Lemon Thai

[funkyhorse]

Lemon Thai sativa pheno at 63 days, I hope it will smoke as it looks

This is the mom I used
Now the cross with Seedsman Haze brought bananas at the end of flowering in all 3 plants I tried
Clearly leaning to mom all of the 3 plants
I read somewhere Lemon Thai terpenes are very similar to Chem. I never tried chem. Is this correct?

The strain surprisingly did good outdoors here. This might be because is an indica adapted to Hawaii
If I would be looking for an indica with good resistence to humid conditions I would search this line, I have more of the Derg Corra seed and the repro I made using this ¨sativa¨ girl. It is a stretchy pheno but all of them smoked almost the same

 

[mexcurandero420]

Strange, but never heard of hermies in Haze. In varieties from Afghanistan you can expect hermes, so how many procent of the Lemon Thai is influence by Afghan?

 

[VerdantGreen]

I read somewhere Lemon Thai terpenes are very similar to Chem. I never tried chem. Is this correct?

No, Chem Terps are sweat, sh1t, cabbages, garlic, onions, burnt rubber and general nastiness.
Lemon Thai is mainly lemon cleaner ime, with a bit of incense/musk/floral/soap.

 

[funkyhorse]

Strange, but never heard of hermies in Haze. In varieties from Afghanistan you can expect hermes, so how many procent of the Lemon Thai is influence by Afghan?

The first time I grew the Seedsman Hz and Ohz 90 cross I got 20 males, 18 of them were intersex
From my Seedsman Hz original pack I got 4 females and 1 boy. The boy was intersex too. I made seeds outcrossing the males and the seed xy x xy gave mostly females
I leave you pics of the smoh x ohz90 males and ohz90 x smoh males all turned intersex
I made seed with this and with landraces no problems but with hybrids I got bananas in the cross with Lemon Thai and Senegal Haze

 

[revegeta666]

Strange, but never heard of hermies in Haze. In varieties from Afghanistan you can expect hermes, so how many procent of the Lemon Thai is influence by Afghan?

You can make most if not all strains herm if you grow them badly enough though.

 

[GMT]

If anyone makes seeds with intersexed pants, they shouldn't be surprised if they get intersexed plants in the offspring. All intersexed plants are female. S.E. Asian lines don't have males, they have females with differing counts of sex determining genes. If they accumulate enough, the females will grow male flowers. This is why breeding crosses of S.E. Asian lines and other lines can cause confusion in later generations, such as people thinking they got a male from S1 seeds etc.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Hard to say for sure if the Lemon Thai actually has any 'Thai' in it, but fwiw, from my Bodhi repro seeds i have had 3 of the 5 females show intersex traits, and no males yet. (i'm hoping the one new plant i have turns out to be male) Bodhi also said that, when he made the F3's, the males were 'all over the place' with some autoflowering, and he used the only 2 'decent' ones.
VG

 

[LG/]

Hard to say for sure if the Lemon Thai actually has any 'Thai' in it, but fwiw, from my Bodhi repro seeds i have had 3 of the 5 females show intersex traits, and no males yet. (i'm hoping the one new plant i have turns out to be male) Bodhi also said that, when he made the F3's, the males were 'all over the place' with some autoflowering, and he used the only 2 'decent' ones.
VG

So in my brief experience I had one candy lemon faster finish, and one more complex longer flower.
I assumed the faster was the Hawaiian dom, the longer flower was the Thai.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, this is all hypothesis.
I suppose it doesnt have to be Thai specifically. It could be any longer flowering influence. Could also be switched, Hawaiian could be the long flower pheno.
I'd say the two distinct phenotypes are at least 2 weeks difference in flowering time.
I had no intersex traits in the Doc D reproduction. At least in the females. I can't recall if the male had any female flowers or not. I'll see if I took pics but I doubt it. Males get neglected pic wise.
I dont count bananas late as intersex. To me intersex is male parts on a female or vice versa.

 

[VerdantGreen]

they do look different in bud structure... the ones i've had (from Bodhi repro) have looked more like the second one. I'm not saying there is no Thai in it... just saying we don't know for sure afaik....
One possibility is that the 'Thai' in the name refers to the quality/characteristics of the High.

And Fwiw i have seen intersex in Hawaiian lines. Mr.Greengenes Cherry Bomb - which is a legit Maui Wowie line.

VG

 

[need4weed]

If anyone makes seeds with intersexed pants, they shouldn't be surprised if they get intersexed plants in the offspring. All intersexed plants are female. S.E. Asian lines don't have males, they have females with differing counts of sex determining genes. If they accumulate enough, the females will grow male flowers. This is why breeding crosses of S.E. Asian lines and other lines can cause confusion in later generations, such as people thinking they got a male from S1 seeds etc.

Utter nonsense mate, S.E Asian strains do have pure males and males can also intersex, fact

 

[LG/]

they do look different in bud structure... the ones i've had (from Bodhi repro) have looked more like the second one. I'm not saying there is no Thai in it... just saying we don't know for sure afaik....
One possibility is that the 'Thai' in the name refers to the quality/characteristics of the High.

And Fwiw i have seen intersex in Hawaiian lines. Mr.Greengenes Cherry Bomb - which is a legit Maui Wowie line.

VG

What can you tell me about harvest time with sativa dom lines like LT?
Like how will the high be affected taking it down early (clear trichs), vs on time relatively speaking (cloudy/when buds seem done) vs late (amber/well done)?
I read someone saying c99 was racy around 8 weeks but more happy energetic around 9-10. Just curious if this applies in general to sativas, or what you and others can tell me.
Normally I'd just take the plant down when it seems done. Senescence is a new word I learned relating to this. Stops taking as much water, most leaves fade and or fall off, ect. But the length of flower until this point could vary greatly based on enviornment. I am curious if anyone has some input about this.

 

[GMT]

Utter nonsense mate, S.E Asian strains do have pure males and males can also intersex, fact

Pop into one of my threads and I'll go through the details with you if you want, I don't want to derail V.G.'s thread. I was responding to an earlier comment by trying to add a little insight.

 

[funkyhorse]

Too many comments and too little contributions
When you talk too much about things you have no experience with it might backfire on you

You can make most if not all strains herm if you grow them badly enough though.

The leader of the high key collective grew Lemon Thai badly enough, this is the same batch of seeds I grew and Verdant Green wants to breed with.

Let's move on into this rare ladies, Lemon Thais from Dutch Flowers seedbank. Originally preserved by Stash, who purchased some original packs from Heaven's Stairway auctions back then. I think it was the same stock that Bodhi received and from what he mentioned to me, he found very similar expressions.

For me there are two clear phenotypes, the compact and chemmy smelling ones (afghan leaning probably) and the more airy looking sweet lemon ones (probably hawaiian thai side). All plants are really frosty and some were throwing male flowers and bananas just like many others reported previously.

This lady, the most stretchy one, was the best smelling female as well. Very frosty too and turned into a beautiful magenta colour right before maturing. Too bad I've found plenty balls on those flowers, and i'm not speaking about bananas but big ass balls lol!

And the hashplant looking pheno, the leafier and most productive one as well:

Two more Lemon Thais came down this week, this was the other compact hashplant looking pheno, hard ass nugs and not so lemony but no bananas so far:

And another female with tiny round buds as well:

Thanks guys... I'm also a big fan of Dutch Flowers myself. At the moment I have scheduled anothe repro/selection project with both Blowfish and the GHaze. Another friend just received Katsu's Bluebird cut of Chocolate Trip. I'd love to compare that one to Bodhi's cut though.

DF was definitely a very rare seedbank, I remember that most auctions at Heaven's Stairway were hitting crazy prices, a guy from NL was bidding up to $500 for a pack! I remember how Stash posted here how Katsu and himself acquired most packs later and preserve them.

A small quote from Katsu himself on DF:



Brother Castro, you are right if u wanna taste tropical satties most of the times you should be willing to deal with hermis. I'm happy that most of this bananas seem unfertile. This op I had lots of them in most elite cuts within the last few weeks, probably due to low temps as well.



I remember reading that the Lemon Thai was probably an old thai/afghan hybrid form Hawaii. Looks like that to me after watching all mixed airy and hashplant looking phenos.

Yesterday we sampled the first LT plant we harvested 3 weeks ago or something. Still a bit harsh to smoke but fair enough to get a taste of the high. Smell was citrus and very sweet in this one, almost like rotten skunky lemon.

I was pretty surprised by the potency actually. We vaped a small amount before preparing dinner and we barely were able to prepare anything! Totally spaced out and giggly as fuck during the dinnertime, speaking and acting totally stupid until we finished. Almost 2 hours later I started feeling a bit sober and we took another bowl... then we started to feel the couchlock from the affie influence. My gf ended crashing on the sofa while I've stayed chilling and watching a movie.

Potency wise it was stronger than Mextiza for sure, but they are very different plants in my opinion. LT is definitely a strong hybrid with a nice balanced effect but the couchlock and comedown is still there. Actually reminded me a lot to Super Silver Haze, Mango Haze and stuff like that, with the nice active high and later the slight comedown.

On the other hand, the Mextiza is a different kind of plant... the subtle lime, lemon rind and spicy exotic aromas are much more delicate and the overall effect is clear and light on the body. Happy positive daytime smoke although not super strong or overpowering. Destroyer tends to have a denser effect too, maybe due to the Colombian.

Anyway I have another 3 LTs to try later on. You can see they have their own character, they don't look like dutch strains, skunks, neither US commercial hybrids. I'm pretty happy with the experience so far.

All right this was the last one and my favourite as well:

About Ohz, I got exactly as advertised and explained at the questions about ohz thread. I got intersex males and whorled phillotaxy. All females firm. About 10% of the seed is whorled phillotaxy, 5% of the individuals are special, the rest is meh

Mustafunk is commenting at this last post

if u wanna taste tropical satties most of the times you should be willing to deal with hermis

This is because he grows satties badly enough right?

Verdant Green, do you think you can get rid of the intersex in Lemon Thai? If you think yes, then how would you do it?

If anyone makes seeds with intersexed pants, they shouldn't be surprised if they get intersexed plants in the offspring

I got the intersex in outcrosses but Lemon Thai pure did not herm here. I think it is environmental
Besides this my experience is very similar to what Mustafunk has posted with Lemon Thai
The genetics is intersex. It might show in some environments and in others not

So question for breeders: what is more important, quality of the high or the sexual stability of plants?
I personally care for high, I can grow enough plants so I can cull the intersex. It seems sexual pressure affects quality of high

I agree with Need4weed
I got pure thai males as well. I found 4 sexes in thai weed. But I didnt find in real thai weed from Thailand inbreeding depression nor whorled phillotaxy as most of the western sativas show

Lemon Thai is an indica as described
I bought this strain because it carried the tag ¨thai¨, only to find out as everything coming from the modern commercial canna it is just a fashionable name good for marketing packs at 500$ and not even close to real thai weed

 

[revegeta666]

This is because he grows satties badly enough right?

I didn't say sativas don't herm, I meant if one grows a plant as badly as YOU do, most plants can and will herm.

I have never seen a plant grown by Mustafunk that looked tortured, infested, abused, and just sad, as most of yours do. Reading you comparing yourself to Mustafunk is embarrassing. He is as humble as he is knowledgeable, while you are as pretentious as you are clueless.

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When you talk too much about things you have no experience with it might backfire on you

Oh, the irony.

Speaking of @Mustafunk, these are Zamal x Jamaica, bred by him.

No spidermites, no thrips, no ants, no aphids, no PM, no pesticides or fungicides, no dirty 3L pots in a makeshift greenhouse full of trash, no weird soapy shit on the leaves, not a single male flower. Not looking like they want to put a bullet in their head either, just enjoying life. If I had grown them like you do, would they have hermed? Most definitely.

The day you manage to finish a plant that doesn't look like something that came out of a HP Lovecraft novel, maybe you can form a valid opinion on their sexual stability. Or the quality of the smoke.

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities.

 

[GMT]

While travellers, traders, breeders and even to some extent nature itself, can move individual specimens and pollute local gene pools, s.e.asian populations tend to have evolved the X to autosome sex determining system, while those deriving from elsewhere, they tend to have evolved the active Y system. Allowing for pollution, and cross breeding in modern strains, understanding both systems, genetic inheritance patterns and statistical deviation curves, what is reported in pure lines and outcrosses can be predicted.
If the high is desirable, and the understanding is present, then lines should be enjoyed by those seeking them. To complain about maths is ridiculous, to understand and manipulate them is artistry, I admire all who seek that skill set as it is the hardest thing to achieve in the canna world as far as I can see.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Lemon Thai may be look like a broad leaved indica variety, but from my experience its effect is more from a nld variety.Like i wrote before a good candidate for crossing it with OHz to bring down the flowering times.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Verdant Green, do you think you can get rid of the intersex in Lemon Thai? If you think yes, then how would you do it?

I would certainly try to remove or select against any intersex traits but it would be naive to think that i could remove them completely.
I don't really get many herms in my grows, i would say i'm in single figures for the last 10 years of grows... and LT is the variety where ive had the highest proportion ever. 3 out of 5... so i know pretty well it is likely baked in to the line to some extent. I would hope to get enough good plants that don't show intersex traits to use for the repro... and that should help.

 

[LG/]

I would certainly try to remove or select against any intersex traits but it would be naive to think that i could remove them completely.
I don't really get many herms in my grows, i would say i'm in single figures for the last 10 years of grows... and LT is the variety where ive had the highest proportion ever. 3 out of 5... so i know pretty well it is likely baked in to the line to some extent. I would hope to get enough good plants that don't show intersex traits to use for the repro... and that should help.

An open pollination but removing any intersex plants.
Each successive round of doing this would certainly lower the likelihood of intersex in the next generation.

 

[GMT]

Thats not necessarily true. If this is, as I suspect, an x to autosome line, it would make things worse.

 

[LG/]

Thats not necessarily true. If this is, as I suspect, an x to autosome line, it would make things worse.

Can you explain this? In lamens terms if possible, forgive my simple mind.