life and times of 32 coco slabs/top 44

[~Shhh~]

The quickest seed plant looks like it has a pretty healthy layer of frost on her GM, what kind of smell is she producing if you've checked... The others seem to be heading for the roof quite a bit of sat in those genes by the looks of it. IME, seedplants always finish upto 10 days quicker once run from clone, can't remember if u mentioned taking any clones from the crosses.

Didn't realise that top44 was a from the victory strain, I remember you talking about this strain before. 8 weeks with a nice skunky taste sounds pretty good to me man. Not connoisseur like you mention but good strain to have in the arsenal all the same.

Cheers for the info on influence on seeds to give more females lads

 

[gaiusmarius]

hey mojo420

it's great to know you are having such success using canna coco a+b in ro water. i have had trouble before going this route, but i'm always the first who will acknowledge that there are many way to get the results we are all after. your trees are looking spectacularly healthy.


Hi ~Shhh~

yeah man that fast one is resinning out nice, both the faster ones are getting their trichs now, it seems to me that the untoped fast one is a sd pheno as the resin smells that way already, while the topped fast one is giving off a kinda new smell to me, could be an equal combo of cj and sd. as i only had 1 pheno of cj and that wasn't really the classic one, it's hard to say, but it could be the original cj genes pushing through. they are definitely getting more and more interesting to me as time passes lol. the potential of the seeds i made goes up and down in my head, those 2 plants are making it go up again more as time passes. the slowest pheno of them all seems to be a more indica dom plant then i'd expect for such a slow starter, but with seedlings, it can be like that. seems she wanted to be a certain size before she would start budding they are all gonna be fun to watch for sure.

peae

 

[gaiusmarius]

The quickest seed plant looks like it has a pretty healthy layer of frost on her GM, what kind of smell is she producing if you've checked... The others seem to be heading for the roof quite a bit of sat in those genes by the looks of it. IME, seedplants always finish upto 10 days quicker once run from clone, can't remember if u mentioned taking any clones from the crosses.

Didn't realise that top44 was a from the victory strain, I remember you talking about this strain before. 8 weeks with a nice skunky taste sounds pretty good to me man. Not connoisseur like you mention but good strain to have in the arsenal all the same.

Cheers for the info on influence on seeds to give more females lads

yes as far as i could find out the victory and top44 are the same, what is gonna be interesting too, is the cross i made with the fast sat dom male, the t44 will add speed and compact stature should be interesting, specially if it makes it a better smoke and has none of the top44's pm susceptibility, we will see.

try it out with the seeds, tell me what you think. it's not even a great risk or anything. one guy was talking about taking the seedlings to 12/12 for a certain time at a certain time, to make more females, now that's where i draw the line at experimenting lol.

 

[~Shhh~]

Lol, the line must be drawn somewhere I have a few seeds to pop so I will give that a whirl for sure... Top44 x (SDxCS/CSXSD) should be a winner GM, along the lines of the M39 x SD cross rez done... similar genes n all. Growing seeds is always a roller-coaster ride ay, one min your thinking they're great plants next your not so sure. The genetcis invloved in your seed plants almost guarantees 'Stellar-ness' (yes... I just made that up) I'm nearly as interested as you to see how they play out... Would be great if the Top44 crosses produce something quick and SD/Casey like

 

[crtoker]

Sorry you missed the 420 festivites. Mother nature is a real bitch that we ultimately have little control over. The fact that we are existing is just plain wonderful and we should not take it for granted. Smoke on bro.

loving your pics.

crtoker

 

[gaiusmarius]

pics from day 41 of 12/12

pics from day 41 of 12/12

Lol, the line must be drawn somewhere I have a few seeds to pop so I will give that a whirl for sure... Top44 x (SDxCS/CSXSD) should be a winner GM, along the lines of the M39 x SD cross rez done... similar genes n all. Growing seeds is always a roller-coaster ride ay, one min your thinking they're great plants next your not so sure. The genetcis invloved in your seed plants almost guarantees 'Stellar-ness' (yes... I just made that up) I'm nearly as interested as you to see how they play out... Would be great if the Top44 crosses produce something quick and SD/Casey like

like you said, i can't really judge the speed of flowering from these as they are from seed. but i should get a good idea of quality for sure and that aspect is looking better and better. every time i do a smell check i'm charmed by each and every one, even the slowest pheno has a nice strong aroma. i really can't wait for these buds to ripen up, the 4 plants i've smell sampled so far will for sure be getting a place of honor in my stash

i have high hopes for the top44xsdcj? the top 44 is so quick that it should speed things up for sure. i can see the three branches i pollinated are getting visibly swollen with seeds ripening in the buds, will try get some macros soon.

took a few pics from the other side of the table, but it wasn't my good camera and the light was on. better update will be coming soon.

 

[gaiusmarius]

a few more day 41 of 12/12 pics

a few more day 41 of 12/12 pics

Sorry you missed the 420 festivites. Mother nature is a real bitch that we ultimately have little control over. The fact that we are existing is just plain wonderful and we should not take it for granted. Smoke on bro.

loving your pics.

crtoker

thanks for the condolences, it really was a shame. seems like those that made it had a blast. i plan to make up for it in a month or 3, a few of us who missed it are trying to organize a meet up at a later time. but yes it is incredible how nature can bring everything to a screeching halt with just 1 volcano lol.

can't wait to be smoking on this

 

[bonecarver_OG]

cool!

that vigorous seedling might turn out hella interesting lets see how it goes from now

its crap using products for insect and funghi control, many seem to have insane components like NAFTA (gasoline) etc to make water soluble oils etc. i allways get a bunch of crispy leaf after spraying the grow down too. they can handle it, but esthetically it might not be pretty

how many W are you running now?

stoked so to see your grow back and in action!

 

[gaiusmarius]

cool!

that vigorous seedling might turn out hella interesting lets see how it goes from now

its crap using products for insect and funghi control, many seem to have insane components like NAFTA (gasoline) etc to make water soluble oils etc. i allways get a bunch of crispy leaf after spraying the grow down too. they can handle it, but esthetically it might not be pretty

how many W are you running now?

stoked so to see your grow back and in action!

welcome to my grow thread bonecarver, yeah those 5 female seedlings are gonna be interesting. they already have very pungent smells. i'm really glad i made that sd ibl x cj cross.

yeah i know this grow hasn't been very smooth, had to use anti fungus stuff and spray for mites. also i think the coco slabs are just too old now, 6 runs with the same slabs is just too much

i look forward to making a new grow box after this run is over, will for sure not be using that top 44 clone again, even if she is fast the pm is just too much hassle. with any luck i'll find my old WW to fill the new box first round. we will see.

interestingly enough the seedlings are coping much better with the spraying, mites and old coco, plus slight nute burn

Update Pics:

pheno3 seems to be more CJ leaning pheno of my sd x cj cross

pheno3 side branch close to the light

totally left is pheno4, slowest most sat pheno, still smells great when you pick a resinny preflower pod. the middle 2 tops are pheno3 again

 

[gaiusmarius]

and some more

and some more

still day 43 of 12/12

this one reminds me of other SD i grew, she's the second fastest. calling her pheno2

top 44/Victory

this one is the fastest of the sdxcj, calling her pheno1, she might also be more SD leaning pheno like pheno2

 

[crtoker]

Very frosty looking Gaius. Loving the pics.

crtoker

 

[mikecar312]

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[John goodman]

hi G...nice one for the updates! those seeds have gone bonkers ..i haven't seen anything like that before ...looks for some hazy toke..the main room looks like its goner still pay the bills bro...keep up the great work ..always a pleasure

 

[~Shhh~]

^^ Must concur! These girls have a good influence of the thai was it? used in the Casey Jones... Your in for a treat by the looks of thing mate.

Top44 is far from shabby as well... all said and done it's looking good from where I'm standing

 

[gaiusmarius]

Very frosty looking Gaius. Loving the pics.

crtoker

it's been getting warmer again, so they are a bit less frosty then last run, although at least they have no pm this time which makes up for it lol.

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hi G...nice one for the updates! those seeds have gone bonkers ..i haven't seen anything like that before ...looks for some hazy toke..the main room looks like its goner still pay the bills bro...keep up the great work ..always a pleasure

yeah at this point the seedlings are the ones making me the most excited lol. will be great fun testing the 5 phenos i should end up with. the top 44 seems much more delicate to the old coco and sprayings then the seedlings. but in the end yield is only one side of the story, the more important aspect is being able to finish the run properly and harvesting in peace. luckily i have plenty of time to finish up the seedlings too before i have to take this setup down again. and finally chuck these 6 run old slabs lol.

^^ Must concur! These girls have a good influence of the thai was it? used in the Casey Jones... Your in for a treat by the looks of thing mate.

Top44 is far from shabby as well... all said and done it's looking good from where I'm standing

indeed i think i really am in for a treat, buds with resin that smell that good that early have never let me down yet

and man oh man is that pheno 3 packing on weight, i am seriously considering reveging a lower branch from each of them. they should be a lot faster after all when run from clone and if they are as tasty as i think they will be i need to at least try to hang on to the genetics.

even though the top 44 is starting to look ripe already at day 46 of 12/12 i plan to give them a full 8 weeks to give them as much time as possible to finish up. i'm hoping for a better taste this time without the pm.

thanks for looking in and peace out all

 

[kaappikapina]

Howdy. About seedling stretching... I have grown three crops with coco with drippers and all from seeds. I know few people growing from clones and have to say there is difference. Clones are good for max crop. Normally i start eight regular seeds and pick 2-3 females which seem to be most vigorous and let them fill my 100x100x200 homebox with 400hps. Two ladies is enough, but last time i had three Chronics, wich was too much. But the way they grow in coco, its something i havent seen before. I have grown in soil and waterfarms for a decade, but coco seems to have all the best traits of all methods. Plants just explode when grown in coco and quality is awesome. I have consider clones. but growing from regular seeds seem to be most interesting for me and i just wish i had proper room to do it better. Next time i thought i will pick one male and two females to make seeds of my own.

 

[kaappikapina]

can coco be overwatered?

can coco be overwatered?

I haven't used my cruddy tap water in so long, I couldn't tell you what the pH of it is. The RO water I use has a pH of 7 but we both know that doesn't matter because it's so easily changed by the smallest amount of pH up or down.

I hear ya on the overwatering seedlings thing - yeah, it's easy to do. I fill the 4" pots and water them. I have a kitchen match stick measured off at 1/4" and use it to press the seed down into the coco till I get to that 1/4" mark, scoot a few coco particles over the small hole and then I hit it again with a few drops more of water. They don't get more water again for about 5 days or so - then I fill the pot with straight water again and the next time I have to do that, the plants are normally needing some food. later...

I start my seeds in rockwool cubes and when they pop, i take them away from cubes and plant to coco. Then i put dripper next to it and water 2-3 times per day and never had any signs of overwatering. I water them untill i get some runoff and when 12/12 i water them 2-3 times per day. Plants just love it.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Howdy. About seedling stretching... I have grown three crops with coco with drippers and all from seeds. I know few people growing from clones and have to say there is difference. Clones are good for max crop. Normally i start eight regular seeds and pick 2-3 females which seem to be most vigorous and let them fill my 100x100x200 homebox with 400hps. Two ladies is enough, but last time i had three Chronics, wich was too much. But the way they grow in coco, its something i havent seen before. I have grown in soil and waterfarms for a decade, but coco seems to have all the best traits of all methods. Plants just explode when grown in coco and quality is awesome. I have consider clones. but growing from regular seeds seem to be most interesting for me and i just wish i had proper room to do it better. Next time i thought i will pick one male and two females to make seeds of my own.

yeah when things go right, coco is amazing, small amounts can support very big plants no problem.

it truly is amazing how much more vigorous from seed plants are compared with the clone lines which can be 15 years old. not sure how old this top 44 is but she is a lot more damaged by the spraying for pm and mites i had to do. same with the 6 times reused coco slabs. the seedlings are not troubled by the old coco at all, in fact they look to be making some massive colas.

anyway welcome to this rather scruffy grow show, the final reward will be the smoke report and pics of harvested SDx CJ phenos 1 to 5.

update day 50 of 12/12

pheno 2 sdxcj my favorite from the structure

top 44

pheno 3 of sdxcj this one is showing it's sativa heritage, like all f them it has a beautifully potent mouth watering smell

pheno 5, she was the slowest to start making buds, but she is also starting to smell real nice, distictly different to phenos 1 to 4, while 1 and 2 have some similarities in smell. there are some similarities also between 3 and 4, which are both showing heavy sativa dom traits and smelling like i seem to remember truecannablises CaseyJones was smelling back in 07

pheno 1, this was the fastest to make resin, but alas it's also the first one to attract the mites, will vacuum the nets off tomorrow. this one doesn't seem to be heading for a masive cola, but that's partly my fault for breaking the top off trying to bend it down a bit

pheno 3

pheno 2

isn't it amazing how much more they have filled out, even though the started 12/12 smaller then the top 44 clones

side branch of pheno 3 check out that typical sativa bud build

started a massive flush 2 hours ago, pump is still running, i need to get those slabs down to ec 0.5 before i'll be happy, after that i'll put them on plain water for the last 5 days till harvest. i'll have to hand water the seedlings their food for this period of time, go to keep those SD x cj ladies happy till their time arrives

peace

 

[~Shhh~]

Supa stuff GM, the seedlings are really doing very nicely bro. Pheno2 is also my fave ascetically, but I am interested to see what pheno5 does as she looks DANK from where I am sitting also, from experience with seeds the smallest yielders are sometimes the dankest funkiest plants.

With those genes I knew something good would come out of the seeds!

 

[gaiusmarius]

my new dilemma...

my new dilemma...

Supa stuff GM, the seedlings are really doing very nicely bro. Pheno2 is also my fave ascetically, but I am interested to see what pheno5 does as she looks DANK from where I am sitting also, from experience with seeds the smallest yielders are sometimes the dankest funkiest plants.

With those genes I knew something good would come out of the seeds!

good to see ya dropping by again. yeah it's so true some times those small yielders are the best tasters in the end, pheno 5 sure has an interesting distinct smell that's for sure, even though she's only been showing buds for about 3 weeks now.

the problem is, i'm no longer sure if i should clone and reveg a bottom branch from each pheno. specially considering that the room has mites and i'd like to keep my new veg space pest free. i know dunking each branch before i put it in the new space should do the trick, but i'm wondering if i'm not better off popping 10 more of the sd x cj seeds. starting fresh in the new space so to speak...hm...think that's what i'll do...maybe not, lol. hard choice, there might be a potential elite keeper among those 5 phenos

peace