framework of SiO4 silicon–oxygen tetrahedra,
with each oxygen being shared between two tetrahedra, giving an overall chemical formula of SiO2.

Quartz crystals have piezoelectric properties; they develop an electric potential upon the application of mechanical stress.

Stress may also be imposed on a material without the application of net forces, for example by changes in temperature or chemical composition, or by external electromagnetic fields (as in piezoelectric and magnetostrictive materials).

Just a thought

 

[acespicoli]

In the typical ph range suited for growing crops, Hydrogen is the acid. More the H you have occupying your exchange sites, the lower the Ph.



Give plant water, plant drink is about far as I've gotten on the other question.

Found something that kinda relates to this
Self-ionization_of_water Hydrogen



Transpiration is the process by which moisture is carried through plants from roots to small pores on the underside of leaves,
where it changes to vapor and is released to the atmosphere. Transpiration is essentially evaporation of water from plant leaves.Dec 2, 2016

Amazing how it all works together?
The perfect ratios and percentages im thinking hydro recipes for a reference?
We know we have to have the min levels and luxuries may be toxic?
Like you said a 3 month supply soil recipe in a pot premixed easy to use should be the goal?

 

[biggreg]

Ace,
We should start a new thread to discuss these topics that don't directly relate to the diffrences between organic soils vs mineral soils and how it pertains to soil testing or soil testing in general so we can work towards keeping our thoughts focused and organized.

 

[acespicoli]

Just trying to think outside the scoop...

 

[acespicoli]

In a chemical reaction, chemical equilibrium is the state in which both reactants and products are present in concentrations which have no further tendency to change with time. Usually, this state results when the forward reaction proceeds at the same rate as the reverse reaction.

There are many variables to achieve
equilibrium

Physicists study a wide range of phenomena in many branches of their field, spanning all length scales: from sub-atomic particles of which all ordinary matter is made (particle physics), to physical systems, to molecular length scales of chemical and biological interest, to cosmological length scales

I have always been a why & how kinda person! Sorry....

 

[acespicoli]

Where do plants get hydrogen and oxygen in a soil mix?

 

[acespicoli]

However, in a thunderstorm there is enough electrical energy in lightning to separate the nitrogen atoms in the air. Once the atoms are separated they can fall to earth with rain water, and combine with minerals in the soil to form nitrates, a type of fertilizer. ?

How are you testing for N biggreg?

 

[biggreg]

How are you testing for N biggreg?

I measure a set amount per volume N ( slow release organic N) to each grow and try to correlate the results i directly observe without a test, then try to calibrate the amount that works well for me. I keep some hi N guano handy if I need gas for the fire.

 

[biggreg]

Where do plants get hydrogen and oxygen in a soil mix?

Water and atmosphere are the sources.

 

[biggreg]

Sorry....

Thanks for the apology. Now lets get back to the relationship of ph and base cation satty ratios.

 

[jidoka]

I've gathered that no matter the methodology, it's universally agreed that calcium dominated, low salt and other micro base element soils are desired for cultivation.

So Ca higher, Mg second, the K at some percentage and low percent salt and micro bases. Everyone seems to agree with that much. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Given those parameters, what would a decent ratio be using CEC @7.0ph =100% as a scale?

Ph 7 is higher than the most common target ph reccomended for most crops of 6.5 based on SLAN field trials. Anyone advocating a target ph of 7 or above in a high organic mix?

How much of the CEC 7.0 exchange capacity should be filled with H to hit a target ph of 6.5?

6.3?

6.0?



What could be a ratio that fits within those parameters at ph 6.5?

10% H without a lot of free carbonate gives a soil pH of 6.4. as far as ratios albrecht will hit very close to that. but, for example, you can also replace 1 mg with 1.4 ca and hold pH the same. a lot of possible combos will work

 

[biggreg]

Thank you sir.

Lots of combos but the combos that make sense are constrained into a range.

My hunch is if you compare SLAN levels of Ca, Mg, and K against BSCR ratios at that target ph in typical CEC garden soil, that the results of SLAN reccomendations would fall into a range decently close to Albrecht. Its a theory.

 

[jidoka]

i always thought if you hit SLAN minimums for K and Mg and then fill the rest with Ca it might work...use pH to figure out how much Ca to use. if your cec is high enough you might be able to reach that 80+ Ca without having to fertilize K

 

[jidoka]

are there slans for organic soils?