daddyweez2000
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It looks great to me so much so that i ordered the disc& donut from mainland mart now all i have to do is put it together and see what happens.
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**Lets fog it up : DIY fog cloner
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looks hot but waaaaaaaaaaaaay over my head
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Hey Clown and everyone...
Hey Clown and everyone...
I know its a bit off the subject but here goes anyway. I made one of those aero cloners from the plans on here. Well the pump kept the temps in low 80s to high 70s in the reservoir. The stems developed bumps and kind of knarled like roots but didn't send out shoots except one. I had it timed 15min on and 15min off. As soon as I put them in 3in cups in bubbles they are sending out shoots like crazy.
Do you think it was the temps or I was kind of thinking they need to dry out a bit more between aero bursts to stimulate the plant to send out shoots?
This kind of applies to the the fogger thing with temp and how often. What do you all think?
Hey Clown and everyone...
I know its a bit off the subject but here goes anyway. I made one of those aero cloners from the plans on here. Well the pump kept the temps in low 80s to high 70s in the reservoir. The stems developed bumps and kind of knarled like roots but didn't send out shoots except one. I had it timed 15min on and 15min off. As soon as I put them in 3in cups in bubbles they are sending out shoots like crazy.
Do you think it was the temps or I was kind of thinking they need to dry out a bit more between aero bursts to stimulate the plant to send out shoots?
This kind of applies to the the fogger thing with temp and how often. What do you all think?
icough2getoff
Active member
So it's been a few months, did anyone have any real success with this? I'd love to see someone who tried it with some pics.
its very similar to the fruiting chambers we build over at the shroomery. it consists of a rubbermade tub, an ultrasonic fogger, some pvc fittings, and some perlite.
we have quite a different problem on fungal side. we want our humidity at 99.9% without a single drop of water hitting our baby mushrooms. its a really beautiful hobby but some of the environmental control issues make me wonder about my sanity sometimes.
we have quite a different problem on fungal side. we want our humidity at 99.9% without a single drop of water hitting our baby mushrooms. its a really beautiful hobby but some of the environmental control issues make me wonder about my sanity sometimes.
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I am using something similar at the mo that I made a while ago but with just the disc unit that sits in the water and have good roots in 11 days, quicker than my aero or growool! And the best thing coz I have higher than ideal temps. Will post pics if I can get a cam. All I can say is Fog=Roots. Oh and its a piece of cake to build and really cheap.......
I made a fog cloner but have not had a chance to even use it. The design was a small rubbermade tub with 12 - 2" net pots with the bottoms cut out along with some neoprene inserts discs.
The design uses a fogger or mist machine depending on where u buy the unit. Mine came with a the floating disc. The design called for the clones to be under 24/7 light along with 24/7 fogging/misting.
The unit actually sat in a larger rubbermade tub that had a van venting the air out and a vent on the opposite side to the fan!
The plans stated 11 days and you shall have noticeable success in rooting.
Can anyone agree or disagree with the above mentioned.
Thanks
venge
The design uses a fogger or mist machine depending on where u buy the unit. Mine came with a the floating disc. The design called for the clones to be under 24/7 light along with 24/7 fogging/misting.
The unit actually sat in a larger rubbermade tub that had a van venting the air out and a vent on the opposite side to the fan!
The plans stated 11 days and you shall have noticeable success in rooting.
Can anyone agree or disagree with the above mentioned.
Thanks
venge
Pftttt, amateurs! 
Yeah thats right, fog cloning in a Coliseum... didn't quite work, too big of a rootzone to fill with fog and too many holes for the fog to escape... and if its a nutrient fog, it will then foilar overfeed and kill your plants!
My advice about cloning with dry fog:
Use a floating pond fogger, not a humidifier, because they force air into the root zone and out into your room!
1. You want those clone stems constantly WET! Do not using a rooting gel, just sterilize with peroxide solution.
2. You need to keep the root zone cool, ultrasonic disk heats the water.
3. You don't want dry fog escaping the cloner!
To solve all 3, put your fogger on a timer, figure out what timing works best. I also suggest using a stryo-foam cooler instead of a plastic Rubbermaid one, that way the water stays cool longer.
If you want to add nutrients, remember that you must dilute it greater than normal, dry fog is more efficient at supplying nutes and oxygen, you will get insanely fuzzy roots, and save money on nutrients. You however risk overferting, especially if the dry fog escapes the rootzone and makes its way to the plants leaves, as it WILL burn em, at disturbingly low concentrations!
You can do this on purpose as a foilar feed, but realize that the underside of the leaf is more sensitive and the dry fog will coat the entire plant, so once again, make sure its diluted just right!
You will require a lot of test plants to figure this all out, and like others have stated, you will need to clean the disk. How often depends on your nutrients, anything with organics will just settle out so avoid gunky nutes. Cleaning will be at most once a day, at least once a week... preferably automate the disk cleaning (easier said than done).
About the pH changes, I tested for them, and found no change, but it really could depend on the nutes or even frequency of the piezoelectric disk. As for rate of rooting... its identical to aeropoinic cloning, but not as easy to perfect the system.
Yeah thats right, fog cloning in a Coliseum... didn't quite work, too big of a rootzone to fill with fog and too many holes for the fog to escape... and if its a nutrient fog, it will then foilar overfeed and kill your plants!
My advice about cloning with dry fog:
Use a floating pond fogger, not a humidifier, because they force air into the root zone and out into your room!
1. You want those clone stems constantly WET! Do not using a rooting gel, just sterilize with peroxide solution.
2. You need to keep the root zone cool, ultrasonic disk heats the water.
3. You don't want dry fog escaping the cloner!
To solve all 3, put your fogger on a timer, figure out what timing works best. I also suggest using a stryo-foam cooler instead of a plastic Rubbermaid one, that way the water stays cool longer.
If you want to add nutrients, remember that you must dilute it greater than normal, dry fog is more efficient at supplying nutes and oxygen, you will get insanely fuzzy roots, and save money on nutrients. You however risk overferting, especially if the dry fog escapes the rootzone and makes its way to the plants leaves, as it WILL burn em, at disturbingly low concentrations!
You can do this on purpose as a foilar feed, but realize that the underside of the leaf is more sensitive and the dry fog will coat the entire plant, so once again, make sure its diluted just right!
You will require a lot of test plants to figure this all out, and like others have stated, you will need to clean the disk. How often depends on your nutrients, anything with organics will just settle out so avoid gunky nutes. Cleaning will be at most once a day, at least once a week... preferably automate the disk cleaning (easier said than done).
About the pH changes, I tested for them, and found no change, but it really could depend on the nutes or even frequency of the piezoelectric disk. As for rate of rooting... its identical to aeropoinic cloning, but not as easy to perfect the system.
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I use 2x mini foggers and an airpump. Clean disks once each cycle. This was way cheaper and works much better than aeroponics for me.....I couldn't afford the EZ-CLone tho so this was my cheaper alternative. Sorry about the crappy pics I am no photographer and couldn't turn of the HPS.
Exterior:
Top:
Rootzone:
Roots:
Calizahr mom:
Exterior:
Top:
Rootzone:
Roots:
Calizahr mom:
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The calizahr mom is in straight coco peat, 300mm hand watered pot, canna nutes, I just fog to root clones.
LeoRexTyrannus
Member
That Mom looks gorgeous nice work, and what do you mean crappy? yours seems to be working, a fully functional design isn't crap if you're a utilitarian, now it could be prettier but who cares this isn't a beauty contest. Look the only part of the EZ Cloner I can see anyone being jealous of is the long lasting molded, rigid ABS plastic, can't we find some cheap bucket type or tub type or square type ABS plastic bins for far cheaper, do the mods ourselves and get the main benefit people are paying so much for?
I ordered my parts, need a 1' 3/4th inch Hole Saw and a Rubbermaid or ABS plastic container, we'll see what I find when I go. I went with the Mist Maker M001 with the floater, I won't be using nutrients in the machine, if I'm going to do nutes it'll be by foliar feed
I ordered my parts, need a 1' 3/4th inch Hole Saw and a Rubbermaid or ABS plastic container, we'll see what I find when I go. I went with the Mist Maker M001 with the floater, I won't be using nutrients in the machine, if I'm going to do nutes it'll be by foliar feed
LeoRexTyrannus
Member
What do you guys think about using a cooler? I mean you can get a quality rubbermaid one with a hinged lid, and if your neoprene is firmly in the 1 3/4th inch holes then they wouldn't fall out, you'd have easy access to the insides for maintenance and it's something that's built to deal with moisture, just my 2 cents
stickyicky213
New member
Nice little setups 
I am actually looking at building one here soon. I have soon some vertical pvc pipe setups, 4 and 6". I was thinking that would work and then I saw them elsewhere and now I am determined to make it.
Not sure what ultrasonic fogger to get, and I don't want to use a humidifier. Right now I'm just back to cloning in trays and rapid rooters, 72 per tray, 64 trays to a shelf. With the spacing in the trays I have already figured out approx. what I can fit in one 6" PVC pipe 5 feet tall - about 400. Not quite sure the size to drill the holes, was thinking about 1/2" and then of course not sure exactly what to use to hold them in and not let the fog out. I can get rubber lids that cover a plastic vial - a floral aqua pick that florists use to transport and store flowers (they work great actually!) but I'd have to cut each one off at the end as they slide on and off and don't just grasp around the stem. Need some idea(s) there. Need to be able to have enough support in and out of the pipe, especially enough outside so I can easily and gently pull each one out and check roots. Of course I will have the top able to come off and check on a daily basis to see if mass rooting has started to take hold yet, before I were to pull individual ones out.
The first space I want to use, actually replacing a shelf unit capable of holding 64 trays, is about 16 feet long and 9 feet high. Since there will be no foliar application being done I figure giving each pipe a 10" space should be sufficient (2 inches on each side, though I can go 3 on each side) as even right now in the trays clones are all over each other.
What's the best way to actually get the fog to each pipe from one reservoir? Or rather, what's the maximum distance you can really force the fog, either with just straight pressure or with suction/blowing? If I need more than one res that's cool, plenty of space there.
I was looking at the nutramist foggers and while I don't mind spending the money I know there's gotta be another way to do it that could even perhaps work better.
Also, do you think I'd be able to actually add roots accelerator (house and garden product) to the water and do you think it would help? I'm using it as foliar now and I have seen quite an increase in faster rooting.
Thanks in advance!
I am actually looking at building one here soon. I have soon some vertical pvc pipe setups, 4 and 6". I was thinking that would work and then I saw them elsewhere and now I am determined to make it.
Not sure what ultrasonic fogger to get, and I don't want to use a humidifier. Right now I'm just back to cloning in trays and rapid rooters, 72 per tray, 64 trays to a shelf. With the spacing in the trays I have already figured out approx. what I can fit in one 6" PVC pipe 5 feet tall - about 400. Not quite sure the size to drill the holes, was thinking about 1/2" and then of course not sure exactly what to use to hold them in and not let the fog out. I can get rubber lids that cover a plastic vial - a floral aqua pick that florists use to transport and store flowers (they work great actually!) but I'd have to cut each one off at the end as they slide on and off and don't just grasp around the stem. Need some idea(s) there. Need to be able to have enough support in and out of the pipe, especially enough outside so I can easily and gently pull each one out and check roots. Of course I will have the top able to come off and check on a daily basis to see if mass rooting has started to take hold yet, before I were to pull individual ones out.
The first space I want to use, actually replacing a shelf unit capable of holding 64 trays, is about 16 feet long and 9 feet high. Since there will be no foliar application being done I figure giving each pipe a 10" space should be sufficient (2 inches on each side, though I can go 3 on each side) as even right now in the trays clones are all over each other.
What's the best way to actually get the fog to each pipe from one reservoir? Or rather, what's the maximum distance you can really force the fog, either with just straight pressure or with suction/blowing? If I need more than one res that's cool, plenty of space there.
I was looking at the nutramist foggers and while I don't mind spending the money I know there's gotta be another way to do it that could even perhaps work better.
Also, do you think I'd be able to actually add roots accelerator (house and garden product) to the water and do you think it would help? I'm using it as foliar now and I have seen quite an increase in faster rooting.
Thanks in advance!
Nice little setups
I am actually looking at building one here soon. I have soon some vertical pvc pipe setups, 4 and 6". I was thinking that would work and then I saw them elsewhere and now I am determined to make it.
Not sure what ultrasonic fogger to get, and I don't want to use a humidifier. Right now I'm just back to cloning in trays and rapid rooters, 72 per tray, 64 trays to a shelf. With the spacing in the trays I have already figured out approx. what I can fit in one 6" PVC pipe 5 feet tall - about 400. Not quite sure the size to drill the holes, was thinking about 1/2" and then of course not sure exactly what to use to hold them in and not let the fog out. I can get rubber lids that cover a plastic vial - a floral aqua pick that florists use to transport and store flowers (they work great actually!) but I'd have to cut each one off at the end as they slide on and off and don't just grasp around the stem. Need some idea(s) there. Need to be able to have enough support in and out of the pipe, especially enough outside so I can easily and gently pull each one out and check roots. Of course I will have the top able to come off and check on a daily basis to see if mass rooting has started to take hold yet, before I were to pull individual ones out.
The first space I want to use, actually replacing a shelf unit capable of holding 64 trays, is about 16 feet long and 9 feet high. Since there will be no foliar application being done I figure giving each pipe a 10" space should be sufficient (2 inches on each side, though I can go 3 on each side) as even right now in the trays clones are all over each other.
What's the best way to actually get the fog to each pipe from one reservoir? Or rather, what's the maximum distance you can really force the fog, either with just straight pressure or with suction/blowing? If I need more than one res that's cool, plenty of space there.
I was looking at the nutramist foggers and while I don't mind spending the money I know there's gotta be another way to do it that could even perhaps work better.
Also, do you think I'd be able to actually add roots accelerator (house and garden product) to the water and do you think it would help? I'm using it as foliar now and I have seen quite an increase in faster rooting.
Thanks in advance!
I wouldn't mess with this if I were you. I had some left over foggers from my shroom days, and tried to set up a cloner with them. For one thing, they get hot. Too hot. I just made a small cloner in a 1 gallon bucket. Because the water volume was small, it got really hot. Almost 90F. So a bigger reservoir would help on that front. I also had the fogger on a timer. I wasn't about to go out and spend money on a decent intermatic timer just for an experiment, so I got one of those 15min interval lamp timers and set it for 15 on and 15 off.
Still too hot.
For some reason, my first run of clones out of this thing worked great. All of them rooted in a week. But then I couldn't get it to work after that and my failure rates were unacceptable.
In my opinion, the only way that this will work is if you have a large volume of water, and only run the fogger for one minute every 15 minutes. The reason for this is that a large volume of water won't heat up that much in a minute. Also, it doesn't take very long for the fog head to produce enough fog to densely saturate the air. If it runs longer, the air becomes super saturated and will start to condense on the sides and drip back down. So running it for too long is just a waste of power. Also, if the cloner is sealed well enough, that fog will stay suspended in the air for at least 15 minutes as well.
BUT (and it's a big but) to pull this off, you need to spend money on a decent timer. Throw that on top of the cost of the fog head ($25-$50 depending) and it's just too damn expensive for a DIY cloner that doesn't work very well to begin with. Certainly not as well as the much cheaper and already proven DIY aero and bubble cloners that are out there. I would look into one of those instead.
Just my two cents.
abitavenger
Member
I would have used an ultrasonic for a mushroom greenhouse...
Lovin the cloner though!
when fog accumulates on root surfaces it must pool
and would no longer be in the micron stage & eventually
the 'pooled' fog would roll down the root as a liquid.
I'm not sure of the great 'fog' advantage . It seems fog
would have trouble penetrating root mass, as roots tend
to clump or attach/cling to each other in water/nft type cultures;
with hardly a space among roots for fog to penetrate.
EDIT: Of course this means little for clones since the roots r not huge.
and would no longer be in the micron stage & eventually
the 'pooled' fog would roll down the root as a liquid.
I'm not sure of the great 'fog' advantage . It seems fog
would have trouble penetrating root mass, as roots tend
to clump or attach/cling to each other in water/nft type cultures;
with hardly a space among roots for fog to penetrate.
EDIT: Of course this means little for clones since the roots r not huge.
