Legal Seeds

[Rider420]

Legal seeds are now out in Canada and clones are not far away. With just over 345 licensed seed producers and 349 licensed to produce clones the market will soon be swamped.

https://licensedproducerscanada.ca/

Some people wonder why there are now more cos producing seeds and clones vs dried cannabis at 91. A gram of cannabis can cost 2 bucks plus to produce and sell for less then $10 retail. A seed cost one to two cents to make and is sells for more then $10 retail. Do the math.

 

[Tynehead Tom]

I followed that link and after 10minutes of dicking around, still did not find any actual seed listed for sale. dumb website

I ain't growing some LP's hay strain for 10 bucks a seed LOL
Mind you I have tens of thousands of seed of 100's of varieties so have no need for the LP's product.
Canada's industry is a joke.

 

[growshopfrank]

I followed that link and after 10minutes of dicking around, still did not find any actual seed listed for sale. dumb website

I ain't growing some LP's hay strain for 10 bucks a seed LOL
Mind you I have tens of thousands of seed of 100's of varieties so have no need for the LP's product.
Canada's industry is a joke.

Its only a joke if you "believe..." js.

In other news that piece of shit mulroney banked 13M from the American pot industry

 

[Rider420]

I followed that link and after 10minutes of dicking around, still did not find any actual seed listed for sale. dumb website

I ain't growing some LP's hay strain for 10 bucks a seed LOL
Mind you I have tens of thousands of seed of 100's of varieties so have no need for the LP's product.
Canada's industry is a joke.

The reason you could not find any seeds on the website is due to the fact they sold out in less then 12 hours. But you can still buy them from local dispensaries.

https://dutchie.com/dispensaries/spiritleaf-penticton/menu/?search=seeds&sortBy=alpha

https://ecsvan.ca/ecs-products-flower/

A total joke of a nation that allows people legally smoke cannabis eh. And to legally grow cannabis what's next will they be eating it?

We all know that persecuted criminals make much better seeds then people who can grow thousands of plants legally and use a lab to test THC, CBD levels and what Terpenes are in the seeds.

Sorry buddy but time has passed you by.

 

[diffusing]

The reason you could not find any seeds on the website is due to the fact they sold out in less then 12 hours. But you can still buy them from local dispensaries.

https://dutchie.com/dispensaries/spiritleaf-penticton/menu/?search=seeds&sortBy=alpha

https://ecsvan.ca/ecs-products-flower/

A total joke of a nation that allows people legally smoke cannabis eh. And to legally grow cannabis what's next will they be eating it?

We all know that persecuted criminals make much better seeds then people who can grow thousands of plants legally and use a lab to test THC, CBD levels and what Terpenes are in the seeds.

Sorry buddy but time has passed you by.

growing 1000s of plants legally, and lab testing and so on, and they still selling 50$ for 4 seeds? since the bud is so shit no one buys it, is that the new biz model? 1 plant gives 10,000 seeds? @ 50$ for 4... well hell. maybe a new round of funding is in order!

that pricing is fucking criminal.

just saying.

 

[Medfinder]

I've done hemp grows with eBay seeds..100 seeds shipped from china.. 1.29 cents

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=354273

 

[Kootenay]

With the way things are going, Black market will thrive. The LPs are targeting people that are uneducated in Cannabis... its only a matter of time before they collapse

 

[Rider420]

https://www.jaxgenetics.com/strains/

It seems that Jax just one of 346 seed lp makers will be offering 84 stains, just criminal eh.

As a federally licensed cannabis producer located on Vancouver Island, our team at Jax Genetics are dedicated to providing Canadians with the highest quality cannabis seeds and genetic strains.

BC Bud is a household name and British Columbia is home to some of the finest cannabis in the world! Ask any cannabis enthusiast what distinguishes our homeland and you will hear that British Columbian strains have a mythic reputation in the global cannabis community.

 

[Chimera]

I don't think jax is a legal producer, their website isn't compliant with the Cannabis Act.

As far as growing thousands of plants with testing- that simply isn't happening. It's far too R&D intensive of cost for LPs to manage. 100 plants @ $100 cost/sample for terps & cannabs is ~10K ballpark, just for the data. Plus clone backup space, etc... these guys just aren't dong it.

Real breeding is a specialty play with highly specific knowledge & investors with a vision for long term growth... this is not the money that is investing in Cannabis.

 

[Rider420]

I don't think jax is a legal producer, their website isn't compliant with the Cannabis Act.
Real breeding is a specialty play with highly specific knowledge & investors with a vision for long term growth... this is not the money that is investing in Cannabis.

Sorry buddy but Jax is being sold at legal stores in BC and online.


https://www.bccannabisstores.com/products/jax-hakuna-4-seeds?_pos=1&_sid=0dadc658a&_ss=r

https://dutchie.com/dispensaries/spiritleaf-penticton/menu/?search=seeds&sortBy=alpha

Please lets us know how their web site is not legal.

From the FAQ on Jax's web site.


https://www.jaxgenetics.com/cannabis-questions/

"If your province does not carry the strain that you wish to purchase please reach out to your cannabis store of choice and have them request the strain from the provincial/territorial cannabis wholesaler.

We at Jax Genetics are always open to hearing from our supporters/customers and welcome any specific strain combination requests."

 

[Rider420]

As far as growing thousands of plants with testing- that simply isn't happening. It's far too R&D intensive of cost for LPs to manage. 100 plants @ $100 cost/sample for terps & cannabs is ~10K ballpark, just for the data. Plus clone backup space, etc... these guys just aren't dong it.

Do you really believe criminals in nations that ban cannabis growing never mind breeding is spending more on R&D then in Legal nations where people have invested millions in breeding? Honestly?

 

[Tynehead Tom]

The reason you could not find any seeds on the website is due to the fact they sold out in less then 12 hours. But you can still buy them from local dispensaries.

https://dutchie.com/dispensaries/spiritleaf-penticton/menu/?search=seeds&sortBy=alpha

https://ecsvan.ca/ecs-products-flower/

A total joke of a nation that allows people legally smoke cannabis eh. And to legally grow cannabis what's next will they be eating it?

We all know that persecuted criminals make much better seeds then people who can grow thousands of plants legally and use a lab to test THC, CBD levels and what Terpenes are in the seeds.

Sorry buddy but time has passed you by.

guys like you crack me up.

In the past 2 years I have completed tissue culture courses, set up 2 tissue culture areas/labs and am "banking" all the keepers I find by way of tissue culture. My extensive seed collection ensures I will "never" need to go outside my vault for genetics for as long as I live. It's not that I'm bragging, it's not that at all. It's just you said "time has passed you (me) by" when really you know absolutely zilch about me and what I do.
I am part owner and department head for a new and soon to open craft cannabis nursery. Corona virus has delayed the opening of the retail store group that we partnered with. When we get rolling I'll be sure to let folks know. Looking like late 2020 , small town BC

 

[diffusing]

Sorry buddy but Jax is being sold at legal stores in BC and online.


https://www.bccannabisstores.com/products/jax-hakuna-4-seeds?_pos=1&_sid=0dadc658a&_ss=r

https://dutchie.com/dispensaries/spiritleaf-penticton/menu/?search=seeds&sortBy=alpha

Please lets us know how their web site is not legal.

From the FAQ on Jax's web site.


https://www.jaxgenetics.com/cannabis-questions/

"If your province does not carry the strain that you wish to purchase please reach out to your cannabis store of choice and have them request the strain from the provincial/territorial cannabis wholesaler.

We at Jax Genetics are always open to hearing from our supporters/customers and welcome any specific strain combination requests."

still, 60$ for 5 seeds? fuck those guys. rather buy from respected blackmarket breeders any day.

 

[Chimera]

Do you really believe criminals in nations that ban cannabis growing never mind breeding is spending more on R&D then in Legal nations where people have invested millions in breeding? Honestly?

I clearly said nothing even remotely close to that, nice try though

What I said was, no LP's in Canada are spending money the way you claim they are on breeding. That's just a fact of reality... I'm not sure why it makes you uncomfortable.

I worked with one of the best funded groups on the planet breeding cannabis, the R&D costs were insane to screen thousands of plants & we built a very high throughput analytical lab to support the work. Dozens & dozens of research lines screening 100+ plus females per generation with analytics on every plant.

It's a really expensive undertaking. I work with Canadian LPs importing genetics & doing selections on scale screening plants... I know what I'm speaking about because I actually do the work.

Nobody in Canada is screening plants like you claim, thats just fantasy. They are struggling to make profit just growing flowers. The idea that there is a market for millions of seeds, or that can support this kind of investment in genetics research is again, not in line with reality.

 

[Chimera]

still, 60$ for 5 seeds? fuck those guys. rather buy from respected blackmarket breeders any day.

I agree, 60/5 seeds is ridiculous.

Do Keep in mind that every seed sold from a licensed producer immediately earns a $1 per seed excise tax.

That extra dollar then gets subject to:

-Processor fees (20-40%)
-provincial distributor margin (15-30%)
-provincial ad valorum tax (varies by province)
-retail markup (~100%)

All these fees are compounded, as in they lay on top of the margins & fees of the previous handler. In other words, you are taxed on top of the taxes paid in the previous step.

 

[Mikell]

Do you really believe criminals in nations that ban cannabis growing never mind breeding is spending more on R&D then in Legal nations where people have invested millions in breeding? Honestly?

More money? No.

LP's have shown, if anything, they can spend more money to get to the same finish line that anyone else before them.

More time? Yup. More experience? Without question. Leaving aside the professionals there are hobby breeders on this site who have spent more time developing seed lines than these companies have existed.

Ya ever get tired of sucking sperm out their dicks for free I've got a great corner I can set you up on.

 

[Rider420]

More money? No.

LP's have shown, if anything, they can spend more money to get to the same finish line that anyone else before them.

More time? Yup. More experience? Without question. Leaving aside the professionals there are hobby breeders on this site who have spent more time developing seed lines than these companies have existed.

Ya ever get tired of sucking sperm out their dicks for free I've got a great corner I can set you up on.

LOL how do you know how much time these breeders have invested in growing cannabis before it was legal? ESP?

There are lots of people who brew beer at home using the old rules handed down for hundreds of years using only hops malt and water. Guess what if you try their beer it fucking sucks! Give me a blue or a bud anytime.

 

[Rider420]

I agree, 60/5 seeds is ridiculous.

Do Keep in mind that every seed sold from a licensed producer immediately earns a $1 per seed excise tax.

That extra dollar then gets subject to:

-Processor fees (20-40%)
-provincial distributor margin (15-30%)
-provincial ad valorum tax (varies by province)
-retail markup (~100%)

All these fees are compounded, as in they lay on top of the margins & fees of the previous handler. In other words, you are taxed on top of the taxes paid in the previous step.

FYI try 110 for four seeds at some illegal shops.

LOL cannabis costs twice as much in Amsterdam then in Canada! So much for legal cannabis costing more eh the users are once again the winners. And seeds will follow suit.

Quick question are you the same Chimera that sold seeds through heavens stairway back in 1990ies and were you also known then as Red? Namely biker bob stain?

 

[Chimera]

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Quick question are you the same Chimera that sold seeds through heavens stairway back in 1990ies and were you also known then as Red? Namely biker bob stain?

Heaven's Stairway carried our stock for a short period before their untimely demise in 2005.

Red used to own Legends seed company, an old friend. The Biker Bob came from a grower who used to go by the cannabis cowboy. I still have seeds of it in the vault.

 

[Mikell]

Give me a blue or a bud anytime.

Why am I not surprised you drink mass market horse piss.

Can't think of one cut or seedline that anyone holds from an LP. Im sure there's a few but that's a bit like seed saving from the dollar racks of veg seed at Canadian Tire.

You must have been burned good to carry this grudge against the black market. What's the story there?