Legal grow states are not setting good examples!!!

[Jon 54]

With the growers and dispensaries going way over the top with TV Series and such the real reason for MMJ is being left by the way-side. All the attention that they have brought to medical marijuana is a shame. They aren't a Pharmacy for the sick but more like a Wal-Mart for the get high and party crowd just in it for there ego and to get rich quick. The General Public who vote in the laws are getting pissed off and plain scared when they switch on there TV's at night and get a dose of Harborside greed machine and on the other channel the trials and tribulation's of the Colorado gang who have admitted there just in it for the money. These greedy assholes are really helping to put back the medical movement ten or so years, just what the DEA wants. Can a medical patient on Social Security afford 70 bucks for a eigth?? I can't!!! All you see on these programs is manicured hydro weed sure it looks good but that's not what Prop 215 was written and passed for. What's wrong with growing six to twelve plants that are within the law . I'm a MMJ smoker and I know that I can't possibly smoke all the buds that twelve properly grown plants can provide within a year. The GREED MUST STOP!!!!! Jon 54

 

[beanja]

The greed will stop when the black market stops, its prohibition that supports the greed..

 

[rives]

Stasis - No, I'm not being deliberately provocative. Part of the new regs in Nevada county call for a copy of the rec or card to be displayed so that enforcement officers can see it without having to enter a building. "(9) Wherever Medical Marijuana is grown, a copy of a current and valid, State-issued Medical Marijuana identification card or physician recommendation must be displayed in such a manner as to allow law enforcement officers to easily see the card without having to enter any building of any type." (emphasis mine) from here. It seems to me that if it is posted so that the "inspector" doesn't have to enter a building to see it, it's probably going to be visible to other people that don't have to enter the building.

Incidentally, I'm not the OP, and my outrage isn't feigned. The people who are taking the hit on this are the least responsible and the most affected. It should come as no surprise to anyone who ever attended school or went through adolescence that when you take advantage of a loophole in the rules, the rules get changed.

Outdoor guerilla grows are a huge problem, but not to "medical" laws. Everyone knows they are illegal. The problem comes from people watching their neighborhoods deteriorate under the loose interpretation of the laws, and their subsequent insistence that the law gets changed.

 

[MIway]

Rives... I get that there are those that take things to the extreme, those that cut corners, those that try to work the system... Not unique to mmj really. This is pretty much evrrywhere... In american society and most of the world. Arguably, its within human nature. No set of laws can/will prevent this, ya know? This is why I suggest its a systems problem, not just the mmj market.

U'v got to admit the drug the laws, esp relating to mj, is just disfunctional... Doesn't address any of the real problems people suffer w its abuse. And it utterly fails at discouraging use. We all know the real net effects of the policies... And most any reasonable adult, even those enforcng these laws, feels there has to be a better way.

I just don't get why one would have a problem w using any guise to alter this c ondition. Is it worse to be persecuted under the existing drug laws... Or to hide under the medical laws? Of course people should rush away from jail... And to those laws.

Most of the people in the program... Aren't really there to treat a grave or debilitating med condition. They are there to access the recreational marijuana market... More safely. And these people... No reason they can't pay... And even subsidize for those that are indigent and really sick.

But why fault any of them for taking protection under the mmj laws? Or recognize they are what the entire industry (economy) is based upon?

W/o these people... In these mmj programs... All we would have is the existing drug laws and criminality of the weed... And that's where the really sick people would have to predominately turn. A net loss from where we are at now.

And for that reason.... Docs should get paid well for their rec's... It should be profitable for em... And they should also have those thatcan pay to subsidize for those that can't... They are the gatekeepers to a safer place. I hope they sign up as many people as is possible... Sick or not. Peace

 

[BudderBreakfast]

rives. are you from california? were you here voting in 1996? how would you know what the majority of the people who voted for it were intending? maybe that just your interpretation? its a bit too late complaining about something you can do absolutely nothing about. id love to hear what your proposal is? throw everyone in jail that is not "sick" enough to your standard and everyone that has a couple extra plants in their backyard? also all pot is MEDICAL if its ORGANIC. if its sprayed with a bunch of chemicals how can you call it medical? but if its organic, its medical effects are inevitable and even recreational use is medical use, alot of times self medicating for mental health issues, even just a little bit of anxiety or stress relief is still medically beneficial so it would be medical use. you are not the god to determine who is sick enough to use mr rives and that is why ca law is worded the way it is to make room for all to choose pills or cannabis.

 

[zymos]

Every state that is not yet medical but looking at it says the same thing " we just don't want to wind up like California".
So before some of you get all defensive about the OP and some other comments here ( too late, you already did), chew on that, and wonder how people's attitudes and behavior may have effected access to mmj or criminal penalties for those who happen to not live in CA.

 

[stasis]

Part of the new regs in Nevada county call for a copy of the rec or card to be displayed so that enforcement officers can see it without having to enter a building. "(9) Wherever Medical Marijuana is grown, a copy of a current and valid, State-issued Medical Marijuana identification card or physician recommendation must be displayed in such a manner as to allow law enforcement officers to easily see the card without having to enter any building of any type." (emphasis mine) from here. It seems to me that if it is posted so that the "inspector" doesn't have to enter a building to see it, it's probably going to be visible to other people that don't have to enter the building.

Incidentally, I'm not the OP, and my outrage isn't feigned. The people who are taking the hit on this are the least responsible and the most affected. It should come as no surprise to anyone who ever attended school or went through adolescence that when you take advantage of a loophole in the rules, the rules get changed.

Outdoor guerilla grows are a huge problem, but not to "medical" laws. Everyone knows they are illegal. The problem comes from people watching their neighborhoods deteriorate under the loose interpretation of the laws, and their subsequent insistence that the law gets changed.

If not the OP, definitely the most vociferous one on this thread, spewing incomplete knowledge.

So many flaws in your reasoning, that I cannot even begin to address....

Again I state, It has always been such in CA regarding posting paperwork at the site.. It is an 8,5 x 11 piece of paper, Not a billboard... No one sees it..

And wouldn;t you want it so LEO does NOT have to enter the grow....>? I would prefer that.

As for the Guerilla Grows - They ARE a huge reason that many are anti-Pot..... At least in the Emerald Triangle... That is where we are primariuly discussing.

Speaking of taking advantage of the loopholes... Everyone seems to do that, but your primary bitch seems to be with clubs charging 70 an eighth.... No dispensaries in NorCal or SF do that. SO, I am not sure what your problem is..

But, no one likes the high charges at the clubs..

More incomplete information and prejudices, - now debunked.

 

[stasis]

Every state that is not yet medical but looking at it says the same thing " we just don't want to wind up like California".
So before some of you get all defensive about the OP and some other comments here ( too late, you already did), chew on that, and wonder how people's attitudes and behavior may have effected access to mmj or criminal penalties for those who happen to not live in CA.

CA is not perfect - but no place is..

It is just an excuse for politicians to be outraged - they are reaching for straws to avoid beiong courageous and making changes to become an MMJ state... A MAJORITY VOTED THIS IN, it is NOT the pols right to moralize - just execute the laws that the people want. It is Law Enforcement, not Law creation.

The crap that you see on TV and in newspapers is Pot a ganda that you too fell for... Get your head out of the Boob Tube and MSNBC...

 

[zymos]

The crap that you see on TV and in newspapers is Pot a ganda that you too fell for... Get your head out of the Boob Tube and MSNBC...

If that was directed at me, I'll kindly ask you not to assume you know anything about me. I've never watched MSNBC in my life, and I don't believe I am picking up very much "pot a Ganda" watching Game of Thrones and 30 Rock.

I do live in a state with mmj, and a piss-poor program it is. I've heard legislators in my state and many others speak about concerns about the situation in CA and wanting to avoid any semblance of that scene.
People's perceptions of mmj in CA are not based on propaganda for the most part but on reality.

That's a simple fact, whether you get all defensive about it or not...

 

[stasis]

Sorry if I put incorrect words into your Keyboard...

But, I still must differ on the following precept, that you seem to pose UNQUESTIONABLY...:

"" People's perceptions of mmj in CA are not based on propaganda for the most part but on reality.""

Not So. Period. Maybe not you, but most folks that complain are getting their information from TV and Biased News publications.. Of which there are many.

The Cartels in the Forests are a problem that is being addressed. We all agree on that we do not want our Forests poisoned, or danger zones..

As for the rest...? Sounds like people are upset at Harbourside and other dispensaries.. Not so bad a tack, as many people in the "Industry" agree...

The only 70 Dollar eighths cited above are for people who have that sort of cash to dispense, for high-quality strains... For people who can;t grow for themselves.. While I dislike paying 70 for an eighth personally (and would not buy it) it is the American Way, and can;t be stopped.

I would rather continue this discussion with people who have DIRECT experience with California, Other Medical States and the Dispensary system. But, Good on ya.....

We all have opiniions...

I am going Surfing now, in My Medical State..Some of the biggest reasons I live here. Great Weather and Paddling out into the Ocean to catch a few.. Thank you and have a good day, from the Triangle.....

 

[JazzMatazz]

From an outsiders perspective, i dont know what the fuss is about. To the people who feel leisure smokers are messing everything up: do or did you ever seriously believe that there are so many illnesses that can only be cured with weed that you cant be specific about the illnesses? (since the prop isnt specific). And that there are so many people with such illnesses, as to warrant the call for a mass legalisation? This prop was made specifically to get leisure weed widely available under the false pretense of its medicinal value.

The whole us legalisation is based upon this lie. And now everyone with head aches is saying they are chronic and he needs chronic to cure it.
But that was clear from the start. 95% here just like to get high, 3% got high too often and say its spiritual too them. And 2% really have a serious illnesses. For those 2%, Weed is mostly not the best drug for your illnesses. Its the cheapest maybe, but not the best.
Its mainly for recreation.

But i think most voters knew that anyway and did the right thing: lure badly informed politicians with false pretenses. And now the 2% who "need" it for their illnesses are saying its unfair that so many people are allowed to do it? I dont get your problem. Your only allowed to use it for your medicinal purpose because so many recreational users voted. And they probably never would have voted, if there wasnt anything in it for them.

 

[supermanlives]

i wanted to put my rec in my front window. deceided its not worth it. got one on grow door and behind my front door and copy in glove compartment in car out front. the cats out of the bag in cali. and everyone here knows the med mj scene is a joke. but hell the more smokers the better.

 

[supermanlives]

and my rec is really specific. straight from the states website i believe. health and human resources 12 listed conditions /requirements

 

[rives]

I just don't get why one would have a problem w using any guise to alter this c ondition. Is it worse to be persecuted under the existing drug laws... Or to hide under the medical laws? Of course people should rush away from jail... And to those laws.

MIway, I have two problems with people masquerading under the medical provisions. First is the inevitable blowback on the people for whom it was originally intended, with the absolute certainty that the laws will be changed to make it more difficult for all. Second is the fact that we were very, very close to recreational legalization, but through greed and apathy we lost out on a very close vote because people were happy to hide behind the skirts of the truly ill.

Budder, yes, I am from California and was voting long before '96. I remember quite clearly the debates regarding mmj as well as working toward getting it passed. No, the law is not "worded the way that it is to make room for all". That never would have flown, and the first six words in the legislation clearly stipulate for whom it was intended - "seriously ill Californians". Read it here.

If not the OP, definitely the most vociferous one on this thread, spewing incomplete knowledge.

So many flaws in your reasoning, that I cannot even begin to address....

Again I state, It has always been such in CA regarding posting paperwork at the site.. It is an 8,5 x 11 piece of paper, Not a billboard... No one sees it..

And wouldn;t you want it so LEO does NOT have to enter the grow....>? I would prefer that.

As for the Guerilla Grows - They ARE a huge reason that many are anti-Pot..... At least in the Emerald Triangle... That is where we are primariuly discussing.

Speaking of taking advantage of the loopholes... Everyone seems to do that, but your primary bitch seems to be with clubs charging 70 an eighth.... No dispensaries in NorCal or SF do that. SO, I am not sure what your problem is..

But, no one likes the high charges at the clubs..

More incomplete information and prejudices, - now debunked.

Stasis, you appear to have reading comprehension issues. I provided the link to the Nevada County ordinance - it very clearly states that the posting be visible without entering any building, which in no way resembles the current recommendations. If it's visible to an inspector from outside of any building, why do you think other people will be unable to see it?

Large guerrilla grows aren't legal by any interpretation. The topic of discussion, including the title of the thread, is legal.

The subject that you have decided is my "primary bitch" hasn't even been mentioned by me in this thread.

Incomplete information? I've provided links and quotes for both pieces of legislation that I have discussed.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Every state that is not yet medical but looking at it says the same thing " we just don't want to wind up like California".
So before some of you get all defensive about the OP and some other comments here ( too late, you already did), chew on that, and wonder how people's attitudes and behavior may have effected access to mmj or criminal penalties for those who happen to not live in CA.

I've already learned that people from other states already have their own ideas and attitudes toward people from California. Many of them not exactly kind, either. Most often, I find they believe that everyone in California is like Hollywood. Now, if that's not an example of folks getting the wrong idea about a place based on their 'experience' through media, I don't know what is.

Also, the green rush has been made significantly worse by those moving here from other states with the sole intention of making their living growing weed. Is that California's (the land of milk, honey and almonds) fault? No more so than it's Nevada's fault that so many businesses move out of this state due to our taxes and other restrictions.

If that was directed at me, I'll kindly ask you not to assume you know anything about me. I've never watched MSNBC in my life, and I don't believe I am picking up very much "pot a Ganda" watching Game of Thrones and 30 Rock.

I do live in a state with mmj, and a piss-poor program it is. I've heard legislators in my state and many others speak about concerns about the situation in CA and wanting to avoid any semblance of that scene.
People's perceptions of mmj in CA are not based on propaganda for the most part but on reality.

That's a simple fact, whether you get all defensive about it or not...

I disagree. My own experience with others from out of state is that they think everyone in California lives at the beach and surfs. We all live in Hollywood, or near Hollywood, or else there's the Bay area. They know that we grow food, but know nothing of how truly expansive our farming regions are, nor are they aware of the fact that serious rednecks live in this area. I mean, how else is this dichotomy of MMJ and Proposition 8 explained..? Misperceptions abound going in all directions.

Oh yeah, I LOVE Game of Thrones! It's England, Normandy and the Vikings, all recreated in a fantasy world with real dragons.

From an outsiders perspective, i dont know what the fuss is about. To the people who feel leisure smokers are messing everything up: do or did you ever seriously believe that there are so many illnesses that can only be cured with weed that you cant be specific about the illnesses? (since the prop isnt specific). And that there are so many people with such illnesses, as to warrant the call for a mass legalisation? This prop was made specifically to get leisure weed widely available under the false pretense of its medicinal value.

The whole us legalisation is based upon this lie. And now everyone with head aches is saying they are chronic and he needs chronic to cure it.

I don't know anyone who says weed cures their problem (an exception is my son and his issues with appetite, or lack thereof, if he's not smoking anything, and also his anxiety is greatly diminished). The real issue for me and the people I represent is the idea of being able to choose their treatment. I don't want opiates in my system, they constipate me, give me headaches, nausea, and dizziness--just make me feel like CRAP. I can't get anything done on those opiates, but I *can* get a lot done if I'm 'high' (I use that term loosely now).

I have this same issue with our food supply and how the government is taking control of it away from us. I am taking control back by growing as much of my own food as I can and patronizing those who are growing in a manner I prefer, and on a smaller scale, than that which one typically finds available in the markets.

I also personally don't believe it's the casual users who are "messing things up" for us. I think it's federal pressure that's really behind what's happening lately, because the pharmaceutical industry is now leveling their targets onto what has the potential to become a very profitable venture in working with cannabinoids. I've found one paper that discusses this profit potential at some depth.

What happens from there? Feds apply pressure locally, locals cave, especially if they're locals who didn't like marijuana in the first place. But in MANY instances these local municipalities are doing what they wish irrespective of what their constituents actually want. This is true in my county and Nevada county.

But that was clear from the start. 95% here just like to get high, 3% got high too often and say its spiritual too them. And 2% really have a serious illnesses. For those 2%, Weed is mostly not the best drug for your illnesses. Its the cheapest maybe, but not the best.
Its mainly for recreation.

Interesting set of numbers you've got going on there. Fascinating, in fact. Got anything to back them up?

I'll cop to liking to get high. And I bought on the black market for decades, hid what I did, and actually didn't believe until several years ago that cannabis had any medical qualities. It took a friend with cancer and the discussion he had with me, and the experiment he had me do (post-injury, rather debilitating injury for me) so I could prove to myself that it wasn't just about getting high.

But I can't possibly come up with percentages or numbers of people who are only doing this to get high and receive absolutely no other benefits. Even when I was using in a manner that I thought was mostly recreational, I gained mental relief that was significant in its effects where my children were concerned. Mommy had some very dark days, and smoking just a little really helped.
(Fortunately I no longer seem to suffer untriggered depressive events.)

But i think most voters knew that anyway and did the right thing: lure badly informed politicians with false pretenses. And now the 2% who "need" it for their illnesses are saying its unfair that so many people are allowed to do it? I dont get your problem. Your only allowed to use it for your medicinal purpose because so many recreational users voted. And they probably never would have voted, if there wasnt anything in it for them.

That makes sense. I voted in favor for a few reasons, not the least of which was that I saw it as a step in the right direction-->decriminalization-->full legalization.

 

[trichrider]

...darn, I had a link to a court case (cannot now find it) that upheld a citizens contention that since they had a serious debilitating disease (degenerative) that they needn't a renewal....upheld in Calis appellate courts.

imo the backlash isn't from our abuses, but from concerted efforts the opposition puts forth.

lots of money involved on both sides of the issue.

it's still us against them...isn't it?

 

[headband 707]

Anybody else in the states feel like the few states that have regulated marijuana are abusing it and putting off bad views of us as smokers? What im talking about is the people that are growing way more than there allowed and then selling it, having huge smoke outs in broad daylight, Giving anybody in the world a medical card, and the list goes on and on...

I just feel like there representing all of us in a negative manner. And to all the legal growers and honest patients, keep up the good fight!!

Wow I really don't like ppl that think like this.. It's ppl that think like you that has put cannabis where it is today,,

1. What business is it of yours what anyone in this life does but you?
2. Cannabis is not made for just the sick so get a grip.. it's for everyone, Just because you have a card doesn't mean shit!!!
3.My pain doesn't wait for you to feel good about where I smoke if you don't like where I smoke then by all means look away.
4.Only thing negative is the shit your spewing on here.. You sound like my grandma..
5. Honest ,Legal Growers and Patients? So everyone else is what? Scum?? Seriously you need to knock all this type of shit off and try to be more forgiving and accepting of the ppl around you ,, You would have more fun headband 707

 

[headband 707]

From an outsiders perspective, i dont know what the fuss is about. To the people who feel leisure smokers are messing everything up: do or did you ever seriously believe that there are so many illnesses that can only be cured with weed that you cant be specific about the illnesses? (since the prop isnt specific). And that there are so many people with such illnesses, as to warrant the call for a mass legalisation? This prop was made specifically to get leisure weed widely available under the false pretense of its medicinal value.

The whole us legalisation is based upon this lie. And now everyone with head aches is saying they are chronic and he needs chronic to cure it.
But that was clear from the start. 95% here just like to get high, 3% got high too often and say its spiritual too them. And 2% really have a serious illnesses. For those 2%, Weed is mostly not the best drug for your illnesses. Its the cheapest maybe, but not the best.
Its mainly for recreation.

But i think most voters knew that anyway and did the right thing: lure badly informed politicians with false pretenses. And now the 2% who "need" it for their illnesses are saying its unfair that so many people are allowed to do it? I dont get your problem. Your only allowed to use it for your medicinal purpose because so many recreational users voted. And they probably never would have voted, if there wasnt anything in it for them.

Yeah I too would like to know where you got these numbers lol,, They sound like numbers being put out by either COPS or our great Govs lol.. SO untrue it's sad that ppl would even type this shit..

Although there are many ppl that love cannabis as a receational drug there are also many that use it for medicine and in Canada and the US it being illegal and all no one really knows what the true number of ppl are that use cannabis as medicine.Headband 707

 

[kmk420kali]

No, the law is not "worded the way that it is to make room for all". That never would have flown, and the first six words in the legislation clearly stipulate for whom it was intended - "seriously ill Californians". Read it here.

Rives, altho we are on the same side of many debates, especially the Prop 19 Fiasco...I have to strongly disagree with you on this one--

(A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.

The first 6 words, do not negate, nor do they conflict with the last 9--
It is a fact that cannabis helps with a wide variety of issues...some of them, ppl don't even realize they are "Medicating"!!
Getting high has always made me feel good...and when I first started, things like "ADD" didn't even exist-- So I was unknowingly Medicating...even tho I thought I was just Getting High!!
Same way with the studies that say that ppl who smoke cannabis have a higher rate of Schizophrenia...but in reality, ppl with Schizophrenia generally find relief by smoking cannabis...even tho they may be undiagnosed, and do not even realize they are Medicating--
And as far as "making us all look bad"...I have to bring up the point that even with the abuse of the system going on, there is still 75% of the American Public that support it!!
So yes, I will have to agree, that the Fed's "Potaganda", is in fact incorrect, and the vast majority of not only Californians...but of Americans...still support MMJ!!

 

[JazzMatazz]

Obviously the numbers were exagerations which i picked. The point is that "im having a bad/stressful day so ill boost my serotonin a bit" is not medicating. Aleast the situation doesnt require weed.
But i understand fully that if you need cannabis, then recent developments are worrying for you.
Maybe if you see it this way it helps: unless they close down all dispensaries comlpletely, no matter what they change it will still be better than before the prop.
And the prop wasnt carried by serious medicators alone.